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[PLTuck]

I agree to an extent, but I think the no alcohol policy would be absolutely fine if implemented from the start. Even them alowing alcohol is quite a concession. It's a football tournament not a drinking tournament, and if you think that the UK would edit it's rule of law, to be tolerent to countries where the consumption of Khat, Coca leaves, hallucinogenics and Weed are all part of their culture you'd be naive. If people need alcohol to enjoy a holiday or a world cup than frankly they need help. The reason FIFA has pushed to allow the consumption of alcohol is to do with money not supporting fans.

Having said that, you can't just change things up in the last minute like this. Similarly, FIFA promised affordable alcohol options, that hasn't happened. This means a lot of fans are comming into the country with misleading information. That isnt okay.

But, it is important that this Alcohol thing doesn't become the primary focus. The focus ought to be LGBTQ, women and worker rights.

To follow up, would it be a good idea that when a country bids for a WC, they bid for both the womens and the mens? They could host the women's tournament the year before the men's tournament. Any country not willing to do that wouldn't bother with a bid.

 

[easley91]

I agree to an extent, but I think the no alcohol policy would be absolutely fine if implemented from the start. Even them alowing alcohol is quite a concession. It's a football tournament not a drinking tournament, and if you think that the UK would edit it's rule of law, to be tolerent to countries where the consumption of Khat, Coca leaves, hallucinogenics and Weed are all part of their culture you'd be naive. If people need alcohol to enjoy a holiday or a world cup than frankly they need help. The reason FIFA has pushed to allow the consumption of alcohol is to do with money not supporting fans.

Having said that, you can't just change things up in the last minute like this. Similarly, FIFA promised affordable alcohol options, that hasn't happened. This means a lot of fans are comming into the country with misleading information. That isnt okay.

But, it is important that this Alcohol thing doesn't become the primary focus. The focus ought to be LGBTQ, women and worker rights.

This is my stance on it. If alcohol is your primary reason for going then it's time to think about your love of alcohol and reliance on it.

It's mad how many actually think they need it to have a fun time. But that's another discussion entirely.

 

[wadewill]

To follow up, would it be a good idea that when a country bids for a WC, they bid for both the womens and the mens? They could host the women's tournament the year before the men's tournament. Any country not willing to do that wouldn't bother with a bid.

Rugby League did Mens, Womens and Wheelchair didnt they, great idea.

 

[PLTuck]

This is my stance on it. If alcohol is your primary reason for going then it's time to think about your love of alcohol and reliance on it.

It's mad how many actually think they need it to have a fun time. But that's another discussion entirely.

For me personally I just wouldn't go there, ever. I'm a really light drinker. I have a beer sometimes when watching spurs, or sometimes when having a movie night. But that's it. One beer. BUT, that choice is mine alone.

It's shit for all the people who are going who want to responsibly enjoy a beer or glass of wine, but imo there was always a risk something like this would happen. As @C0YS rightly says, hopefully this is a bit of a storm in a teacup and the real issues such as universal rights come to the fore again quickly.

 

[easley91]

For me personally I just wouldn't go there, ever. I'm a really light drinker. I have a beer sometimes when watching spurs, or sometimes when having a movie night. But that's it. One beer. BUT, that choice is mine alone.

It's shit for all the people who are going who want to responsibly enjoy a beer or glass of wine, but imo there was always a risk something like this would happen. As @C0YS rightly says, hopefully this is a bit of a storm in a teacup and the real issues such as universal rights come to the fore again quickly.

Was just reading that it's only at the stadiums. Fan zones and specific areas will still have alcohol. The only thing about this that would annoy me is the timing of the decision, but as someone who only really drinks at Christmas or very special occasions I'm okay with it. Drunk fans at grounds around me and spilling drinks down my back ruins the experience.

Honestly if you can't go to a game or event without a drink then you should have a think on why you depend on alcohol to have "fun". And as someone who doesn't drink I often get "why you not drinking?". Because I want to be sober and remember the event I was at.

Again this could be a different thread as it covers more than just the Qatar World Cup for me.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

This tournament deserves to be a massive clusterfuck and FIFA deserve every bit of flak they get as a result.

Who could have imagined a bid built on the lie of being hosted in the desert in summer, would have lied about serving beer….

Edit: “ The ban on alcohol consumption appeared to apply only to fans at stadiums. Beer and other drinks, including an official FIFA Champagne and an array of sommelier-selected wines, will still be available in luxury suites reserved for FIFA officials and other wealthy guests.”

Let them eat cake

 

[easley91]

Who could have imagined a bid built on the lie of being hosted in the desert in summer, would have lied about serving beer….

They are still serving beer, just not at the grounds themselves.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

They are still serving beer, just not at the grounds themselves.

Right - but they lied about what they would do…

 

[easley91]

Right - but they lied about what they would do…

I'm not arguing that and the last minute decision is indeed stupid, but it's not like you can't get alcohol at all anywhere else during the tournament.*










*at time of writing.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

What's the point of fighting other nationalities when you're stone cold sober. Doesn't that take all the fun out of it?


/sarcasm

 

[EastUpperDK82]

They are still serving beer, just not at the grounds themselves.

They are serving beer at the stadiums.. ?‍?

According to the New York Times, however, the new guidelines do not apply to certain people. The media writes that beer with alcohol will still be served in the luxury suites reserved for FIFA officials and other rich guests.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

They are serving beer at the stadiums.. ?‍?

According to the New York Times, however, the new guidelines do not apply to certain people. The media writes that beer with alcohol will still be served in the luxury suites reserved for FIFA officials and other rich guests.

i am absolutely shocked i must say... rich and powerful people being treated differently.

 

[DanoCanuck]

Funny how FIFA made Brazil change their law before 2014 but bend over backwards for a sandpit country. Money talks.

 

[tototoner]

Absolute scenes

is Memphis injured ?

 

[PLTuck]

Beer ban, Beckham and a vagina stadium: a World Cup in inglorious technicolor | Marina Hyde

In some ways it’s a shame not to be in Qatar to see how this all pans out … in others, not so much

www.theguardian.com

 

[aliyid]

Love a nice chart. Here’s my predictions (going by my history on this side means the exact opposite will now happen)

 

[sly1]

I agree to an extent, but I think the no alcohol policy would be absolutely fine if implemented from the start. Even them alowing alcohol is quite a concession. It's a football tournament not a drinking tournament, and if you think that the UK would edit it's rule of law, to be tolerent to countries where the consumption of Khat, Coca leaves, hallucinogenics and Weed are all part of their culture you'd be naive. If people need alcohol to enjoy a holiday or a world cup than frankly they need help. The reason FIFA has pushed to allow the consumption of alcohol is to do with money not supporting fans.

Having said that, you can't just change things up in the last minute like this. Similarly, FIFA promised affordable alcohol options, that hasn't happened. This means a lot of fans are comming into the country with misleading information. That isnt okay.

But, it is important that this Alcohol thing doesn't become the primary focus. The focus ought to be LGBTQ, women and worker rights.

It would be pretty weird if the UK paid millions of pounds to bribe a corrupt organization for the right to host an event that we had no cultural connection to and in which consumption of khat, coca leaves etc. was a longstanding culturally ingrained aspect...and then banned it.

 

[McFlash]

It would be pretty weird if the UK paid millions of pounds to bribe a corrupt organization for the right to host an event that we had no cultural connection to and in which consumption of khat, coca leaves etc. was a longstanding culturally ingrained aspect...and then banned it.

I think we should bid for either the camel racing, or the falconry world cups.
Then dress loads of football fans up as fake supporters, while getting pissed, snogging in public and throwing plastic chairs around.

Let's fuck with them and their sports and culture. ?

 

[CanadaSpurs]

I’m less concerned about a last minute alcohol ban than about what other promises they plan to break at the last minute.

 

[Locotoro]

Just seen the comments from Hugo, really disappointed in him. With his platform I would have expected more.

Genuine question here....

When foreigners, migrants and refugees come to our wonderful country and start doing silly things are that are against our laws and contrary to our customs do we not say "when you come to this country you should follow our laws".

Whilst I believe that Qatar has a repulsive value on human life and equality are we not huge hypocrites if we support the notion of going there and contradicting their laws and customs, however barbaric they may be?

Hugo has said repeatedly protest FIFA for choosing Qatar and allowing themselves to be bribed and corrupted. Very little you can do to change a society just because we think we're better.