Polarised Community

[Larryjanta]

First win on the board and we'll all perk up - we don't get called fickle for nowt

 

[hellava_tough]

In terms of 'meltdown' I'm pretty sure it's been worse on here, in the past

If anything people are actually a little subdued because they're jaded, from the last 3 years

 

[eddiebailey]

I guess my point was that you should be able to post your opinion and that people should be allowed to disagree with it.

I just wish they could disagree in a non-combative, 'you're a wrong, stupid idiot' sort-of-way that seems so prevalent on here.

The problem is that there are quite a lot of stupid idiots on here...

 

[Sevens]

I've noticed this upward curve throughout online social media. Rather than tackle points directly people tend to deflect and/or try and switch the focus on something else. E.g. a common one is someone making a negative point about Arsenal and then an Arsenal fan retorts back with a comment on trophies rather than dealing with the original point made. Or goes back 30 years to a non-related incident regarding the other club.

This style of debating causing more and more conflict between posters.

The online Spurs fan base has been heavily split since Redknapp IMO.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

I some times feel we have people from other clubs pretending to be spurs fans on here and just starting arguments for laughs. There seems to be very little shared "community spirit" behind the team. At the first sign of things not going our way the knives come out.

I post on another general football forum and it's actually better chatting on there when we lose (even with the fans we have lost too) than here. They just have a bit of banter and then move on. Here, one mistake by one defender to concede a last minute equaliser sparks a whole multi page rant about how the club is rotten to the core from the dinner ladies to the chairman.

It's very weird.

I like looking at or posting on general football forums too. It is quite refreshing and you get a different unbiased view on things.

For example, it's interesting to note other fans opinion of Spurs games and players.

Even reading the press to get a neutral view is always interesting. You let your emotion get the better of you when you watch Spurs. For example, I thought Ben Davies had a poor game against Leicester, but Sky Sports News gave him a high match rating and thinking about it, he made an early mistake that frustrated me and I spent the whole game looking for every little error that he made and 'remembering it' and after the match I was convinced he was shit, when he probably wasn't.

 

[shelfmonkey]

You wanna be in my clique ? A crate of Becks and you are in.

Then it will be the two of us against the rest of the bastards.

Brain: It's you and me against the world Pinky.

Pinky: Right Brain! When do we attack?

 

[guiltyparty]

I've noticed this upward curve throughout online social media. Rather than tackle points directly people tend to deflect and/or try and switch the focus on something else. E.g. a common one is someone making a negative point about Arsenal and then an Arsenal fan retorts back with a comment on trophies rather than dealing with the original point made. Or goes back 30 years to a non-related incident regarding the other club.

This style of debating causing more and more conflict between posters.

The online Spurs fan base has been heavily split since Redknapp IMO.

I'd say it was since champions league. Getting in the champions league fundamentally changes the mindset of many fans. It seems to for all teams, to be fair (look at Arsenal's lot's constant annoyance despite regular entry). But it brings a sense of entitlement which just shouldn't be there for Spurs, as it is demonstrably unsustainable. That is the crux of the matter: champions league being a highly improbable fillip for a club our size rather than the norm, and the arguments over how this can be achieved, while simultaneously arguing over our style of football. For the 6th financially able (by quite a large margin) team's fan base to demand not only 4th but to achieve it in a subjective "entertaining" style is about as entitled as you can get.

But I also think it's a wider malaise of football as product. Rising prices and an increase of part-time fans, as football has become ubiquitous, drives a 'I pays my money' attitude. We pay sky high prices for the same almost-success every year and for some that's mind boggling. I can understand that, but it's representative more of life than Spurs. People want instant gratification for their money in 2015 or they'll go watch something else. That's fine but to suggest Spurs aren't in the best continued phase of consolidated league success/European entry for decades IS wrong.

I feel like the OP said - peeved at some things, excited by others. For me that is what supporting Spurs is like, always has been. Show me a club that isn't like that - Man City are on paper hands down the best team in the league and my City supporting mates were on suicide watch last year.

 

[dagraham]

Agree and I find it strange that people can be so affected by the opinion of others on an internet forum. There is definitely an atmosphere of negative opinions will not be tolerated. Of course, those eternal pessimists can become annoying, but not nearly as annoying as those trying to curtail what other people actually think.

As the OP said, everyone on here has the same goal and aspiration : for Spurs to be successful on the pitch and win football matches and trophies.

I think it has become worse because for a lot of people the last vestige of hope that we can become anything other than also rans is fading away. Some people just have a hard time digesting that which causes heated reactions in their posts.

Obviously there are some right muppets on internet forums/social media, but they lie on both sides of the divide.

 

[CowInAComa]

So, I'm a long time reader and very occasional past poster on this forum.

Every year, I notice there are distinct positive/negative camps as to our outlook for the season. There are always those who say we're up shit creek, we need better players, a better manager, this or that better tactic etc etc and then there are those who tell them to calm down, season has just started, there are plenty of positives etc etc.

But THIS year.....!!!! I don't know if it's just me but every thread I read seems to descent into these petty infights between those two aforementioned sets of groups.

I think it's fine for people to moan at Spurs (personally, I think we've been pretty dull since Poch arrived and I do want more) and so I'm also so tired of so many people instantly hitting the wtf button and accusing them of hysteria and of being whinging little turds who don't remember how bad it used to be.

I also think it's fine for people to be optimistic about our chances (personally, I think we've come a long way in ten years and are heading in the right direction; we have a good young squad with potential and are punching at about our weight even if I do want more) and so I'm also so tired of all the people hitting the wtf button and accusing them of being delusional and of being hopeful little turds, unaware of how screwed we are.

It's boring. Stop arguing. Let people have their own opinions. Debate differences of opinion - don't rubbish them. If you really can't bear someone's point then ignore it - not giving it air is more effective than sliding into a sad little slanging match. We're on the same team!!!

I'm not really sure what my point is other than I don't enjoy perusing this site as much as I used to. I'm not even sure if the site has changed that much - maybe I'm just getting older. I'm not even sure why I'm posting this - I think it's because I love Spurs but I'm not sure how this will help them next Saturday.

*Sighs*

Stop whining. The current balance of opinion is fine. It's going to take time to bed in.

 

[CowInAComa]

Sky and money have broken football. Every season a couple of clubs have content fans because their expectations are temporarily being met. Other than that everyone is unhappy with the state of their club.

 

[dagraham]

Sky and money have broken football. Every season a couple of clubs have content fans because there expectations are temporarily being met. Other than that everyone is unhappy with the state of their club.

Agree, but I'd add the CL to that list too.

 

[CowInAComa]

Agree, but I'd add the CL to that list too.

Actually it's mostly CL to blame, you're right

 

[IGSpur]

I'd say it was since champions league. Getting in the champions league fundamentally changes the mindset of many fans. It seems to for all teams, to be fair (look at Arsenal's lot's constant annoyance despite regular entry). But it brings a sense of entitlement which just shouldn't be there for Spurs, as it is demonstrably unsustainable. That is the crux of the matter: champions league being a highly improbable fillip for a club our size rather than the norm, and the arguments over how this can be achieved, while simultaneously arguing over our style of football. For the 6th financially able (by quite a large margin) team's fan base to demand not only 4th but to achieve it in a subjective "entertaining" style is about as entitled as you can get.

But I also think it's a wider malaise of football as product. Rising prices and an increase of part-time fans, as football has become ubiquitous, drives a 'I pays my money' attitude. We pay sky high prices for the same almost-success every year and for some that's mind boggling. I can understand that, but it's representative more of life than Spurs. People want instant gratification for their money in 2015 or they'll go watch something else. That's fine but to suggest Spurs aren't in the best continued phase of consolidated league success/European entry for decades IS wrong.

I feel like the OP said - peeved at some things, excited by others. For me that is what supporting Spurs is like, always has been. Show me a club that isn't like that - Man City are on paper hands down the best team in the league and my City supporting mates were on suicide watch last year.

Perfect. We could spend +50m net in the transfer window again and still be behind 4/5 other teams who out spend us or pay higher wages and we should still not expect 4th Yet when we don't achieve it while paying for a stadium people will moan about everyone from the kit man to Levy for not getting it. There are 5 other teams in better placed positions to get it and sustain it, yet we flip at getting 5th and losing one game in 3 at the start of a season. Like you said to expect all this playing swashbuckling football is just ridiculous expectations.

There are things I think Poch/Levy could do better, but the constant moaning and slagging off is boring. We could sack Poch and there will still be a disagreement over the next manager and people will moan about him and ask to bring in the one they want and the cycle is repeated. Even if we got a sugar daddy in there is no guarantee of success the way things are.

 

[HildoSpur]

It can be frustrating sometimes but it is human nature I guess. We could buy a striker tomorrow and we will all be delighted but the day after that it will all be forgotten and we will then start moaning and tearing our hair out that we haven't signed a CM. If we buy a CM then some people will say either it's the wrong type of player or not the player THEY wanted or even if we signed players they wanted - the first moment they make a mistake or have a dip in form they are hung out to dry.

 

[HappySpur]

Nah. Isn't about a striker. There's a nastier group of folks here than there used to be. Don't know if we've just gotten the castoffs from the other sites or if its just noobs. The latter worries me, because you don't pick your club. Your club picks you and our clubs seems to want the most undesirable of people. But whoever and wherever they source, they are very nasty and they bring out the worst in the old guard.

I think we need to do away with ITK section. That's why they come. The fact that they can create toxic area of hate is why they stay.

Remember when we used to tell jokes. Nobody dares to anymore

 

[eddiebailey]

On matchdays it seems more like a bi-polarised community.

 

[rich75]

So, I'm a long time reader and very occasional past poster on this forum.

Every year, I notice there are distinct positive/negative camps as to our outlook for the season. There are always those who say we're up shit creek, we need better players, a better manager, this or that better tactic etc etc and then there are those who tell them to calm down, season has just started, there are plenty of positives etc etc.

But THIS year.....!!!! I don't know if it's just me but every thread I read seems to descent into these petty infights between those two aforementioned sets of groups.

I think it's fine for people to moan at Spurs (personally, I think we've been pretty dull since Poch arrived and I do want more) and so I'm also so tired of so many people instantly hitting the wtf button and accusing them of hysteria and of being whinging little turds who don't remember how bad it used to be.

I also think it's fine for people to be optimistic about our chances (personally, I think we've come a long way in ten years and are heading in the right direction; we have a good young squad with potential and are punching at about our weight even if I do want more) and so I'm also so tired of all the people hitting the wtf button and accusing them of being delusional and of being hopeful little turds, unaware of how screwed we are.

It's boring. Stop arguing. Let people have their own opinions. Debate differences of opinion - don't rubbish them. If you really can't bear someone's point then ignore it - not giving it air is more effective than sliding into a sad little slanging match. We're on the same team!!!

I'm not really sure what my point is other than I don't enjoy perusing this site as much as I used to. I'm not even sure if the site has changed that much - maybe I'm just getting older. I'm not even sure why I'm posting this - I think it's because I love Spurs but I'm not sure how this will help them next Saturday.

*Sighs*

Well that's your opinion.

And it's rubbish

;-)

 

[dontcallme]

Overall I like the forum and there are good debates as long as you ignore the posts from people that are illogical or who have a view that is too one sided to have a reasonable discussion with.

The key is to ignore the posts. Don't quote and debate them, don't attack them just respond to the people you believe have a valid view and who have put thought into what they are writing.

This morning I logged into see someone had quoted a couple of my posts and disagreed with something I clearly wasn't saying. It was natural to want to clarify my view, which was already clear and not his interpretation of it, but why bother? It would have clogged up the thread and probably come off topic.

There are lots of good posters here, you just have to sift through the nonsense.

 

[ethanedwards]

Overall I like the forum and there are good debates as long as you ignore the posts from people that are illogical or who have a view that is too one sided to have a reasonable discussion with.

The key is to ignore the posts. Don't quote and debate them, don't attack them just respond to the people you believe have a valid view and who have put thought into what they are writing.

This morning I logged into see someone had quoted a couple of my posts and disagreed with something I clearly wasn't saying. It was natural to want to clarify my view, which was already clear and not his interpretation of it, but why bother? It would have clogged up the thread and probably come off topic.

There are lots of good posters here, you just have to sift through the nonsense.

Well said.

 

[Lilbaz]

This mostly started with the bid for the os. Lines were drawn. You were either pro move or anti move. Which equated to pro levy or anti levy.
Now everytime some thing goes wrong it's where has all the money gone? Why did he sack? He's trigger happy. We leave it too late in the window to buy players. Why doesn't he buy players the manager wants? We should scrap the dof system etc...

It's the same arguments every day in threads that have nothing to do with it. That is why there are wtf ratings. Because it is fucking boring going over the same shit every time. That's why i try not to come here after a bad result, because we are incapable of analysing our prrformance without going into a rant.