Pochs training and lactic acid

[Lemon]

Since nobody came back with anything to confound my thoughts related to Uric Acid and excessive intensity training, I thought another post on Lactic acid may be suitable.

The Cori cycle is where the body converts glucose to lactic acid and vice versa via the liver.

Now if players are trained to saturation then this has multiple potential consequences.

How might the sports scientists/doctors/recovery team use modern research to counter this? Well personally I would have instigated a post workout regime which includes the following:

High dose MSM (5gram+), this must be Organic Sulphur, this compound drives oxygen into the cells, it must be mixed with water/juice with no Chlorine in it to be fully effective. This then allows the body to rid itself of lactic acid rather than having it largely re-enter the Cori cycle. Crudely giving a lactic acid cleanse, giving more room between exercise intensity and respiratory acidosis IMO.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23013531

In companion to this I would also supplement with high dose lysosomal/lypospheric Vitamin C. As whilst the tissue Ph is lowered with the backed up acid wastes (that I'm always bleeding on about), the body stops being able to absorb Ascorbic acid as it resists acidosis (if taken in base form as a supplement for example). Lypospheric C is bound inside Lecithin liposomes so almost entirely absorbed, independant of Ph status (assuming it is Lyposomes of Sodium Ascorbate).

Of course, this information is just my reflection and should not be construed as medical advice.

With me as a recovery consultant I believe Spurs would be top right now.

Again, confound me please.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Hugo Lloris wants improved Tottenham Hotspur players' fitness levels ahead of Southampton game

"And now we can have a bit of rest and enjoy it with our family over Christmas. We are going to have some time to work hard and get fitter than we finished the last few games."

He added: "We need to get the right balance between resting and recovering, especially mentally, and then to work hard and get fitter and stronger for the next few games.


Read more at http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....9993844-detail/story.html#kYUzBbxBo3Wf5pTR.99

 

[Lemon]

Thanks Jonathan. Just another piece of anecdotal evidence that there is a known issue.

 

[iddebu52]

Hugo Lloris wants improved Tottenham Hotspur players' fitness levels ahead of Southampton game

"And now we can have a bit of rest and enjoy it with our family over Christmas. We are going to have some time to work hard and get fitter than we finished the last few games."

He added: "We need to get the right balance between resting and recovering, especially mentally, and then to work hard and get fitter and stronger for the next few games.


Read more at http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....9993844-detail/story.html#kYUzBbxBo3Wf5pTR.99

On another thought, I think Hugo better improve on his distribution of the ball as he was very erratic yesterday!!

 

[peter_the_yid]

I've met a few fitness coaches from PL teams in the last few years and they are all massive on recovery. Anything that might increase recovery by 0.01% they test on players pretty much as soon as the research hints it might work. I've never spoken to anyone in any sport fitness role who uses this method mind you, I'll test it on myself though...

 

[Mattspur]

Since nobody came back with anything to confound my thoughts related to Uric Acid and excessive intensity training, I thought another post on Lactic acid may be suitable.

The Cori cycle is where the body converts glucose to lactic acid and vice versa via the liver.

Now if players are trained to saturation then this has multiple potential consequences.

How might the sports scientists/doctors/recovery team use modern research to counter this? Well personally I would have instigated a post workout regime which includes the following:

High dose MSM (5gram+), this must be Organic Sulphur, this compound drives oxygen into the cells, it must be mixed with water/juice with no Chlorine in it to be fully effective. This then allows the body to rid itself of lactic acid rather than having it largely re-enter the Cori cycle. Crudely giving a lactic acid cleanse, giving more room between exercise intensity and respiratory acidosis IMO.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23013531

In companion to this I would also supplement with high dose lysosomal/lypospheric Vitamin C. As whilst the tissue Ph is lowered with the backed up acid wastes (that I'm always bleeding on about), the body stops being able to absorb Ascorbic acid as it resists acidosis (if taken in base form as a supplement for example). Lypospheric C is bound inside Lecithin liposomes so almost entirely absorbed, independant of Ph status (assuming it is Lyposomes of Sodium Ascorbate).

Of course, this information is just my reflection and should not be construed as medical advice.

With me as a recovery consultant I believe Spurs would be top right now.

Again, confound me please.

I was just about to start a thread to say exactly the same thing.

 

[Phomesy]

Of course, this information is just my reflection and should not be construed as medical advice.

.

Too late.

Now my stable of racing hamsters are all dead. DEAD I TELL YOU!

 

[mano-obe]

I'm amazed at Rose and Walkers fitness levels. Still sprinting at 94 minutes that is incredible

 

[Jack]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23013531

In companion to this I would also supplement with high dose lysosomal/lypospheric Vitamin C. As whilst the tissue Ph is lowered with the backed up acid wastes (that I'm always bleeding on about), the body stops being able to absorb Ascorbic acid as it resists acidosis (if taken in base form as a supplement for example). Lypospheric C is bound inside Lecithin liposomes so almost entirely absorbed, independant of Ph status (assuming it is Lyposomes of Sodium Ascorbate).

Of course, this information is just my reflection and should not be construed as medical advice.

With me as a recovery consultant I believe Spurs would be top right now.

Again, confound me please.

1. This study sampled 8 people. 8. It isn't worth the paper it's written on.
2. Subjects were 'moderately exercise trained' which is, physiologicaly vastly different from 'elite athlete' - this is well documented.
3. The author was funded by a dietary supplement company.

Careful which headlines you read....

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Since nobody came back with anything to confound my thoughts related to Uric Acid and excessive intensity training, I thought another post on Lactic acid may be suitable.

The Cori cycle is where the body converts glucose to lactic acid and vice versa via the liver.

Now IF players are trained to saturation then this has multiple potential consequences.

How might the sports scientists/doctors/recovery team use modern research to counter this? Well personally I would have instigated a post workout regime which includes the following:

High dose MSM (5gram+), this must be Organic Sulphur, this compound drives oxygen into the cells, it must be mixed with water/juice with no Chlorine in it to be fully effective. This then allows the body to rid itself of lactic acid rather than having it largely re-enter the Cori cycle. Crudely giving a lactic acid cleanse, giving more room between exercise intensity and respiratory acidosis IMO.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23013531

In companion to this I would also supplement with high dose lysosomal/lypospheric Vitamin C. As whilst the tissue Ph is lowered with the backed up acid wastes (that I'm always bleeding on about), the body stops being able to absorb Ascorbic acid as it resists acidosis (if taken in base form as a supplement for example). Lypospheric C is bound inside Lecithin liposomes so almost entirely absorbed, independant of Ph status (assuming it is Lyposomes of Sodium Ascorbate).

Of course, this information is just my reflection and should not be construed as medical advice.

With me as a recovery consultant I believe Spurs would be top right now.

Again, confound me please.

That's a big if.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Hugo Lloris wants improved Tottenham Hotspur players' fitness levels ahead of Southampton game

"And now we can have a bit of rest and enjoy it with our family over Christmas. We are going to have some time to work hard and get fitter than we finished the last few games."

He added: "We need to get the right balance between resting and recovering, especially mentally, and then to work hard and get fitter and stronger for the next few games.


Read more at http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....9993844-detail/story.html#kYUzBbxBo3Wf5pTR.99

Oh, sure. Leave it to the guy who stands around all game to complain about the fitness levels of the players who actually run all game...

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

That's a big if.

Well, it is now. Blue too.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Well, it is now. Blue too.

Indeed.

But that was my point: it was a very big "if" to start with. I just emphasised it because the whole argument (which I don't have a clue about, btw) rests on the statement "if players are trained to saturation then this has multiple potential consequences...." but no suggestion that they are, as far as I can see.

Seems odd to me, that's all.

 

[onthetwo]

Chris Hoy tells a story about taking Bicarbonate of Soda (and messing up the amounts!) before a race in order to counteract lactic acid!!??

 

[Ionman34]

I thought they used ice baths to counter the effects of lactic acid.

I also think lemon is a sales rep for Smithklinebeecham...

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

1. This study sampled 8 people. 8. It isn't worth the paper it's written on.

How can you say that so categorically. Have you actually carried out the necessary statistical tests to factually determine whether 8 is not a sufficient sample size? Did you read in the survey how the significance was dealt with, and if so what do you not agree with?

 

[thfc1973]

Lemon,
Have you actually tried contacting the Club and ask them to pass on your semi-thesis research and ask if your services would be needed? I think you should.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I just ate some sugar free cranberry. There were ten of us on the table and all but two agreed - it was nasty. We've written to the relevant body to have our research catalogued and marked as valuable and definitive.

I like this thread.

Solid 5/7.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I just ate some sugar free cranberry. There were ten of us on the table and all but two agreed - it was nasty. We've written to the relevant body to have our research catalogued and marked as valuable and definitive.

I like this thread.

Solid 5/7.

If this is yet another stab at the sample size and "validity", it is impossible to know whether the sample size is too small or significant enough simply by reading two sentences about the research. Any serious researcher knows this. You have to factually and scientifically prove your view on the significance of the sample size. You can't just say "it's legitimate", "it's too small" or "it's illegitimate".

 

[Rocksuperstar]

If this is yet another stab at the sample size and "validity", it is impossible to know whether the sample size is too small or significant enough simply by reading two sentences about the research. Any serious researcher knows this. You have to factually and scientifically prove your view on the significance of the sample size. You can't just say "it's legitimate", "it's too small" or "it's illegitimate".

Yes i can, watch:

"Unless the product is an eight chambered revolver and the test is to find suitability for a result when playing Russian Roulette, this sample size is NOT big enough to make wide sweeping claims about it's validity otherwise".

How about, instead of expecting us to swallow this, expect his sample size to be a little less pointless? It's not up to us to change our belief when the evidence is thinner than my rapidly thinning hair.

edit: I can't leave it at that - i've worked in the NHS, private clinics & emergency centres, with a spectrum of medical professionals from a kid with a box of plasters to a 90 year old, world respected neurologist, and they would all laugh heartily at this. Some of them have worked their entire lives to prove or find a solution, using sample sizes of tens of thousands, and have still been shrugged off for lack of evidence. People who go into the public domain, away from other medical professionals, and tout their discovery, treatment or therapy as "proven" or "medically evident" is shifting snake oil, and nothing else. Sure, it's fair to have a stab or a guess, but if this was serious or viable treatment, how is it only known by some no-mark on a football forum, and not being discussed at length on medical or sports-physician journals and forums?