Player Watch : Vincent Janssen

[Sweech]

You did a call out post after one goal and the proceeded to deride those who have concerns with the player by using a highly selective sample to question their judgement. Jansen scores his first outfield PL goal and yet your response is to do that, what does that tell you?

Wind your neck in.

What it tells me is some here can think critically about players and some can't.

 

[TheHood]

It's more of a risk if we sell as we're back to square one in looking for yet another striker who will need to get used to the playing style, cohesion and get up to speed with the Poch philosophy physically and mentally. I said before that Janssen's issue is clearly mental in which he has improved on, the ability is there and can and will be improved, just requires patience and I suspect that Poch knows that and will continue to work with him on that, you can't just bin off players after year just because they haven't performed to expectation especially young players.

We haven't moved on from square one, last summer we needed a second striker who could provide us with adequate support and goals. We haven't obtained that and unless there is a large turnover in his performance levels & scoring record between now and the end of the season that postion has not changed. I don't see that happening so for me a priority will be a replacement in the summer.

And the issue for me is far more than just his mindset and confidence, my biggest concern has always been with his movement positioning and anticipation, I think he falls way short in these areas to be effective at his level and there are a number of other deficiencies to his game such as technique that hinder him massively.

As I have said previously time and patience is not a facet of the modern game, not with the pace of turnover of players and coaches in the game. Managers do not have the luxary of being able to stand by players who fail to contribute, their own postion a can become compromised by it. And the margins between success and failure have never never been slimmer, had we had a support striker who had contributed 7-10 goals this season instead of one who has contributed 2 we could be taking about a very different season (and before anyone tries to make the claim I'm not blaming Janssen for us not winning the league).That is case across he entire league, it is fine margins and managers simply cannot afford passengers in their playing staff.

And they make such decisions all the time, the club readily and frequently disposes of most its youth products and we have seen with the likes Nije, Stambouli that Poch will readily dispose of a player after 12 months. We almost sold Son after one season who showed more than enough to warrant a second season.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

. We almost sold Son after one season who showed more than enough to warrant a second season.

That was a case of Son wanting to leave (but Poch wanted to keep him), not comparable at all to the Njie and Stambouli situations.

 

[Khilari]

This is just what he needed. His initial shot looked like it was going wide, but he needed the luck for one to just go in. He got a good rebound and to be fair to him, despite perhaps his confidence being low he stuck it in.

I think he will improve. First seasons from other leagues often are hard.

I think we will keep him and he'll improve nex term.

Come on Vinny!

 

[Sweech]

We haven't moved on from square one, last summer we needed a second striker who could provide us with adequate support and goals. We haven't obtained that and unless there is a large turnover in his performance levels & scoring record between now and the end of the season that postion has not changed. I don't see that happening so for me a priority will be a replacement in the summer.

And the issue for me is far more than just his mindset and confidence, my biggest concern has always been with his movement positioning and anticipation, I think he falls way short in these areas to be effective at his level and there are a number of other deficiencies to his game such as technique that hinder him massively.

As I have said previously time and patience is not a facet of the modern game, not with the pace of turnover of players and coaches in the game. Managers do not have the luxary of being able to stand by players who fail to contribute, their own postion a can become compromised by it. And the margins between success and failure have never never been slimmer, had we had a support striker who had contributed 7-10 goals this season instead of one who has contributed 2 we could be taking about a very different season (and before anyone tries to make the claim I'm not blaming Janssen for us not winning the league).That is case across he entire league, it is fine margins and managers simply cannot afford passengers in their playing staff.

And they make such decisions all the time, the club readily and frequently disposes of most its youth products and we have seen with the likes Nije, Stambouli that Poch will readily dispose of a player after 12 months. We almost sold Son after one season who showed more than enough to warrant a second season.

I think you've made judgments which others have not and that's what comes to the difference of opinion.

Judgment number 1: Managers don't have more than one season to stand by a player.
Well this is an odd position to take as it can be correct for lots of managers, but lots of managers isn't the direct judgment here - It's Pochettino. The real question is, "does Pochettino have the time to stand by a player past one season?" and I would say the resounding answer is "YES". Pochettino is playing on credit with how well he's doing with this team and bar the team being relegated or several consecutively bad seasons (out of the top 6) I would say Pochettino is very safe in his job.

Further adding to the fact that as I stated earlier a very large number of our best players struggled for at minimum 1 season before just adds to the fact that in impatient approach could prove poor as we could end up selling players who come good and should we do that we'd almost always be operating at a loss on those player trades. The players who come good far outweigh the Stambouli's and Njie's who are sold after one season - should Poch judge Janssen this way I'd have few complaints, except I don't believe he will be as I see promising upside in Janssen.

Across the entire Premier League most players seem to need at least one season to bed in. After that if the player truly is rubbish? Fine move them on. At that point they are on borrowed time past their rookie season.

Judgment number 2: We don't have a support striker who can score 7-10 goals:
Again I think many (including myself would disagree with you) as we have a lovely smiling Korean lad who does just that. I would call him our support striker and his goal return this year is well over that 7-10 mark. If you don't see it that way what is Son in your mind?

 

[voxy28]

Just watch the replay and all the players celebrating his goal with him. Jansen will come good given the support he is receiving, not many slot into Poch formationin Their first season.

I think he will deliver with pre season and keep his fitness during the break. It's up to him really.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Its a big risk to wait and see. Im not saying you are wrong tho.

We probably need 3 strikers anyway tbf

Kane, Son & Janssen

 

[VanZan]

It looks like VJ has responded in the right way to Poch dumping him on the bench some weeks back. Great to see the lad trying and really showing desire to succeed. Pity our £30m record buy doesn't take note.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I still say back him and buy another forward who can play right across the front line just in case. That way we have two out-and-out centre forwards in Harry and Vincent, with Son and the new signing being able to play upfront if needed or behind them if not.

I think that would be overkill, unless we buy / promote from within a young player who will be satisfied with little playing time.

We have Janssen and Son as back-up for Kane. Son can play right across the front line and isn't a guaranteed starter in any particular position, so is the perfect versatile attacking player to have as back-up. We should also have Lamela back next season, which adds to the competition for the attacking roles behind Kane (my guess is that Son will suffer as a result of this more than Eriksen or Alli).

Marcus Edwards and Kazaiah Sterling are currently training with the first team, so perhaps one of them will be ready for a run out next season.

Poch has said several times that he prefers to have a small squad of versatile players rather than a direct replacement for each position. Nkoudou is already fairly redundant, as he won't even get to be an unused sub once Lamela is back, so I don't see us signing anyone without moving two players on (i.e. two of Janssen, Sissoko and Nkoudou...I really can't see Janssen going though).

 

[JerryGarcia]

I'm strugling to think of many strikers who have come to this league in recent seasons and hit the ground running. Obviously you have the likes of Ibrahimovic and Costa who are going to score wherever they play but perhaps being a sucessful premiership striker is becoming a skill that needs to be developed over time more than it ever has?

Look how many strikers West ham have signed in their quest for glory who have all been shit. We've had our fair share of duds along with plenty of other clubs while Defoe has been able to get back in the goals like he was ten years younger.

It's only a thought but most of the top scorers have either played in the english leagues for at least a few years or were top class players to start with (Aguero/Ibra/Sanchez etc). Sticking with Jansen could pay off because for his age he has shown good technical ability and seems to have the right blend of strength and determination.

Then again I might be talking a load of bollocks, I'm not sure.

 

[Lilbaz]

It looks like VJ has responded in the right way to Poch dumping him on the bench some weeks back. Great to see the lad trying and really showing desire to succeed. Pity our £30m record buy doesn't take note.

How do you know he hasn't?

 

[Bobbins]

He looked to me yesterday like he's quite a lot leaner than he was at the start of the season, but with more defined muscle development.

We've seen this with several players under Poch - Kane, Lamela, Dier, Son and Rose are all examples of players who have put noticeable muscle weight on, often (particularly in the case of Dier and Kane) whilst losing a bit of natural podge which men of their size carry naturally.

Janssen is obviously a naturally stocky and heavy guy, and like many players under their first year in a Poch team has found it tough to meet the fitness and speed requirements. This whole first year for him has been about acclimatising to the physical demands Poch places on his players and getting up to speed with the power and combative nature of the Premier League.

There's a big list of players who have struggled in their first PL season, particularly young foreign players, but Poch has a good record of giving them the chance to adapt and if they're capable and suited to it, they'll make it - just look at Son and Lamela for examples of exactly that transformation.

I think for that reason as well as some encouraging performances in recent weeks, Poch will stick with Janssen for next season, and I expect Janssen will not in turn have a much more effective year to come. It doesn't work for all players and ultimately Janssen may not turn out as we and Poch hope, but he'll get his chance next year and I think he looks like he wants to take it.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I think he's actually been quite decent in his last few games. Good link up play, creating space and bringing other people into the game, and he has now scored a couple of goals. Against Swansea, the two "easy chances" he missed were not actually easy at all...I honestly don't think Kane would have scored them. Nonetheless he would have felt under even more pressure having not scored them, but remained composed and set up a goal with a delightful little flick to put Son through for the winning goal.

Two goals and an assist in his last six appearances (not starts!) is a very good return, so if he can keep that going for the next six weeks, that would be more than respectable. If that's not enough for a 22 year old to be given a second season, we'd need to have a lot of confidence in signing a very proven player this summer.

If we sold him, I could see him going to a mid-table PL team for even less than we paid, then getting 15 goals and 5+ assists. In the meantime, we'd have to pay £30m+ to sign someone of that standard.

 

[faymantaray]

 

[HildoSpur]

He has really struggled this season but I think he has shown enough particularly in the past few games that he could make it here. I'd be very disappointed if he was to leave in the summer and I don't expect him to. I think with a full pre-season and more work on his strength and fitness we could see a different player next season who could perform a valuable role in the squad.

 

[tiger666]

Who does the blood on his shirt belong to?

 

[mightyspur]

Who does the blood on his shirt belong to?

Spurs!

 

[ajspurs]

Who does the blood on his shirt belong to?

Think it was Vertonghen, well I saw it on his hand as he was walking off so I'm assuming it was his unless it came off someone else as well.

 

[VertongHen]

Janssen's obviously never been on SpursCommunity...

 

[Snarfalicious]

Janssen's obviously never been on SpursCommunity...
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