Player Watch: Victor Wanyama

[chrissivad]

My post said people are making out Dier was zidane last season. His amazing passing range, the way our teams tempo goes up, his wonderful long balls. Are we talking about Dier??

The post I quoted was someone saying yes to people calling him Zidane...

And I agree that there is a different tempo/style to our play from last season with Dier in cm to this season to Wanyama there.

Both have done a great job there in their own way, and I'm not surprised that the opinion on who should play there is split.

 

[dudu]

I really don't understand the Dier shouts, I think it's probably based on the fact that Dier is a bit of a favourite and people are a little frustrated that he's been displaced.

He was my adopted son last year.. I am a big fan but I'm not a very sentimental person when it comes to things like this.

Dier or Wanyama at DM offers us a great defensive presence and a solid attacking one.. I am comfortable with either playing in that position however I do not think Wanyamas inclusion has made us worse in any way shape or form.

 

[millsey]

The post I quoted was someone saying yes to people calling him Zidane...

And I agree that there is a different tempo/style to our play from last season with Dier in cm to this season to Wanyama there.

Both have done a great job there in their own way, and I'm not surprised that the opinion on who should play there is split.

Surely that's people saying,what's the difference to last season, oh Dier not play dm, so that's the reason. How about Kane's 25 goals? Toby playing every game? Alli being far better?

 

[millsey]

Where's the long term future for Dier though? You can't play them both.

 

[chrissivad]

Surely that's people saying,what's the difference to last season, oh Dier not play dm, so that's the reason. How about Kane's 25 goals? Toby playing every game? Alli being far better?

That's a reason. And one that's being discussed in here. I'm sure other reason are being talked about, but probably not in the Wanyama thread.

In here it's just focused in on this one thing

 

[Eric_s]

Yes I'm writing friction.

Hahaha. What a powerful response.
You have magical eyes that can see things no other can.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Hahaha. What a powerful response.
You have magical eyes that can see things no other can.

What like the difference between friction and fiction?

You might want to get your eyes tested.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Hahaha. What a powerful response.
You have magical eyes that can see things no other can.

In a way you've demonstrated my point by not noticing the spelling mistake.

The effect Dier has on the team is subtle and anyone who doesn't pay attention to details could miss it.

 

[nightgoat]

Ok fair.

No one is litterally saying that.

People are alluding that Dier is an obviously superior footballer and passer of the ball while without him at DM our entire offensive and defensive play is suffering.... This despite us having scored more and conceeded less than at this stage last year.

I am a huge fan of Eric's but him playing in DM is not the glue that holds us together.

There are some things that Wanyama does very well, but overall Dier is a far more accomplished footballer and fits into the style of play which was so successful last season much better (dropping back between the CBs, providing cover for the defence, making himself a viable passing option when building play from the back).

We haven't actually played that well very often this season. Apart from Man City we've only won league matches we would be expected to win. Compared with the corresponding fixtures last season we're only one point up because we didn't lose at home to Burnley, whereas our goal difference was better last season.

Of course there have been other factors such as injury and suspension to key players (although we weren't as injury free last season as people make out), but that just makes it more of an odd decision to consciously remove one of the most vital components of last season's team for no obvious benefit.

 

[sparx100]

Where's the long term future for Dier though? You can't play them both.

He should get his fair share of games but he is not a centre back and unfortunately Poch prefers Wanayama at the moment.

 

[dudu]

There are some things that Wanyama does very well, but overall Dier is a far more accomplished footballer and fits into the style of play which was so successful last season much better (dropping back between the CBs, providing cover for the defence, making himself a viable passing option when building play from the back).

We haven't actually played that well very often this season. Apart from Man City we've only won league matches we would be expected to win. Compared with the corresponding fixtures last season we're only one point up because we didn't lose at home to Burnley, whereas our goal difference was better last season.

Of course there have been other factors such as injury and suspension to key players (although we weren't as injury free last season as people make out), but that just makes it more of an odd decision to consciously remove one of the most vital components of last season's team for no obvious benefit.

You're making out like the gulf in performances, points and goals is dramatically different. It isnt.. If anything this season is fabourable to last in terms of points and GD and while flat at times we have also only lost 2

Kane and Toby fit for all games and we have 4+ points on what we do now in my opinion.

Dier starting doesn't make me believe that we would have turned our draws into wins.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have.... But I don't think we were missing him in DM vs west brom, Leicester.... We were missing clinical finishing and perhaps a few more threaded balls splitting the Defense.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

imo he really needs to stop giving stupid fouls away around the box and needs to concentrate on his passing more, sometimes he's to lax and just gives the ball away. I rate him but he drifts too much and Dembele gets dragged back to cover when we need him dribbling and breaking defending teams lines.

 

[bubble07]

Excellent read

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...tics-tuesday-how-victor-wanyama-changed-spurs

Think 3-4-3 is the way to go if Wanyama is in the side

 

[thekneaf]

Excellent read

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...tics-tuesday-how-victor-wanyama-changed-spurs

Think 3-4-3 is the way to go if Wanyama is in the side

Basically don't need to write my comment, because that article says it all.

 

[fortworthspur]

Basically don't need to write my comment, because that article says it all.

I got several WTFs and disagrees when I recently said Wanyama has been the engine in the first half of the season. Conte says the same thing:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2017/01/03/31128492/-

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Who is saying he was Zidane last season then?

I don't know about that but someone literally compared him to Xabi Alonso last season. I shit you not.

 

[Cravenspurs]

Excellent read

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...tics-tuesday-how-victor-wanyama-changed-spurs

Think 3-4-3 is the way to go if Wanyama is in the side

Yeah that was good, but could have sworn Dembele didn't play against Watford like the author continually writes in the write up. Either way the author is write that Wanyama is better alone as his game is dumbed down. If we go CM2 I would prefer Dier as I think he is just better on the ball and has a better range of passing.

 

[nightgoat]

Excellent read

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...tics-tuesday-how-victor-wanyama-changed-spurs

Think 3-4-3 is the way to go if Wanyama is in the side

Let's face it though, we could have played pretty much any formation against Watford and still beaten them comfortably, and getting an early goal against Hull meant they couldn't just defend all game which is where we often struggle.

 

[thekneaf]

Wanyama also goes hunting which Dier doesn't do. He splits the CBs. Hopefully we're getting to a formation that plays to as many players strengths as possible.

 

[yido_number1]

Wanyamas best performance by a country mile. Absolutely perfect game from him!