Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

[Trix]

I'm not fussed either way tbh. If his wages are £170k a week though and he wants around that for a deal with us then walk away.

There's surefire starter and reliable producer money, which I think even his biggest fans can agree he is not as it stands. We're not paupers but we're not Citeh either to be spending that on rotational players.

If he's on £170k a week at Leipzig they'll surely have to pay him off to leave because no club outside of Saudi is going to pay him that. That'll be the way he moves on for less wages imo.

 

[hughy]

If I'm honest I flip back and forth on a game to game basis as to whether I think we should make him permanent or not. I'm happy to give him until the end of the season, but I can definitely see why a lot would consider him a waste of a valuable squad place.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

For 15m he would be great value if he was anywhere near what he was. Everyone knew he wouldn’t score the one to one. No confidence in those situations. Should be interesting at Villa because they push up like no one else .
Look at Beto at Everton for what you can get for around 15m. You don’t get much. Wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to negotiate the fee down. I would say the jury’s out on him, it’s up to him to perform.

 

[robotsonic]

I also think that his attitude is attractive to someone like Ange. He's talked more than once about that being as important as what they can do. Doubt he would be here already if Ange didn't like him, and you can see on the pitch his attitude which is to keep going, over and over, and keep putting himself in the right positions, even if he misses. He doesn't seem to let his head go down.

I don't really get the "waste of a squad space" idea unless we can definitely bring in someone who is better than he is. Obviously there are some names out there that could be a better option, but I mean...someone that we will realistically sign. I'd rather have Werner than Bryan Gil or Solomon, and he's done more in a Tottenham shirt than both. Personally I think we'll end up for the next couple of years with Sonny up top, which means we need two decent options for LWF, and I think Werner is a solid pick for one of those.

 

[aussiespursguy]

I also think that his attitude is attractive to someone like Ange. He's talked more than once about that being as important as what they can do. Doubt he would be here already if Ange didn't like him, and you can see on the pitch his attitude which is to keep going, over and over, and keep putting himself in the right positions, even if he misses. He doesn't seem to let his head go down.

I don't really get the "waste of a squad space" idea unless we can definitely bring in someone who is better than he is. Obviously there are some names out there that could be a better option, but I mean...someone that we will realistically sign. I'd rather have Werner than Bryan Gil or Solomon, and he's done more in a Tottenham shirt than both. Personally I think we'll end up for the next couple of years with Sonny up top, which means we need two decent options for LWF, and I think Werner is a solid pick for one of those.

This. Surely Gil's time is up and we should get close to the 15 million Werner will cost.
Ivan the great has already gone so that's a place available.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

This. Surely Gil's time is up and we should get close to the 15 million Werner will cost.
Ivan the great has already gone so that's a place available.

10m at best. He’s done nothing, not even when he was on loan in Spain. I only see him going back to Spain and they’re all skint. Poss use him as a makeweight for that Zubimendi who we are supposedly interested in, from Sociedad.

 

[Styopa]

I don't really get the "waste of a squad space" idea unless we can definitely bring in someone who is better than he is. Obviously there are some names out there that could be a better option, but I mean...someone that we will realistically sign. I'd rather have Werner than Bryan Gil or Solomon, and he's done more in a Tottenham shirt than both.

I think the worry is if we keep Werner, then the first team forward options we have now will be the same forward options we go into next season with. They’re all decent players but can I seriously see us competing for the title with those players? Probably not, if I’m honest.

Maybe we do something with Solomon, but if we do replace him it would probably be a punt on relatively low wages.

Gil will probably be sold or go out on loan again. I don’t think he’s really in contention for any of the spaces.

 

[robotsonic]

I think the worry is if we keep Werner, then the first team forward options we have now will be the same forward options we go into next season with. They’re all decent players but I see us seriously competing for the title with those players? Probably not, if I’m honest.

Maybe we do something with Solomon, but if we do replace him it would probably be a punt on relatively low wages.

Liverpool/Arsenal pushing for the title with a worse selection imo. But I think that we can sign Werner and still outlay on someone else to come in too. It would require though a commitment from Ange to Sonny down the middle I suppose, but I don't see any other option for us to do so eventually as he's becoming more effective there than out wide.

 

[Styopa]

Liverpool/Arsenal pushing for the title with a worse selection imo. But I think that we can sign Werner and still outlay on someone else to come in too. It would require though a commitment from Ange to Sonny down the middle I suppose, but I don't see any other option for us to do so eventually as he's becoming more effective there than out wide.

To be honest I don’t watch enough of Liverpool or Arsenal to compare. It just seems like to me we are missing something a bit special right now.

Don’t get me wrong, I would be happy for us to sign Werner plus another wing forward with more X-factor. It’s just I have serious doubts that we will do that. We have a long history of making do with what we’ve got, and even without Gil, we will have two forwards for each position if we sign Werner. Richarlison/Son; Johnson/Kulusevski; Werner/Solomon.

 

[Japhet]

I think the worry is if we keep Werner, then the first team forward options we have now will be the same forward options we go into next season with. They’re all decent players but can I seriously see us competing for the title with those players? Probably not, if I’m honest.

Maybe we do something with Solomon, but if we do replace him it would probably be a punt on relatively low wages.

Gil will probably be sold or go out on loan again. I don’t think he’s really in contention for any of the spaces.

We've been heavily linked with Neto so I think it's fair to say we're looking for a forward. I think Gil is surplus to requirements and we should probably try to loan Solomon out (which would bring in a handy profit on the books) til he proves his fitness. With that in mind, I think Werner makes sense, especially if we can start using him better than at present.

 

[Styopa]

We've been heavily linked with Neto so I think it's fair to say we're looking for a forward. I think Gil is surplus to requirements and we should probably try to loan Solomon out (which would bring in a handy profit on the books) til he proves his fitness. With that in mind, I think Werner makes sense, especially if we can start using him better than at present.

Yeah as I mentioned above, if we do something like this, then happy days. Werner is a good option to have.

 

[allatsea]

We've been heavily linked with Neto so I think it's fair to say we're looking for a forward. I think Gil is surplus to requirements and we should probably try to loan Solomon out (which would bring in a handy profit on the books) til he proves his fitness. With that in mind, I think Werner makes sense, especially if we can start using him better than at present.

If we give Werner a nice 5 year contract, at anything like the salary he is supposedly on, he will almost impossible to sell when we decide he simply isn't good enough for a team, hopefully, challenging for the highest honours.

 

[Styopa]

If we give Werner a nice 5 year contract, at anything like the salary he is supposedly on, he will almost impossible to sell when we decide he simply isn't good enough for a team, hopefully, challenging for the highest honours.

Yeah I think this is a valid concern. People fixate on fees but salaries are often as important. A five year contract will cost something like £42m based on Werner’s reported salary. Presumably the transfer fee is low because RB are more worried about getting his wages off the book.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

If we give Werner a nice 5 year contract, at anything like the salary he is supposedly on, he will almost impossible to sell when we decide he simply isn't good enough for a team, hopefully, challenging for the highest honours.

3 years with a 1 year option would probably be sensible.

 

[djhotspur]

Yeah I think this is a valid concern. People fixate on fees but salaries are often as important. A five year contract will cost something like £42m based on Werner’s reported salary. Presumably the transfer fee is low because RB are more worried about getting his wages off the book.

There’s no way we sign him on the same wages. If he’s happy here he’ll likely take less money to join or leibzig will pay him off to move

 

[Wig]

I wouldn't get too hung up on his wages, I think we have a fair amount of wiggle room on our wage bill compared to all our rivals. Just because he's on a certain wage at RBL (and we are covering that amount during the loan period), doesn't mean that we have to offer him the same wages should we sign him permanently. Nobody likes a paycut, but if he's happy moving to Spurs then he could take a small cut and instead have extra performance bonuses.

For me personally, unless we unearth some hidden gem I think we would struggle to find anyone of comparable quality for the quoted transfer fee. £15M is a bargain compared to say £40M that Brentford were prepared to pay for a largely untested talent in Nusa.

 

[Styopa]

For me personally, unless we unearth some hidden gem I think we would struggle to find anyone of comparable quality for the quoted transfer fee. £15M is a bargain compared to say £40M that Brentford were prepared to pay for a largely untested talent in Nusa.

Yeah but Nusa’s wages might be a quarter of Werner’s wages or less. So the deals could net out roughly the same, just one has a lower transfer fee and higher wages, the other a higher transfer fee and lower wages. The other thing is Nusa has massive potential sell on value whereas Werner doesn’t.

If we’re talking about Werner being a bargain then you have to take into account his wages too because that’s part of the cost.

Agree though that Nusa is a bigger risk.

 

[KirstyG]

Yeah but Nusa’s wages might be a quarter of Werner’s wages or less. So the deals could net out roughly the same, just one has a lower transfer fee and higher wages, the other a higher transfer fee and lower wages. The other thing is Nusa has massive potential sell on value whereas Werner doesn’t.

If we’re talking about Werner being a bargain then you have to take into account his wages too because that’s part of the cost.

Agree though that Nusa is a bigger risk.

Yes but losing Solomon, Gil and Perisic would free up wages. Not to mention is we get rid of Ndombele etc. for our squad to improve in an incremental fashion we need to take the best of what we have lose the rest and look for gems on top. Werner I’d say is wayyy more proven than Gil, Solomon and has contributed immediately despite being here five minutes. Ok he isn’t world class but if he became the new “base layer” that we built upon with new signings to go in starting line up then I don’t think we could go far wrong tbh. It’s like ppl think we’d just settle on Timo even tho it’s been indicated we are also looking at Neto et al. I’m assuming it’s in addition.

Say we don’t take up the option and we just get Neto. Great. One injury or him being tired etc and we are back to who is on the bench now. I’d rather Werner any day of the week as a back up.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

If he's on £170k a week at Leipzig they'll surely have to pay him off to leave because no club outside of Saudi is going to pay him that. That'll be the way he moves on for less wages imo.

From a ‘moneyball’ perspective the signing could make a lot of sense aswell.

Get him on a cut price deal on much lower wages as Leipzig are desperate to get him off the wage bill.

Keep him for the year as a great option for the cups and as a brilliant impact sub and then move him on for a tidy profit once his reputation has improved.

Much like we’re apparently viewing Solomon.

 

[Styopa]

Yes but losing Solomon, Gil and Perisic would free up wages. Not to mention is we get rid of Ndombele etc. for our squad to improve in an incremental fashion we need to take the best of what we have lose the rest and look for gems on top. Werner I’d say is wayyy more proven than Gil, Solomon and has contributed immediately despite being here five minutes. Ok he isn’t world class but if he became the new “base layer” that we built upon with new signings to go in starting line up then I don’t think we could go far wrong tbh. It’s like ppl think we’d just settle on Timo even tho it’s been indicated we are also looking at Neto et al. I’m assuming it’s in addition.

Say we don’t take up the option and we just get Neto. Great. One injury or him being tired etc and we are back to who is on the bench now. I’d rather Werner any day of the week as a back up.

I agree, but I don’t think the argument is about whether we replace Solomon or Gil with Werner. I think most people would be on board with that. I think the argument is about Werner being brought in as the main option for that spot- rotating with Solomon/ another Solomon style punt.

And secondly, people are worried we won’t be able to upgrade Werner in one or two year’s time because we’ll struggle to move him because of his wages.

If these concerns turn out to be baseless, for example we sign Werner and Neto, and Werner also takes a big pay cut, then I think most people will be happy.