Player Watch Player Watch: Ryan Sessegnon

[dontcallme]

I believe we bought him for his potential so I am not so concerned at his lack of playing time for us so far.

But over the last 4 seasons we seem to have stopped loaning out our young players as much. KWP appeared for us 24 times in 3 seasons. Then 10 games in the Prem and we are looking at getting £15m for him.

If Sessegnon isn't in Jose's immediate plans then he needs to go on loan. I'd like to see him go to Ajax or a French club. He needs plenty of game time.

 

[ikky]

The Sun saying Newcastle want him.

 

[alexis]

barcelona and ajax wanting him is a statement enough on its own

 

[Zippy1980]

barcelona and ajax wanting him is a statement enough on its own

And Newcastle an even bigger one. ?

 

[king26]

The Sun saying Newcastle want him.

 

[bigfrooj]

I don’t think he’s going anywhere soon. Mourinho know talent when he sees it. This short preseason will be the most important of Sessegnons career so far. I’m convinced he’ll be a huge player and also convinced he’ll be playing as a forward. Whether that’s this season remains to be seen but it should be.

 

[oskathegobshite]

I think it would make sense for us to switch our 'attacking' full back to the left and blood Sessegnon in this role (rather than Aurier on the right, who will probably go). To me he looks far better going forward but it doesn't look like Mourinho will play a back 5 consistently so he might get exposed more than Aurier would

What is certain is that he needs to play games, if he's not going to get 20 starts all competitions at least we should loan him out, ideally to a Premiership club that would use him as a full-back

 

[brasil_spur]

We have a ridiculous fixture list coming up soon so you have to imagine that there will be ample opportunity to get him game time before the transfer window closes in October. If for any reason he hasn't gotten game time by then or if he has had game time and clearly would benefit from a loan then fine, but personally I think we shouldn't be considering this right now, this could easily be his breakthrough season.

 

[Cochraam]

We have a ridiculous fixture list coming up soon so you have to imagine that there will be ample opportunity to get him game time before the transfer window closes in October. If for any reason he hasn't gotten game time by then or if he has had game time and clearly would benefit from a loan then fine, but personally I think we shouldn't be considering this right now, this could easily be his breakthrough season.

Agree. We may play as many as 9 games in the first 23 days of the season, a game every 2.5 days. There will definitely be early opportunities to impress for some of the players who are a bit on the outside (Sessegnon, Skipp, some U-23s, etc.). Give Sessegnon minutes in those early games, and it may be just what he needs to get into gear. If not, there would still be a chance to arrange a good loan. Also, assuming we make the Europa group stage, we'll play a ton of games this year (we would need 18 games to get into the EL final), so there will be opportunities for pretty much everyone in the squad.

 

[joey55]

Did anyone else watch him playing for Fulham, in The Championship, when he scored a lot of goals, at just 17 years old and think he just doesn't look that talented?

I'm not saying he didn't look like a decent young player, but at the time, he was being hyped as a wonder kid, but he did always seem to be severely lacking in stand out attributes. It's not like he was showing the touch Berbatov or the dribbling of Hazard, but just needed time to develop. If you watch Jadon Sancho or Raheem Sterling at kids, it's blindingly obvious they have incredible talent and it's just a question of realizing that potential. The same in true of Marcus Edwards. When you watched Bale's FK's at Southampton, it was clear that his left foot was a wand. With Sessegnon it was always a bit meh. There are no great highlight videos of his amazing skills! There was just his goals compilations and a few full match, all his touches videos and they didn't exactly make you think "wow!" That's a bit odd for a kid so hyped, playing as an attacking player.

Other than his goals and physical development, there was nothing special about Sessegnon's game. And the goals he was scoring, just didn't translate to the Premier League. If you want to score double figures in the Prem, from a wide forward position, you have to be insanely fast and be capable from distance. Salah's best asset is his insane acceleration. Sonny has proven he's a threat from anywhere and Bale couldn't be allowed to cut in, even from distance. That's just the incredible level needed to score lots in the Prem. Good, solid, timing of your runs, which Sessegnon showed, is never going to be enough. A youngster has to show he has some uber ability to cut it at the highest level in an attacking wide role.

So, though people often talk of his "potential," personally, as a wide player, I never thought the potential was there. I can see why Mou see's him as a FB, as he's got attributes to be successful there. He's athletic, can provide good delivery, has shown he can time his rums well and is an intelligent player. But I don't think he's an absolute banker to make it in the Prem. I think because of the goals he scored, at a young age, a lot of people think it's just a matter of time. I think he's got a lot of work to do. I'm optimistic as he has the tools and I know by the time we signed him, the hype had significantly died down, but his status as a 17 year old, always amazed me. Same is true of Reece Oxford who, other than being really big for is age, seemed about as uninspiring a wonder kid as you could imagine.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Did anyone else watch him playing for Fulham, in The Championship, when he scored a lot of goals, at just 17 years old and think he just doesn't look that talented?

I'm not saying he didn't look like a decent young player, but at the time, he was being hyped as a wonder kid, but he did always seem to be severely lacking in stand out attributes. It's not like he was showing the touch Berbatov or the dribbling of Hazard, but just needed time to develop. If you watch Jadon Sancho or Raheem Sterling at kids, it's blindingly obvious they have incredible talent and it's just a question of realizing that potential. The same in true of Marcus Edwards. When you watched Bale's FK's at Southampton, it was clear that his left foot was a wand. With Sessegnon it was always a bit meh. There are no great highlight videos of his amazing skills! There was just his goals compilations and a few full match, all his touches videos and they didn't exactly make you think "wow!" That's a bit odd for a kid so hyped, playing as an attacking player.

Other than his goals and physical development, there was nothing special about Sessegnon's game. And the goals he was scoring, just didn't translate to the Premier League. If you want to score double figures in the Prem, from a wide forward position, you have to be insanely fast and be capable from distance. Salah's best asset is his insane acceleration. Sonny has proven he's a threat from anywhere and Bale couldn't be allowed to cut in, even from distance. That's just the incredible level needed to score lots in the Prem. Good, solid, timing of your runs, which Sessegnon showed, is never going to be enough. A youngster has to show he has some uber ability to cut it at the highest level in an attacking wide role.

So, though people often talk of his "potential," personally, as a wide player, I never thought the potential was there. I can see why Mou see's him as a FB, as he's got attributes to be successful there. He's athletic, can provide good delivery, has shown he can time his rums well and is an intelligent player. But I don't think he's an absolute banker to make it in the Prem. I think because of the goals he scored, at a young age, a lot of people think it's just a matter of time. I think he's got a lot of work to do. I'm optimistic as he has the tools and I know by the time we signed him, the hype had significantly died down, but his status as a 17 year old, always amazed me. Same is true of Reece Oxford who, other than being really big for is age, seemed about as uninspiring a wonder kid as you could imagine.

I’d say his standout traits are his strength on the ball, powerful running, and his intelligence. He hasn’t been given time to show it at Spurs, but even in a couple of his few performance those attributes have been clear as day to me.

He seems to lack a bit of confidence generally and seems a bit shy which could be an issue, but you could have said the same about Bale back in the day. In fact this entire situation reminds me exactly of Bale, none of us knew at the time the player lurking under the surface.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

I think you’re opening sentence is not a true reflection of what people are saying re all three players.

Re Aurier, I think most recognise we should do better but want us to be careful what we wish for as there seems to be some kind of catch with most potential replacements. He’s also impressed people with his handling of personal tragedy at the end of the season.

Re Sessegnon, the overriding sentiment appears to be that he needs game time but we need to improve, if he just stays and doesn’t play he’ll be in danger of not developing, he doesn’t seem to be solid enough for left back while he has currently superior players ahead of him at left wing, so loaning him somewhere he could develop seems the best way to help him progress and is too.

Re Ndombele, the sense I get is that most would rather he stays and fulfills his potential but he seems to want the move and so people are suggesting that at £10m per year salary and with a potential fee that could cover much of our other transfer business, keeping him is at this stage a a gamble.

One thing to consider with Ndombele is the fact that if we do swap him for Skriniar then what would happen to his position.
Would we have to buy a replacement? That would involve big money surely.
Would we play Lo Celso alongside Hojbjerg? We would still have Sissoko and Winks and Fernandes,therefore having sufficient numbers in central midfield ,not sufficient quality perhaps.

 

[emiley heskey]

One thing to consider with Ndombele is the fact that if we do swap him for Skriniar then what would happen to his position.
Would we have to buy a replacement? That would involve big money surely.
Would we play Lo Celso alongside Hojbjerg? We would still have Sissoko and Winks and Fernandes,therefore having sufficient numbers in central midfield ,not sufficient quality perhaps.

May be dele will compete with lamela/brooks(if we buy him) for number 10 role and lo celso, winks and sissoko will compete for number 8 role ...

 

[markt]

Really hope this kid kicks on. I do worry a little about his mentality, but he has shown glimpses of quality.

I just worry he is quiet and lacking confidence and may just shrink into the background. However, I do think he has the potential to be a great attacking full back.

 

[joey55]

I’d say his standout traits are his strength on the ball, powerful running, and his intelligence. He hasn’t been given time to show it at Spurs, but even in a couple of his few performance those attributes have been clear as day to me.

He seems to lack a bit of confidence generally and seems a bit shy which could be an issue, but you could have said the same about Bale back in the day. In fact this entire situation reminds me exactly of Bale, none of us knew at the time the player lurking under the surface.

I agree with you, those are his stand out attributes. But I don't think those are the attributes of a wonder kid. I realize by the time we signed him, his stock had fallen quite a bit and he was no longer seen as a "special talent'" but I always found it odd that he got so hyped in the first place. He;s just clearly not a Sancho or Sterling level talent, yet for a time, he was seen as the next big thing in English football.

Personally I don't see a Bale under the surface, as Bale always had the left foot, which could propel him to elite level. Bale's first games for Spurs showed he had special potential, before his injury. 3 goals in 8 games at 18 years old, including a FK in the derby. As an attacking wide player at least, the key attributes Sessegnon has, just aren't enough to be a major success in the Prem. He's got what's needed to succeed at LB, but I think it's far from guaranteed he will, as it's a very tough position to get right. To be honest, I don't see much difference between him and KWP. Obviously he's younger so has time to develop further, but KWP seems to have done better at Southampton than Sess did at Fulham, in the Prem.

 

[MB31spurs]

Certainly not the next bale but definitely worth keeping- needs minutes and minutes should definitely be available this coming season particularly in the cups. Also need to help keep the HG quota up in coming seasons!

 

[razzmaster]

Did anyone else watch him playing for Fulham, in The Championship, when he scored a lot of goals, at just 17 years old and think he just doesn't look that talented?

I'm not saying he didn't look like a decent young player, but at the time, he was being hyped as a wonder kid, but he did always seem to be severely lacking in stand out attributes. It's not like he was showing the touch Berbatov or the dribbling of Hazard, but just needed time to develop. If you watch Jadon Sancho or Raheem Sterling at kids, it's blindingly obvious they have incredible talent and it's just a question of realizing that potential. The same in true of Marcus Edwards. When you watched Bale's FK's at Southampton, it was clear that his left foot was a wand. With Sessegnon it was always a bit meh. There are no great highlight videos of his amazing skills! There was just his goals compilations and a few full match, all his touches videos and they didn't exactly make you think "wow!" That's a bit odd for a kid so hyped, playing as an attacking player.

Other than his goals and physical development, there was nothing special about Sessegnon's game. And the goals he was scoring, just didn't translate to the Premier League. If you want to score double figures in the Prem, from a wide forward position, you have to be insanely fast and be capable from distance. Salah's best asset is his insane acceleration. Sonny has proven he's a threat from anywhere and Bale couldn't be allowed to cut in, even from distance. That's just the incredible level needed to score lots in the Prem. Good, solid, timing of your runs, which Sessegnon showed, is never going to be enough. A youngster has to show he has some uber ability to cut it at the highest level in an attacking wide role.

So, though people often talk of his "potential," personally, as a wide player, I never thought the potential was there. I can see why Mou see's him as a FB, as he's got attributes to be successful there. He's athletic, can provide good delivery, has shown he can time his rums well and is an intelligent player. But I don't think he's an absolute banker to make it in the Prem. I think because of the goals he scored, at a young age, a lot of people think it's just a matter of time. I think he's got a lot of work to do. I'm optimistic as he has the tools and I know by the time we signed him, the hype had significantly died down, but his status as a 17 year old, always amazed me. Same is true of Reece Oxford who, other than being really big for is age, seemed about as uninspiring a wonder kid as you could imagine.

I think the fact that Ryan hasn't got amazing dribbling skills, isn't lightning fast, isn't the biggest and doesn't smash goals in from 25 yards but still managed to score 15 goals and was football league poty as a 17yr old speaks volumes about him.

If you can post those numbers at that age then you have clearly got something.

He is a very intelligent player who is productive rather than being spectacular and as such is easy to dismiss as he doesn't look like a worldie on his youtube videos.

I would rather someone with a footballing brain over a show pony any day.

Hopefully he stays injury free and gets a chance under Jose as I am convinced that he will turn into a top class left back once he feels like he belongs at Spurs.

 

[morris25]

He was a big mistake, he isn't a top player and doesn't have the attributes to be either a great winger or LB.
Sell and move on

 

[archiewasking]

I think the fact that Ryan hasn't got amazing dribbling skills, isn't lightning fast, isn't the biggest and doesn't smash goals in from 25 yards but still managed to score 15 goals and was football league poty as a 17yr old speaks volumes about him.

If you can post those numbers at that age then you have clearly got something.

He is a very intelligent player who is productive rather than being spectacular and as such is easy to dismiss as he doesn't look like a worldie on his youtube videos.

I would rather someone with a footballing brain over a show pony any day.

Hopefully he stays injury free and gets a chance under Jose as I am convinced that he will turn into a top class left back once he feels like he belongs at Spurs.

What concerns me though is that Jose has been praising Cirkin to the skies. If he really thinks that, I struggle to see how Ryan forces his way in.

 

[razzmaster]

What concerns me though is that Jose has been praising Cirkin to the skies. If he really thinks that, I struggle to see how Ryan forces his way in.

Jose has also praised Skipp but is ready to send him out on loan.

I have a feeling it might be the same for Cirkin.

I hope so anyway as I think Sess will be a huge success if given a chance.

In 2 seasons time we could have our left back position sorted for years to come.