Player Watch: Marcus Edwards

[Univarn]

Yeah I agree he'd get battered by most PL teams, but it couldn't hurt to give him the odd few minutes when the game is won. Last year at WHL would have been the perfect opportunity as we were often coasting in the last half an hour of game ( never thought I'd say that after a lifetime of supporting Spurs).

Edwards will never be buff but he does need to learn how to use his physicality to beat players at the next level. You don't always have to be the toughest but if you're not you need to be smarter. I hope once they deem him fully fit he'll be back in the fold. I personally, and willing to be wrong, think we are wasting time trying to make a PL player out of GKN when Edwards is not too far behind him just less experienced.

 

[coys200]

I Don't see Edwards as being slight.in fact think he will really fill out,for 18 he has quite a stocky build.much more so than say a Carrol or mason.was just saying in youth thread ,difference between Kane at 18 and now muscle wise is enourmous.I actually think he may have grown a little bit as well.Dont think physique will be as much of an issues as I thought it might be.

 

[eViL]

think we are wasting time trying to make a PL player out of GKN when Edwards is not too far behind him

GKN is a winger, Edwards is a No.10.

I think people are too quick to write off GKN at the moment.

 

[Univarn]

GKN is a winger, Edwards is a No.10.

I think people are too quick to write off GKN at the moment.

My thoughts on GKN aren't really for this thread so I'll phrase this way: we don't play with wingers so much as capable wide players who can cut across the middle and are comfortable anywhere along the front. Edwards often does this (see his higlights vs. Dortmund). GKN sticks to the touchline. Never bad to have options and maybe he is coached to do that but Edwards seems far more equipped. Of course we have lots of competitions and chances but our best results come when we don't make wholesale changes.

 

[newbie]

My thoughts on GKN aren't really for this thread so I'll phrase this way: we don't play with wingers so much as capable wide players who can cut across the middle and are comfortable anywhere along the front. Edwards often does this (see his higlights vs. Dortmund). GKN sticks to the touchline. Never bad to have options and maybe he is coached to do that but Edwards seems far more equipped. Of course we have lots of competitions and chances but our best results come when we don't make wholesale changes.

True, but I think we are short on attacking options, Ali, Son, Eriksen I think ther is room for edwards as understudy.

 

[Tucker]

a few other clips that some may have missed if they don't look in the youth thread -

freekick vs holland

penalty win vs holland

goal vs man utd

assist vs czech republic

Thanks for the heads up. However one of my biggest pet peeves is when people say "win a penalty" Penalties are not there to be won. That encourages diving which is a plague upon the game. The sooner that's cut out of the game the better.

 

[Gbspurs]

Thanks for the heads up. However one of my biggest pet peeves is when people say "win a penalty" Penalties are not there to be won. That encourages diving which is a plague upon the game. The sooner that's cut out of the game the better.

Depends on your viewpoint. Winning a penalty can sometimes be down to positive running which should be rewarded.

 

[Tucker]

Depends on your viewpoint. Winning a penalty can sometimes be down to positive running which should be rewarded.

Nah, you're never given a penalty unless someone actually fouls you. Positive running or not. There always has to be an offence. It shouldn't be seen as a victory that a penalty is awarded, because a) someone has committed a foul, or b) someone has dived.

I can see your point, but when you start talking about winning penalties, kids start thinking that diving in the box is something to be rewarded. I'm constantly telling my nephews off about it. Does my head in.

 

[guiltyparty]

Thanks for the heads up. However one of my biggest pet peeves is when people say "win a penalty" Penalties are not there to be won. That encourages diving which is a plague upon the game. The sooner that's cut out of the game the better.

Jamie Vardy politely disagrees

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

He clearly has bags of talent. Hope he can make the step up to the first team, would be great to see a player with those types of skills running out for us.

 

[Saoirse]

Nah, you're never given a penalty unless someone actually fouls you. Positive running or not. There always has to be an offence. It shouldn't be seen as a victory that a penalty is awarded, because a) someone has committed a foul, or b) someone has dived.

I can see your point, but when you start talking about winning penalties, kids start thinking that diving in the box is something to be rewarded. I'm constantly telling my nephews off about it. Does my head in.

With all respect, I've got to disagree with you here. Absolutely get what you mean about diving - that isn't something we should ever encourage. But that's not what's being talked about here. It's the ability to make intelligent runs and turns, be fleet of foot and have a strong awareness of the game with the result being that you're more likely to draw fouls. A penalty is a roughly 80% chance to score at the top level, which is far better than the vast majority of shots you can get off - ergo, forcing a defensive error which leads to a foul in the box is vastly better than getting a shot away. A key example would be Son against West Ham at home last year. He 100% did not dive, but his quick footwork led to him being brought down by a dumb and panicking defender when he wasn't in anything like a good position to score. That's not cheating as far as I'm concerned, it's intelligent play and a real advantage.

 

[coys200]

Just watching magical messi program on sky.literally transfixed,if he turns out half as good ,will be greatest player to ever wear a spurs shirt.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Thanks for the heads up. However one of my biggest pet peeves is when people say "win a penalty" Penalties are not there to be won. That encourages diving which is a plague upon the game. The sooner that's cut out of the game the better.

Penalties are won, imo.

Players can create penalties by getting in the box, and forcing defenders to make mistakes. It does not have to be a "dive" - but putting pressure on defenders is a useful skill - because if the defenders are worried about committing a foul - then they back off a step, and leave spaces available to exploit...

 

[Johnny J]

Edwards will never be buff but he does need to learn how to use his physicality to beat players at the next level. You don't always have to be the toughest but if you're not you need to be smarter. I hope once they deem him fully fit he'll be back in the fold. I personally, and willing to be wrong, think we are wasting time trying to make a PL player out of GKN when Edwards is not too far behind him just less experienced.

Fully fit? Is he injured again?

 

[Clark28]

he dribbles as though the ball is glued to his boot, and can turn on a dime.

no wonder he wins so many fouls

 

[Shadydan]

Penalties are won, imo.

Players can create penalties by getting in the box, and forcing defenders to make mistakes. It does not have to be a "dive" - but putting pressure on defenders is a useful skill - because if the defenders are worried about committing a foul - then they back off a step, and leave spaces available to exploit...

Agree with that and there is a very thin lime between winning a penalty and diving, winning a penalty is a skill if it's done correctly and within the rules of the game where as a blatant dive is out and out cheating.

 

[SugarRay]

Just watching magical messi program on sky.literally transfixed,if he turns out half as good ,will be greatest player to ever wear a spurs shirt.

The Messi comparisons probably need to be stopped. It's not fair on Edwards. He really isn't the next Messi.

 

[glospur]

The Messi comparisons probably need to be stopped. It's not fair on Edwards. He really isn't the next Messi.

No one's really saying he is.

Comparing style of play =/= comparing players

 

[Tucker]

Penalties are won, imo.

Players can create penalties by getting in the box, and forcing defenders to make mistakes. It does not have to be a "dive" - but putting pressure on defenders is a useful skill - because if the defenders are worried about committing a foul - then they back off a step, and leave spaces available to exploit...

That's a completely different thing though. That's not giving a penalty away is it. I'm not arguing that skilful players don't put pressure on defenders. But you never win a foul. It's incorrect terminology, and like it or not it does encourage diving which is frankly a cancer on the game.

When I think of defenders being put under pressure in the box, the only winning I want to be thinking about is either wonderful tackles like the one Vertonghen made on Wednesday night, or the legendary one King made on Arjen Robben. That's winning.

Or perhaps attakers using their skill to actually create a magical goal, or even perchance score one like Ricky Villa in 81.

That's winning in the box. Not running into space in the hopes that some clod hopper will stick a leg out so that you can go down.

 

[IGSpur]

No one's really saying he is.

Comparing style of play =/= comparing players

The issue arises is when most people can't distinguish the two and people are upset he isn't scoring 60 goals a season.

It's when I first noticed the similarity I had to add the caveat, before people instantly started claiming they're being overhyped. I think the similarities are obvious, though someone pointed out he also looks similar to Lamela which I can definitely see. Especially how he comes in on his left and tries to hold people off