Player Watch Player Watch: James Maddison

[Jules77]

It's part of the process of how you value a player though. You value a player differently if they have 1 year on their contract. Some clubs can just pay and not worry but it's not how we operate. You have to consider whether it's worth paying 60m now if there's a chance you could have them free next summer. Like is 60m for the sake of 1 season worth it to the club? I doubt we would do it. This is why we negotiate because he has 1 year on his contract and his team got relegated so we use it as leverage.

But he won’t be available for free next summer. No way Maddison plays next season for Leicester.

 

[cliff jones]

Wasn’t the point I was replying to.

and yes, I think we would in the right circumstance (and I’m not saying this is it). The year left only works in a no demand environment or seller in distress.

In our accounting it makes zero difference how long a player had left. It’s only relevance is somebody might feel like they got a good deal.

the seller can be said here to be in some distress, no?

 

[cookiemonster]

the seller can be said here to be in some distress, no?

The little one thought Aston Villa was in distress too

Look what happened

 

[olliec]

The media noise is there because they know we want him, but baldy wants to pay the same for players that he did back in 2008. He just can not change. Atleast not after the Ndombele scandal.

he will insist on 30 max plus some addons,. Same thing every year, we refuse to pay the extra just for us to get a non proven shit that will cost us more 2 years down the road, it will never change until Enic is gone....

This is what I feel, but let’s actually see if he does first.

 

[olliec]

We're a very, very rich football club. I'm surprised how many spurs fans on here seem to worry more about protecting the club's finances than they do about getting the right players in place.

Rich club with the highest paid chairman!

 

[spursfan77]

I think the longer it goes on with him not signing for a team the more likelier it is. Leicester will want some money for him and start to get twitchy if he’s still sat there in August.

 

[dontcallme]

At the moment there is a long time to go in the window. At this stage Leicester can look for a high fee for a player like Maddison.

It is a risky game to play as they must know it's best for all parties if he goes. Same as Brentford with Raya.

Many posters are obsessed with us getting deals done early. Unless we put in a stupid offer, this deal can't be done early. Leicester are currently in negotiation mode, believing they're going to get a very high fee. Time will tell if they do. Same with Brentford and Raya.

 

[cliff jones]

The little one thought Aston Villa was in distress too

Look what happened

I’ll give you that. Leicester are in a bit of trouble though having dropped and I read with FFP… and unlike the biggest bullies they might not get away with it

 

[Mediocrates]

I think the amount the Man U deal for Mount gets done at will dictate what we end up bidding for Maddison. Mount is younger, with more champions league and international experience so his fee will likely be higher but it will be a good reference point. Seems like Chelsea are demanding 58m+ so £50m does feel right for Maddison.

Indeed. I’d have thought that the above plus the fact that Chelsea weren’t relegated and can afford to let Mount walk would mean the difference in fee should be more than that though, personally.

 

[Cel]

United can’t afford Mount…. Who is cheaper. Just putting it out there

I'm sure they could if they wanted - they likely think he's overpriced. And they are right, can sign likely some of the worlds best midfielders for c. 60m when shopping outside England, and Mount isn't one of them.

 

[dontcallme]

I'm sure they could if they wanted - they likely think he's overpriced. And they are right, can sign likely some of the worlds best midfielders for c. 60m when shopping outside England, and Mount isn't one of them.

Exactly. If a genuine world class player became available for £60m, Utd would be able to find the cash. Even the biggest clubs look for value to an extent.

 

[Cel]

Exactly. If a genuine world class player became available for £60m, Utd would be able to find the cash. Even the biggest clubs look for value to an extent.

Am assuming the only hold up in UTd splashing the cash like normal is finding out who is signing the cheques anyway. Guessing not a lot moves until that takeover completes.

 

[dontcallme]

Am assuming the only hold up in UTd splashing the cash like normal is finding out who is signing the cheques anyway. Guessing not a lot moves until that takeover completes.

True, but unless a player is their number one target they won't just spend stupid money on a player for the sake of it.

 

[olliec]

I think the longer it goes on with him not signing for a team the more likelier it is. Leicester will want some money for him and start to get twitchy if he’s still sat there in August.

And miss out on preseason with the team? Is that really worth it?

 

[rawhide]

And miss out on preseason with the team? Is that really worth it?

Do we have a choice if he’s currently more than we are willing to pay?

 

[olliec]

Do we have a choice if he’s currently more than we are willing to pay?

Yup! the choice is we look elsewhere. Missing out on pre season will interrupt our plans massively. We need everyone together before pre season starts.

 

[BENNO]

Yup! the choice is we look elsewhere. Missing out on pre season will interrupt our plans massively. We need everyone together before pre season starts.

In an ideal world you are obviously correct. But there are very very few clubs able to get all there main business done before pre season, and even as a CL side we weren't one of them.

There is a massive change going on at our club with a complete 360 on playing style, so i'd worry far more about getting the right players in at some point this window, rather than getting all our business done early - it's going to take time to bed this system in and see us at our best and while a pre season together will obviously help, this is a long term project which i'd expect to need 2 summer windows to really see us flourishing, the squad is all over the place for a 4-3-3 system, it's next to impossible to sort it out in one go some a long term view (and patience) will be needed.

 

[KingNick]

the seller can be said here to be in some distress, no?

Where did I say they weren’t? But that wasn’t the point being made.
I was just saying there will only be an effect from only having one year left in certain circumstances.

the Leicester situation is more complex than just they are relegated so must be in trouble. It comes down to what their owners want to do with the club post-Vichai and how well their business has recovered post-covid.

some people seem to think that having one year automatically means the play’s price must get discounted. Where there’s competing bidders that isn’t necessarily true. Simple principles of supply and demand.

there are also examples of clubs keeping players for the final year and losing our financially because the player is worth more to them than money in the bank.

 

[KingNick]

Yup! the choice is we look elsewhere. Missing out on pre season will interrupt our plans massively. We need everyone together before pre season starts.

Exactly. And there’s no guarantee we get him by the end of the window anyway. So we could have double negative impact: No Maddison and whoever we get instead has had no pre season with us.

 

[Cel]

True, but unless a player is their number one target they won't just spend stupid money on a player for the sake of it.

Yea, don't disagree - think both are true. They wont overspend, but haven't spent on anyone yet due to the takeover. Original response was saying Man utd couldn't afford Mount