Player Watch - Jack Clarke signed for Sunderland

[Ashley1974]

Should be kept and given minutes in the European conference

it's not enough football. We must learn to loan out every player that isn't in the first team.

If Jack Clark goes to, say, Brentford and rips it up, Spurs benefit in 2 ways. 1) his value goes up and 2) he gets better

if at the end of that his new level is enough for our first team, we have saved money on buying a replacement (or make money by selling a current first teamer to make space for him).

we MUST loan out these players.

 

[EQP]

Loans are not helping him!!!?

I respectfully disagree, Herc. Unless we get rid of Lucas, Lamela and possibly Dele, there's little chance that Clarke will be in contention for those vital development minutes he needs. His best run of form since leaving Leeds was the loan at Stoke where he played 14 times, which when compared to the 4 times that he's played for the Spurs 1st team, is pretty bad for a 20 year old. Let him get another year out on loan to fill out like Skipp and more importantly, get back to that vibrant, high energy style of play that he showed at Leeds which led to us taking a chance on him.

 

[Hercules]

Personally I would sell him, if we are still unsure about him. I did initially have high hopes for him. But from a commercial and business pov, we are not doing him absolutely any favours. Dear I say it; if we are unsure sell him! Can’t be doing another 12 months. It is absolute madness. And knowing how directors moaning about their investments, just does not make sense another loan.

 

[savesbydre]

Personally olibanum industry about him.

Same

 

[Ashley1974]

Personally olibanum industry about him. I did initially have high hopes for him. But from a commercial and business pov, we are not doing him absolutely any favours. Dear I say it; if we are unsure sell him! Can’t be doing another 12 months. It is absolute madness. And knowing how directors moaning about their investments, just does not make sense another loan.

I already explained how loans DO make sense. We wont get much for him if we sell him today, as he’s been out of the playing spotlight for a season and a half.

Loan him out and if he swims, we win (his value goes up/ he becomes ready for the 1st team). If he doesn’t, we’re no worse off than we are today.

And this applies to any and all players who are not going to be first team regulars.

 

[joey55]

I think he's a really good player. In my opinion, people make way too much of his age thing are far too little is focused on physical maturity. Clark is no Marcus Rashford or Ryan Babel physically. If you are going to break through as an attacking player, at a young age, in top level football, you nearly always need to be really fast or physically strong (usually both.) I'm one of the few people who wants Skipp to go out on loan to a Prem club for a season and it's so easy to see he's got the mental and technical ability to be a top quality DM. When you watch his game, it's not in need of massive development, what he needs to is prove himself playing at Prem speed and I think to do that, it's better to play as much as possible. In the long run, I think we benefit way more by sending him out on loan. I see the same with Clark, only he needs even more time. Clark has got all the attributes needed to make it at the top, as an attacking player, but he's not anywhere near as physically suited to it as Raheem Sterling was at only 17. It's way harder to bully kid who can burst past you with electric pace.

No one had even heard of Damsgaard until recently and even this past season, he only scored twice. But he's obviously improving rapidly, at a later stage, than many more physical youngsters do. I think the same argument could have been made for KWP. He had some pace, but wasn't exactly electric. He got destroyed by Antonio and looked like he'd never make it in the Prem, despite having all the attributes. Then, from consistent game time, he's had a real break through at 23.

 

[Hercules]

Same

Yeh! I deserved that. Not good to type whilst multitasking ?

 

[kremlyn]

I thought he did well at Stoke?

He's such an elegant player but a bit lightweight at the moment. Really reminds me of a young Darren Anderton.

I hope we keep him, one way or another.

 

[Yiddo100]

A team like Sunderland on loan would be good for him, League 1 so he should shine and a fair bit of pressure on him

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I thought he did well at Stoke?

He's such an elegant player but a bit lightweight at the moment. Really reminds me of a young Darren Anderton.

I hope we keep him, one way or another.

If you're a Stoke fan, he did & was very much appreciated.

However, it appears, if you're a Spurs fan, this 20 year old kid needs to be made to walk naked down Seven Sisters Road while being pelted with rotten fruit & veg before being sent to the gallows.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche on here, and is said time & time again. But we don't have to look too far back in our memories to remember another 18/19/20 year old lad bouncing around the likes of Leyton Orient, Millwall, Norwich & Leicester City, not setting the world alight at any of those clubs, with many people proclaiming he will never make the grade at a club with our aspirations & should be sold.

That lad worked hard, ignored what people had to say & backed himself when the majority (of supporters) had already written him off & wanted him sold so we could sign true quality like Benteke or Berahino.

I'm obviously more than aware that not every 20 year old will have the same outcome, and I'm not suggesting for one second that Clarke will hit anywhere near the heights that our National Captain has reached.

But hopefully my point has come across.

Just like Kane, Clarkes loans don't appear (to some of you) to have exactly done him any favours, or shown exactly what type of talent the club has on its hands. But that doesn't mean the talent & ability aren't there.

It could just be a case of being in the right environment, surrounded by the right players & coaching staff to allow him to flourish.

Bloody hell, It's not even been 3 years since the lad made his full pro debut, a debut that was given to him by a fella called Bielsa, who many would happily have had as our manager, and apparently knows a thing or two about the game and the players within it.

Sorry for the long post (and I'm not looking for an argument).

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Personally I would sell him, if we are still unsure about him. I did initially have high hopes for him. But from a commercial and business pov, we are not doing him absolutely any favours. Dear I say it; if we are unsure sell him! Can’t be doing another 12 months. It is absolute madness. And knowing how directors moaning about their investments, just does not make sense another loan.

Problem is hes not worth barely anything off the back of 2 unsuccessful loans.

Best thing is to try and get him a loan were hes more or less guaranteed to start, then look to sell.

 

[PLTuck]

Did more in 25 mins today than Steve B did in 65 FWIW.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Play the kids and he’ll improve rapidly.

 

[Blake Griffin]

If you're a Stoke fan, he did & was very much appreciated.

However, it appears, if you're a Spurs fan, this 20 year old kid needs to be made to walk naked down Seven Sisters Road while being pelted with rotten fruit & veg before being sent to the gallows.

I know it's become a bit of a cliche on here, and is said time & time again. But we don't have to look too far back in our memories to remember another 18/19/20 year old lad bouncing around the likes of Leyton Orient, Millwall, Norwich & Leicester City, not setting the world alight at any of those clubs, with many people proclaiming he will never make the grade at a club with our aspirations & should be sold.

That lad worked hard, ignored what people had to say & backed himself when the majority (of supporters) had already written him off & wanted him sold so we could sign true quality like Benteke or Berahino.

I'm obviously more than aware that not every 20 year old will have the same outcome, and I'm not suggesting for one second that Clarke will hit anywhere near the heights that our National Captain has reached.

But hopefully my point has come across.

Just like Kane, Clarkes loans don't appear (to some of you) to have exactly done him any favours, or shown exactly what type of talent the club has on its hands. But that doesn't mean the talent & ability aren't there.

It could just be a case of being in the right environment, surrounded by the right players & coaching staff to allow him to flourish.

Bloody hell, It's not even been 3 years since the lad made his full pro debut, a debut that was given to him by a fella called Bielsa, who many would happily have had as our manager, and apparently knows a thing or two about the game and the players within it.

Sorry for the long post (and I'm not looking for an argument).

he started 6 of 15 games and got one assist, i wouldn't say he "did well" exactly, he was ok.

whilst clarke is young and will hopefully deliver on his apparent potential, we did pay 11m for him, quite a sizeable outlay for a player who at the time had only four championship starts to his name. skipp is the same age and just excelled at the same level, quickly making himself undroppable for the best team in the league. i would be hoping for similar from clarke but as of now he's had three loans and none of them particularly impressive. as for kane, i do think history gets rewritten a bit with regards to his loans. he did well with both orient and millwall, hence why he earned himself a pl move with norwich but then a month later he breaks his foot and he struggled after that.

townsend is probably a better comparison, didn't do much at most of his loans but then stepped up well with qpr and then with us for a bit under avb. or rose who had three duff championship loans before excelling at sunderland. i don't know what the answer is for clarke but we could do with him showing a bit more than he has so far - whether with us or on loan.

 

[Lumiere]

I've not seen anything from him from any of his Spurs appearances to suggest he'll amount to anything more than a perfectly serviceable, hardworking, upper championship / lower prem quality player.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I've not seen anything from him from any of his Spurs appearances to suggest he'll amount to anything more than a perfectly serviceable, hardworking, upper championship / lower prem quality player.

51 combined minutes against LASK, Ludogorets and Marine with a mish mash of other youths and reserves… yup I’d say that’s enough to draw a conclusion like this ?

 

[kremlyn]

What is quite interesting about the lad is that he's a right footed right winger and it's pretty rare. Other than Sancho I can't think of many at the top level in the prem who play as wingers rather than AMs. I don't think we have had one since Lennon and they were good days.

 

[freeeki]

Interesting choice of tweet from the club today.

Might be nothing, but I would suspect that this is a strong hint that Clarke is very much in Nuno's plans for this season.

 

[sausage]

Interesting choice of tweet from the club today.

Might be nothing, but I would suspect that this is a strong hint that Clarke is very much in Nuno's plans for this season.

That team cockerel has gotten chopsy

 

[freeeki]

That team cockerel has gotten chopsy

I was trying to work out what creature that noise could possibly have come from, then I realised it was most likely Son