Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[Ronwol196061]

Not splitting hairs. Lo celso would be competition for both winks and eriksen. As would probably grealish and barkley. We were after ndombele last summer too.

Why would he be competition for Winks? First of all Winks has been somewhere between a CM and a quasi DM. He hasn't ventured up too much and he hasn't been a defensive stalwart,he has just been steady. Without NDombele,Winks would have been forced to play a more CM role a bit more forward than he has played but now with NDombele Im not sure it will work the same way.
Lo Celso looks much more of an AM to me and probably similar to where Grealish plays.
To pay 60 mil or whatever for NDombele and then a similar figure for Lo Celso if Eriksen signs and be light in other positions is madness. On the other hand if Eriksen goes Lo Celso would be as best a replacement as we could get.
Maybe levy his hedging his bet here but its a hell of a lot of money if Eriksen signs to have him sit on the bench. He could play him as a CM with Ndombele as a DM, maybe thats the plan and maybe that could work

 

[Lilbaz]

Why would he be competition for Winks? First of all Winks has been somewhere between a CM and a quasi DM. He hasn't ventured up too much and he hasn't been a defensive stalwart,he has just been steady. Without NDombele,Winks would have been forced to play a more CM role a bit more forward than he has played but now with NDombele Im not sure it will work the same way.
Lo Celso looks much more of an AM to me and probably similar to where Grealish plays.
To pay 60 mil or whatever for NDombele and then a similar figure for Lo Celso if Eriksen signs and be light in other positions is madness. On the other hand if Eriksen goes Lo Celso would be as best a replacement as we could get.
Maybe levy his hedging his bet here but its a hell of a lot of money if Eriksen signs to have him sit on the bench. He could play him as a CM with Ndombele as a DM maybe that's the plan

It depends what combination in midfield he uses. If dier is in the middle with winks, winks would be more advanced than if he's with ndombele.
The whole point is it gives us options and they are versatile.

 

[Ronwol196061]

They want €75M and we will only pay €60Mish.

Not too many people agree with me but I think Levy is probably hedging his bet with Eriksen here

 

[Ronwol196061]

It depends what combination in midfield he uses. If dier is in the middle with winks, winks would be more advanced than if he's with ndombele.
The whole point is it gives us options and they are versatile.

I think versatility is there now if Eriksen stays

 

[midoNdefoe]

I like this news so will choose to believe it.

Plus I’m on holiday and BA lost my and all my family’s luggage yesterday so I need cheering up!

Ah man, that sounds shit - what a fucking time to lose it! Didn’t you have and original Picasso in there?!? Fuckers!

 

[Flashspur]

I think the hedging his bets point is quite interesting @Ronwol196061 . But i would attribute that to Poch rather than Levy.

Personally i thought that Ndombele was the must have signing and GLC was an Eriksen replacement although ITK stated one wasnt dependent on the other. Another option is that GLC is cover for both Winks and Eriksen. The guy has played CM and Emery even had him as a DM for a few PSG games. That would cover Winks and in his AM role he covers Eriksen. Admitedly GLC's skill is his short passing game in tight areas playing off the strikers and wing forwards whereas Eriksen has a better long passing game through the channels.

Its all onions really. Hard to tell with this window. Info is still pretty tight around the club. Who knew Tripps was off to Atletico for example?

 

[SpartanSpur]

I think the hedging his bets point is quite interesting @Ronwol196061 . But i would attribute that to Poch rather than Levy.

Personally i thought that Ndombele was the must have signing and GLC was an Eriksen replacement although ITK stated one wasnt dependent on the other. Another option is that GLC is cover for both Winks and Eriksen. The guy has played CM and Emery even had him as a DM for a few PSG games. That would cover Winks and in his AM role he covers Eriksen. Admitedly GLC's skill is his short passing game in tight areas playing off the strikers and wing forwards whereas Eriksen has a better long passing game through the channels.

Its all onions really. Hard to tell with this window. Info is still pretty tight around the club. Who knew Tripps was off to Atletico for example?

Versatility is key. For my money GLC could play for us in CM3, #10 and even RF (Lamela style). Dropping £50m+ on a player not guaranteed a start makes a lot more sense when you look at it that way. Massive boost to quality squad depth.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Flashspur I agree NDombele was the must signing and I still think Lo Celso was an Eriksen replacement. Cant see Lo Celso as a DM,he looks too diminutive,but maybe the French league is different. Lo Celso as I mentioned above could play CM if NDombele was the DM.It could create a lot of fluidity in getting the ball forward quicker.
In the end at we paying lets say 65 mil for Lo Celso on spec knowing that Eriksen could leave next year. Im sure Levy is thinking about that right now

 

[Ronwol196061]

Versatility is key. For my money GLC could play for us in CM3, #10 and even RF (Lamela style). Dropping £50m+ on a player not guaranteed a start makes a lot more sense when you look at it that way. Massive boost to quality squad depth.

I think it makes sense but thought this is what you do after you fill all the holes in the reg team

 

[SpartanSpur]

I think it makes sense but thought this is what you do after you fill all the holes in the reg team

City won a PL title with Fabian Delph at LB. Their attacking depth was key. My guess is Poch thinks he can solve the FB problem creatively. I'll back him.

 

[Japhet]

Flashspur I agree NDombele was the must signing and I still think Lo Celso was an Eriksen replacement. Cant see Lo Celso as a DM,he looks too diminutive,but maybe the French league is different. Lo Celso as I mentioned above could play CM if NDombele was the DM.It could create a lot of fluidity in getting the ball forward quicker.
In the end at we paying lets say 65 mil for Lo Celso on spec knowing that Eriksen could leave next year. Im sure Levy is thinking about that right now

Ndombele isn't a DM. That whole role is becoming a bit redundant now anyway. LoCelso can play in CM but can also play at 10 or wide right and would bring a whole load of tactical and rotation options to the squad. Don't think GLC was ever viewed as a straight replacement for Eriksen.

 

[nikojev]

Ndombele basically fills the void left by Dembele leaving. If we buy GLC and sell Eriksen we're basically just plugging another hole. We need to add more quality, not just hover around the same level we're currently at.

If we finish this window with Ndombele, GLC and Sessegnon coming in, but Eriksen and Toby leaving we will have done a good job replacing some big losses. But when you add up and subtract everything, the only quality that we will actually have added is Sessegnon.

Is that enough to push us right to the top, or will we still be a bit city and pool but ahead of the rest?

 

[felmani26]

I personally thought Ceballos was the player contingent on Eriksen leaving, not Lo Celso.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Lo Celso is clearly a player we have targeted in the Grealish mould. Someone who can play CM/CAM or AM and has nothing to do with Eriksen leaving.

Grealish wasn't going to sign last summer to replace Eriksen, neither is Lo Celso imo.

Ceballos or Zaniolo are the potential options to replace Eriksen.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Ndombele isn't a DM. That whole role is becoming a bit redundant now anyway. LoCelso can play in CM but can also play at 10 or wide right and would bring a whole load of tactical and rotation options to the squad. Don't think GLC was ever viewed as a straight replacement for Eriksen.

First of all NDombele played DM at Lyon.
He can play any of those positions but it wasn't an answer in itself as it was based on Lo Celso coming and Eriksen being the AM.It was another option.
For me Lo Celso looks like more of an AM. How is Lo Celsos tackling?

 

[Ronwol196061]

City won a PL title with Fabian Delph at LB. Their attacking depth was key. My guess is Poch thinks he can solve the FB problem creatively. I'll back him.

Yes but City are a team with a myriad of stars.If they has a weaker player that's no the end of the world.Our double team didn't have all stars. The backs we ok not the best,Dyson was not a world class player,Les Allen wasn't a household name.
We have Kane Son Moura Dele Lamela and Eriksen and would have Lo Celso too

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

First of all NDombele played DM at Lyon.
He can play any of those positions but it wasn't an answer in itself as it was based on Lo Celso coming and Eriksen being the AM.It was another option.
For me Lo Celso looks like more of an AM. How is Lo Celsos tackling?

Sorry Ron, but Ndombele isn’t a DM and he never played DM for Lyon. Lucas Tousart is Lyon’s DM.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Lo Celso is clearly a player we have targeted in the Grealish mould. Someone who can play CM/CAM or AM and has nothing to do with Eriksen leaving.

Grealish wasn't going to sign last summer to replace Eriksen, neither is Lo Celso imo.

Ceballos or Zaniolo are the potential options to replace Eriksen.

No it's TRUE Grealish would not have been an Eriksen replacement and Lo Celso was a similar type but Grealish was around a 20 mil buy it so at that point not 60 or 70.
Also Dembele was gone and we needed more bodies in midfield and he would have been the de facto CM probably with two DMs behind him.
Now we have NDombele. He now is the CM.
With all the players we have now in front of NDombele do we need Lo Celso if Eriksen stays?

I accept that we need more creativity. 100% we do and I think either it's the system or it's the players but we should be getting more creativity out of Dele and Lamela (I know the injuries but they are not injured now)
Buying Lo Cemso has to me to be linked to Eriksen.
As I mentioned above we could play NDombele as the DM and LoCelso as the CM but I'm not sure in the defensive side of it works

 

[Ronwol196061]

Sorry Ron, but Ndombele isn’t a DM and he never played DM for Lyon. Lucas Tousart is Lyon’s DM.

Maybe they both played as DMs as we've done as times

 

[Ronwol196061]

Infact I watched their last game and def played in a DM position