Player Watch Player Watch: Dejan Kulusevski

[fishhhandaricecake]

Would give Danjuma a go instead of him and/or Richy ofc. Guy needs a rest and a kick up the bottom.
Also new tactics would help.

 

[midoshairband]

such a disappointment.

 

[joey55]

Why do we judge him on a relatively short period of form last season and not an extended period of poor form this season? He must have had periods of good form at Parma, but Juve had him for a longer period and weren't sufficiently impressed. I think he's a good player and I wanted us to sign him. But I do question if he's the best use of the £30 million needed to complete the transfer.

It's pretty arrogant to think Juve don't know that they've got a gem on their hands and to be good enough to play as one of the front 3, in a Premier League team, that wants to be in the CL and fighting for domestc honours, you have to be a gem.

One of the few things worth learning from George Graham, was that he said you should never sign players making a step down. He ignored that and signed Leonardson from Liverpool. But the point he was making does have some value. Obviously there are times when the giants of European football are unable to accomodate all the talent they have and there is real quality to be found in their cast offs. But I don't think Italian football is financially lucrative enough to have clubs like that. Juve are higher status than us and have way better chances of winning things and playing CL, but they are no Madrid or City etc anymore. Basically if Juve want to keep a player and Madrid come in for him, it's difficult. If they want to keep a player and a club of our stature come in for him, it's easy for them.

Short of the European giants, or financial elite (City and PSG), coming in and taking their best talent, have Juve sold a single player in the last decade that, with the benefit of hindsight, they'd be kicking themselves over? How often do any clubs do that? Have we done it? I don't remember a single case when we sold a player that we wouldn't rather keep, that went on to make us regret it. There is probably someone I'm missing, but I can't for the life of me remember a player that we sold to the likes of Palace, Bremen or Napoli etc that went on to show he was top 4 quality and our coaching staff somehow managed to miss it. I guess George Graham's point is that it's pretty unlikely that any set of top level coaches are going to fail to notice they have a world class talent of their hands and you pretty much have to be to succeed as a forward at the top of the Prem.

 

[ultimateloner]

Why do we judge him on a relatively short period of form last season and not an extended period of poor form this season? He must have had periods of good form at Parma, but Juve had him for a longer period and weren't sufficiently impressed. I think he's a good player and I wanted us to sign him. But I do question if he's the best use of the £30 million needed to complete the transfer.

It's pretty arrogant to think Juve don't know that they've got a gem on their hands and to be good enough to play as one of the front 3, in a Premier League team, that wants to be in the CL and fighting for domestc honours, you have to be a gem.

One of the few things worth learning from George Graham, was that he said you should never sign players making a step down. He ignored that and signed Leonardson from Liverpool. But the point he was making does have some value. Obviously there are times when the giants of European football are unable to accomodate all the talent they have and there is real quality to be found in their cast offs. But I don't think Italian football is financially lucrative enough to have clubs like that. Juve are higher status than us and have way better chances of winning things and playing CL, but they are no Madrid or City etc anymore. Basically if Juve want to keep a player and Madrid come in for him, it's difficult. If they want to keep a player and a club of our stature come in for him, it's easy for them.

Short of the European giants, or financial elite (City and PSG), coming in and taking their best talent, have Juve sold a single player in the last decade that, with the benefit of hindsight, they'd be kicking themselves over? How often do any clubs do that? Have we done it? I don't remember a single case when we sold a player that we wouldn't rather keep, that went on to make us regret it. There is probably someone I'm missing, but I can't for the life of me remember a player that we sold to the likes of Palace, Bremen or Napoli etc that went on to show he was top 4 quality and our coaching staff somehow managed to miss it. I guess George Graham's point is that it's pretty unlikely that any set of top level coaches are going to fail to notice they have a world class talent of their hands and you pretty much have to be to succeed as a forward at the top of the Prem.

VDV seems to be a counter example.

 

[joey55]

VDV seems to be a counter example.

I admit my posts are boring and long winded, so I wont ask you to read it more carefully, but that isn't a counter example.

 

[Jenko]

Well he's what, 22? Bags of potential. Shitty management. And now he's a bad buy?

Fuck off anyone who thinks that. You'll be booing him next !

The kids gonna be a star. An attacking manager who gives him what he needs would help.

 

[ultimateloner]

I admit my posts are boring and long winded, so I wont ask you to read it more carefully, but that isn't a counter example.

Not at all. I read your post in its entirety so I must be dumb to have missed your point.

I thought VDV was a counter-example to what Graham said (don't buy player moving down).
Similar thing as Adebayor (who was toxic though so less than VDV, but had better ability than our squad).

VDV is not a counter-example to the gist of your post; i.e: that we shouldn't judge players too soon and feel like a bigger club than ours dont know their stuff. They sold for a reason.

 

[joey55]

Not at all. I read your post in its entirety so I must be dumb to have missed your point.

I thought VDV was a counter-example to what Graham said (don't buy player moving down).
Similar thing as Adebayor (who was toxic though so less than VDV, but had better ability than our squad).

VDV is not a counter-example to the gist of your post; i.e: that we shouldn't judge players too soon and feel like a bigger club than ours dont know their stuff. They sold for a reason.

Ah I see, you were referring specifically to the Graham part. I said it wasn't a counter example because of what i wrote about the richest clubs not being able to accomodate all their talent.

 

[whenstevewentup]

It’s rare for so called ‘top class players’ to be very poor for long spells. He’s had plenty of first team experience at big clubs so being young is not an excuse but what I’m seeing at the moment is a player without pace getting knocked off the ball incredibly easily and the edge of the seat moments when he got the ball last season are getting less and less . 2 goals this season is an awful return from a wide forward. Don’t get me started on Richarlison !!!

 

[Whazam]

I think people should watch the first 20 min from the game again. He was absolute class. Then the whole team went off the rails and he barely saw the ball for the rest off the half.

He stood out as one of the best players in the beginning of the game. He did not stand out as one of the worst the rest of it (he was poor like most of them), so I can't understand why people are getting on his back for yesterday's performance.

He even had confidence enough to take several shots yesterday, millimeters from passing the block, which has been rare the last couple of months.

 

[slartibartfast]

I'll make my judgement next season when we're actually trying to play football.
I think we'll see the real Kulu back next season.

 

[Mediocrates]

Why do we judge him on a relatively short period of form last season and not an extended period of poor form this season? He must have had periods of good form at Parma, but Juve had him for a longer period and weren't sufficiently impressed. I think he's a good player and I wanted us to sign him. But I do question if he's the best use of the £30 million needed to complete the transfer.

It's pretty arrogant to think Juve don't know that they've got a gem on their hands and to be good enough to play as one of the front 3, in a Premier League team, that wants to be in the CL and fighting for domestc honours, you have to be a gem.

One of the few things worth learning from George Graham, was that he said you should never sign players making a step down. He ignored that and signed Leonardson from Liverpool. But the point he was making does have some value. Obviously there are times when the giants of European football are unable to accomodate all the talent they have and there is real quality to be found in their cast offs. But I don't think Italian football is financially lucrative enough to have clubs like that. Juve are higher status than us and have way better chances of winning things and playing CL, but they are no Madrid or City etc anymore. Basically if Juve want to keep a player and Madrid come in for him, it's difficult. If they want to keep a player and a club of our stature come in for him, it's easy for them.

Short of the European giants, or financial elite (City and PSG), coming in and taking their best talent, have Juve sold a single player in the last decade that, with the benefit of hindsight, they'd be kicking themselves over? How often do any clubs do that? Have we done it? I don't remember a single case when we sold a player that we wouldn't rather keep, that went on to make us regret it. There is probably someone I'm missing, but I can't for the life of me remember a player that we sold to the likes of Palace, Bremen or Napoli etc that went on to show he was top 4 quality and our coaching staff somehow managed to miss it. I guess George Graham's point is that it's pretty unlikely that any set of top level coaches are going to fail to notice they have a world class talent of their hands and you pretty much have to be to succeed as a forward at the top of the Prem.

How so? Have you been following what's going on at Juve? They're possibly an even bigger car crash than we are currently.

Is Bentancur also not good enough? I get that people are pissed off but to not see that the atmosphere at Spurs is as bad as it's been in a long time and that will be affecting the players is madness.

 

[cliff jones]

Just doesn’t seem to have regained what speed he has after his injury- looks laboured. Hopefully he can score or assist soon to lift his confidence, too. He got in some good positions in the early phase of the game yesterday but his shots were poor.

 

[dtxspurs]

We are tactically set up to be one of the least creative sides in the league. Blaming any player for looking bad in the attacking third is harsh. Can’t wait to see him in an offensive system.

Bingo. Son, Danjuma, Kane, Richarlison, etc. Doesn't matter. They're all going to be largely useless for most of the game in this setup.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

4-2-3-1

Play him as the 10 and watch him go

 

[dtxspurs]

Microcosm of why we suck.. Kulusevski gets a pass running towards goal 10 yards off the halfway line. By the time he gets to the box it’s 2 vs 7.

 

[mil1lion]

If we have to insist on 3 at the back I'd rather go 352 and play Son up with Kane. That could mean dropping Kulusevski to the bench in favour of Sarr in midfield. He needs to fight for his place again.

 

[McFlash]

I'm gonna hold fire on criticising any of our players too much at the moment because we, as a team, have been pretty fucking terrible this season.

Sticking to a system that clearly doesn't work for the personnel and then giving players grief, or calling them shit?
Not for me.

Players who have been excellent for us in the past have all had really bad seasons, with maybe the odd flash of brilliance here and there.

There's hardly a player thread in here where there isn't at least one poster calling them "shit" and it's no wonder the whole fanbase is becoming so bloody toxic.

 

[Ribble]

Short of the European giants, or financial elite (City and PSG), coming in and taking their best talent, have Juve sold a single player in the last decade that, with the benefit of hindsight, they'd be kicking themselves over?

I'd imagine they're regretting selling Pjanic and Romero right now!

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

When he receives the ball, he’s surrounded by 3-4 opponents with no one giving him an option to pass. Put in City or Arsenal team and he’ll be top draw.