Player Watch Player Watch: Brennan Johnson

[amathews3416]

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying he isn't worth £50million. Kulu cost us half of that after proving he had the ability to do it in the Premier league in his first 6 months. Johnson has thus far proved nothing more than he's a very good championship player.

You mention Kulu who has 7 goals and 4 assist over 1 1/2 seasons in the PL. Johnson had 8 goals and 3 assist on a much worse side who only scored 38 total goals. So how has Kulu proved it when Johnson matched his output playing with worse players in less games?

 

[philll]

He's not worth £50m but I can see a deal where we pay 15-20 and send a player or 2 the other way working.

 

[Trix]

You mention Kulu who has 7 goals and 4 assist over 1 1/2 seasons in the PL. Johnson had 8 goals and 3 assist on a much worse side who only scored 38 total goals. So how has Kulu proved it when Johnson matched his output playing with worse players in less games?

No I said Kulu had proved he could do it in the Prem in his first 6 months here and we only paid £25million.

That bit in bold is the key here. I have no issue with Johnson coming in if Ange wants him, I'm saying he isn't close to a £50million player.

Anyway that's enough from me in this thread as everything is starting to get twisted as the usual suspects assume their defensive positions.

 

[chas vs dave]

So just because we needed a wing back Spence was the best fit for the squad? We couldn't have bought someone else we'd scouted and others preferred to play that position and it had to be Spence? Sorry mate but if you can't see we've signed players because of a whole number of reasons other than they were the best possible player and fit we could get for that position I don't know what to tell you.

No, we do also base it on whatever deal we can get. Fully aware of that, and it's something I have criticised spurs/levy for in the past.

However, Johnson is someone we have been extensively scouting, and I feel its a bit different with Ange than conte. Ange will coach players and allow them to play to their strengths.

 

[Wick3d]

I have no issue with Johnson coming in if Ange wants him, I'm saying he isn't close to a £50million player.

Isn't that just the nature of the market though? The bottom and mid-level transfers have become inflated, and prices don't tend to go down these days.

 

[Trix]

Isn't that just the nature of the market though? The bottom and mid-level transfers have become inflated, and prices don't tend to go down these days.

No, not if you shop around.

 

[djhotspur]

There is no way Johnson is worth more than Maddison.

Maddison had a year left and Leicester got relegated.

 

[rjm14]

Trix, not everyone has to agree with you mate, game is about opinions.

 

[Wig]

We don't know the final fee but as it stands he sounds overpriced. But if Ange wants him I'd back him.

I think Ange wants to see distinct options in each position depending who we're up against or the stage in a game when he looks to the bench for a game-changer. Brennan's pace is definitely something he has over Deki

 

[mil1lion]

Kane's sale certainly attracts interest as we nolonger need to hear the who's gonna come to sit on the bench shite

A leap of faith is required with Johnson, who simply doesn't post the numbers- his attempted finish at the Goons when through at nil nil lingers in my head

I'm finding the reaction to that miss a bit funny though. Not sure why it gets mentioned. It's like bringing up the Fernandes miss against us if being linked with him.

 

[amathews3416]

I'm finding the reaction to that miss a bit funny though. Not sure why it gets mentioned. It's like bringing up the Fernandes miss against us if being linked with him.

Because they are concerned about the banter they will get from their Arsenal mates if we sign him.

 

[Trix]

Trix, not everyone has to agree with you mate, game is about opinions.

Not saying they do. I have no issue with a differing pov and that's why I was happy to engage with @chas vs dave over numerous posts.

I draw the line when my posts start getting twisted though, as it causes issues and in 3 or 4 months time someone will pipe up with "well I remember one of the ITK said *insert untrue twisted statement* I think it was Trix", and it causes issues.

And believe me that happens a lot more than you think

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

No I said Kulu had proved he could do it in the Prem in his first 6 months here and we only paid £25million.

That bit in bold is the key here. I have no issue with Johnson coming in if Ange wants him, I'm saying he isn't close to a £50million player.

Anyway that's enough from me in this thread as everything is starting to get twisted as the usual suspects assume their defensive positions.

I'd say that prices have increased quite a bit since we agreed that fee for Kulu due to Saudi influence and also Johnson has the homegrown PL tax added to his price.

That being said I agree he's not worth £50mil, £40mil at the very most but if Ange wants him and it means offsetting the cost so we pay say £20mil and get 1-2 players and their wages off our books which we don't need or want then decent deal.

 

[KingNick]

There is a massive point that no one seems to be factoring in and that is can Spurs transform him into something spectacular. That has to be carrying weight or else we will see us struggling to shift deadwood again in 3-5 years time. He may also come in and push Kulu to perform at a higher level which is a total win-win. We could also do way worse with rotation options if we happen to make a European competition next year. I've said it many times on here but the idea of a starting 11 is a cave brain take. We need to strive to get to a point where we can comfortably rotate options based off opposition, amongst other things.

Individually he doesn’t really even need to be that spectacular. He needs to be effective in Ange’s system. And compared to our existing players and those we have been linked with, I think he has all the tools and experience to do that. And
do it even better than he’s been doing it at Forest.

working “give and go” triangles with Maddison, and getting in behind will give us so much more than we’ve been able to show so far with our wide players lacking explosive pace.

he’s proven himself to be coachable, and is a good character (his dad is a top bloke who has kept him grounded).

No possible problems with settling in a new country to contend with either.

it doesn’t seems we Are even discussing a 50m cash deal. It will be lower cash or even lower cash and players. The latter obviously solves even more problems and could get us better value from players we’d probably only be able to shift on under value deals or loans.

struggling to see a downside.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Not saying they do. I have no issue with a differing pov and that's why I was happy to engage with @chas vs dave over numerous posts.

I draw the line when my posts start getting twisted though, as it causes issues and in 3 or 4 months time someone will pipe up with "well I remember one of the ITK said *insert untrue twisted statement* I think it was Trix", and it causes issues.

And believe me that happens a lot more than you think

To be fair I don't think your post was 'twisted', you tend to have very strong opinions which is fine passion is good but some will naturally have a different viewpoint, you said that Kulu proved in 6 months that he had the ability to do it in the PL but that "Johnson has thus far proved nothing more than he's a very good championship player". The poster was merely commenting that if you're saying Kulu proved he "had the ability to do it in the PL" then given that Johnson scored more goals than him in a worse side across a whole season last year then surely Johnson is more than "just a very good championship player".

 

[zonbon32]

Johnson is a decent to good player, but not suited to how we play IMO. Would be good for a counter-attacking side, but in a team who will more often than not come up against deeper defences he will struggle

 

[SCUMmucs]

You mention Kulu who has 7 goals and 4 assist over 1 1/2 seasons in the PL. Johnson had 8 goals and 3 assist on a much worse side who only scored 38 total goals. So how has Kulu proved it when Johnson matched his output playing with worse players in less games?

You know I was about to say 8 goals and 3 assists in the prem is not that bad. I feel like Haaland has skewed the worlds view on what a young player should be doing.

 

[chas vs dave]

Not saying they do. I have no issue with a differing pov and that's why I was happy to engage with @chas vs dave over numerous posts.

I draw the line when my posts start getting twisted though, as it causes issues and in 3 or 4 months time someone will pipe up with "well I remember one of the ITK said *insert untrue twisted statement* I think it was Trix", and it causes issues.

And believe me that happens a lot more than you think

Yep.

I could be wrong. So could you. It's really a matter of opinion and no one knows how players will do.

I haven't felt like there is any disrespect.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Who knows? Over the past few years we have brought in players for numerous other reasons than best fit for the squad, despite them being scouted.

Other than Spence, who else out of interest?

 

[arunspurs]

Johnson is a decent to good player, but not suited to how we play IMO. Would be good for a counter-attacking side, but in a team who will more often than not come up against deeper defences he will struggle

And how is that for certain ?
Teams he has been - Lincoln city, Forest, Wales dont play possession football.