Over half of Jewish Spurs fans in survey disagree with club’s attempt to stop Y-word

[mawspurs]

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust say 52 per cent of fans identifying as Jewish who completed their poll 'strongly disagreed or disagreed' with club's attempt to get their fans to 'move on' from using the Y-word

Source: Jewish News

 

[greaves]

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust say 52 per cent of fans identifying as Jewish who completed their poll 'strongly disagreed or disagreed' with club's attempt to get their fans to 'move on' from using the Y-word

Source: Jewish News

52/48. Where have I seen that before??

 

[Trix]

52/48. Where have I seen that before??

Half time in an NBA game?

 

[beuller]

52/48. Where have I seen that before??

Kulu's predicted goals and assists for the 22/23 season?

 

[greaves]

Kulu's predicted goals and assists for the 22/23 season?

Very good!

 

[Spawn]

What did the 48% break down as?

 

[Spawn]

Apologies read the article


52% of fans who identified as Jewish strongly disagreed or disagreed, with 30% agreeing.

Some 36% of all respondents strongly disagreed or disagreed, with 35% agreeing and 29% neither agreeing or disagreeing.

 

[Japhet]

Isn't the point that it's probably offensive to a huge majority of Jewish people who aren't Spurs supporters or have no interest in football? Our supporters have taken ownership of what is intrinsically a very offensive term to deflect it's effect. Doesn't work for anyone else though.

 

[whitesocks]

Of course that doesn't mean that the 30% of jewish fans were actually offended - they will all know the history of the chants.
But out of context, it is perhaps not a word they want in circulation and whatever the majority want perhaps consideration should be given to their view.

What will stick in the throat is that a hypocrite like baddiel will comment 'about time too', as he sits in a stand of fascists in their nazi shorts, hissing under their breath.

 

[cusop]

Of course that doesn't mean that the 30% of jewish fans were actually offended - they will all know the history of the chants.
But out of context, it is perhaps not a word they want in circulation and whatever the majority want perhaps consideration should be given to their view.

What will stick in the throat is that a hypocrite like baddiel will comment 'about time too', as he sits in a stand of fascists in their nazi shorts, hissing under their breath.

I understand exactly what you are saying. Without reading the article is there any delineation between armchair fans and attending fans?
A dad and his 7 ish old son sat next to me last season and the lad started chanting 'Yid army', How can anything change when the next generation identifies the term with spurs.

 

[ralvy]

Isn't the point that it's probably offensive to a huge majority of Jewish people who aren't Spurs supporters or have no interest in football? Our supporters have taken ownership of what is intrinsically a very offensive term to deflect it's effect. Doesn't work for anyone else though.

Who. gives. a. fuck?

 

[Metalhead]

It's a bit of a weird one. It doesn't bother me personally - it would bother my Dad who remembers hearing that in a sinister way. Were it black people chanting the N word, would I join in? Definitely not.

 

[Col_M]

You lot are too focused in stats. If Conte wants Niko that’s good enough for me.

 

[Japhet]

Who. gives. a. fuck?

Seriously? What the actual fuck?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Here we go again.

I don't think it'll be completely eradicated for a very very long time, (if at all) and this is going to be a small steps thing at best and if the authorities or the club think people are going to stop en masse, good luck with that.

But I get the argument against. I made my own choice a while ago and personally, wouldn't chant the word again and to be honest i'm not entirely sure when the last time was that I even typed the word.

But a lot of people are going to feel they should keep using it and I understand that too. It's a tough one, there are shades of right all over the place and we've been here so many times on this. Pretty much all the arguments have been made so many times that we just end up going around in circles and getting pissy with eachother

 

[Tiberius Gracchus]

As someone who has chanted with pride at the ground but am now uncomfortable with it, i think there's a solution here, without an outright ban or continuation.

If it's offensive to some - and given the recent past we should treat this with senstivity - then it shouldn't require an overall majority.

When Greenpeace were accused of stealing First Nation(s) imagery and cukture for their logo, they worked with them and came up with a new logo that still incorporated asoects of it but didn't trample all over First Nation views.

Perhaps the club could work with various Jewish bodies and find a suitable alternative that reflects pride in the club's Jewish roots but without using such a divisive word

 

[coy-spurs1882]

You lot are too focused in stats. If Conte wants Niko that’s good enough for me.

wrong thread? ?