MY feelings towards the Spurs Board

[SamR]

It does seem that more than a few spurs supporters believe that Levy has no care for tottenham and has a sole objective of increasing his personal fortune.
Whilst i do not disagree on the fact that Levy seems to think putting the club in a better finanical position rather that investing in players to replace our most valuable assets, i do believe that Levy is still acting in best interests of the club.

What i have concluded is that Levy is a good businessman. He was fantastic in the transfer market of recent times. He has however been found out as they say. In the Arshavin saga he played hardball and this for once didnt work. We didnt save on the pennies that Levy generally gets from the tactic we use. He also was bullied by a more powerful footballing club. I do not believe as a club tottenham could have done much to stop a transfer of berbatov to United whether it be now at a higher premium on at another date at a lower fee. It was however inexperience or poor judgment that meant a suitable transfer target was not in place.
Levy wants to see tottenham do as well as any of us. A positive performance on the pitch increases our global marketing opportunities so there is no way he would want our club to be failing as it has of late.

He employed DC as his footballing brain and i believe DC has an exceptional eye for talent. He does however not have the ability of the wengers, fergies of this world to determine if the talent is capable of playing in the premiership. I.e. for us Boateng, Gilberto, etc etc arent first team material as expected.
Both of these men felt that Ramos was a brilliant move. And so did many of us fans. He had great success at Sevilla but he doenst have the english experience. I guess we signed Gus as a management team memeber familiar with the english game experience.
Hull and Stoke on paper have a tiny part of the quality, resources and training facilities as us. But they have a manager experienced in the english game, and players hungry for premiership football. The passion they have outweighs the quality we possess.

All in All Levy 100% has a passion for us. DC would love nothing more than us to succeed. They've made mistakes. Some of which we would have made in their position. Its up the squad until January at least to try pull out some results. Ramos has to decide on his system quickly.
I think its slightly unfair to criticise them for not caring..but perhaps the criticism should be aimed at the mistakes they have made.

would a new board..new manager..more new players really solve our problem!?

 

[robin09]

I think you´re wrong about the majority. From what I´ve seen, the majority of us are rational and aren´t calling for Levy´s head.

 

[SamR]

ok i was trying to get across the broad picture more than the talk of numbers... adapted it slightly.

 

[Azrael]

believe DC has an exceptional eye for talent.

:rofl:

would a new board..new manager..more new players really solve our problem!?

Nothing is by any means guaranteed. But I don't see how it can get any worse with the current lot.

 

[SamR]

:rofl:


Nothing is by any means guaranteed. But I don't see how it can get any worse with the current lot.

Well from a youth perspective...
Parrett, Bostock, Rose, Gunter - future talents

Current - Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Hutton, Bale.

Im saying that he has a good eye for talent... but poor ability to judge whether this talent will be capable of playing in the premiership.
Im sure many of you before the season started would have said these signings were a great addition!?

 

[worcestersauce]

I'm sure many of us still do.

 

[Azrael]

Well from a youth perspective...
Parrett, Bostock, Rose, Gunter - future talents

Current - Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Hutton, Bale.

Im saying that he has a good eye for talent... but poor ability to judge whether this talent will be capable of playing in the premiership.
Im sure many of you before the season started would have said these signings were a great addition!?

Good signings if we had a good stricke force and a midfield general. But with these areas seriously deficient the players you mention these signings aren't able to play to their full potential, especially the likes of Modric and Bentley.

 

[brasil_spur]

Agreed, Levy seems to make one major cock-up per season - last season it was the Jol saga, this season it was the Berbatov saga.

But his overall control of Spurs has been very positive.

 

[SamR]

i totally agree.
Pav needs much more time. Its rare for a player to settle apart from the likes of torres and berbs in first season. He may come good but if not then like i say DC's ability to assess a players premiership playing ability must be quiestioned.

So do u think its mistakes by the board and scouting team that have lead to our poor start more so then the ability of the current crop of players and manager in charge!?

 

[DoublePivot]

Well from a youth perspective...
Parrett, Bostock, Rose, Gunter - future talents

Current - Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Hutton, Bale.

Im saying that he has a good eye for talent... but poor ability to judge whether this talent will be capable of playing in the premiership.
Im sure many of you before the season started would have said these signings were a great addition!?

Future talents are meaningless. Seriously, we have no way to objectively evaluate them. And to be fair, if they become half decent they will be sold to the highest bidder.

Current talent. Really? Modric - questionable. Gomes - questionable. Bentley - surpluss when bought. Bale - we have never won a game he has played in. The real point is that talent shouldn't be the sole criteria for purchase. DC's job was to build a team. He has broken one up, but he has never build one. He approaches his job much like I played CM05. Buy every kid (pulled Bostock for 100 pounds a week) and fill in money signings anywhere. I won the league with one keeper. Why? Because it was a flipping game. And that's what DC thinks this is.

 

[MattyP]

Future talents are meaningless. Seriously, we have no way to objectively evaluate them. And to be fair, if they become half decent they will be sold to the highest bidder.

Current talent. Really? Modric - questionable. Gomes - questionable. Bentley - surpluss when bought. Bale - we have never won a game he has played in. The real point is that talent shouldn't be the sole criteria for purchase. DC's job was to build a team. He has broken one up, but he has never build one. He approaches his job much like I played CM05. Buy every kid (pulled Bostock for 100 pounds a week) and fill in money signings anywhere. I won the league with one keeper. Why? Because it was a flipping game. And that's what DC thinks this is.

Wrong.

DC's job is to identify players that have been requested by Ramos, or if he has requested specific players, to obtain them.

It is Ramos' responsibility and his responsibility alone, to build a team - he has been given a squad, a squad that has talent, certainly enough talent to have obtained more than two points from eight games, and it is his job to coach that squad into producing a team performance.

If you believe ITK, we missed out on two players on Ramos' list that he wanted this last window. I'd say that's not a bad job all things considered.

 

[SamR]

Future talents are meaningless. Seriously, we have no way to objectively evaluate them. And to be fair, if they become half decent they will be sold to the highest bidder.

Current talent. Really? Modric - questionable. Gomes - questionable. Bentley - surpluss when bought. Bale - we have never won a game he has played in. The real point is that talent shouldn't be the sole criteria for purchase. DC's job was to build a team. He has broken one up, but he has never build one. He approaches his job much like I played CM05. Buy every kid (pulled Bostock for 100 pounds a week) and fill in money signings anywhere. I won the league with one keeper. Why? Because it was a flipping game. And that's what DC thinks this is.

On a talent front.. before they signed for tottenham all of the guys mentioned here were playing very well and were all seen by as a good signings.
Why is it the players never seem to peform here like they did at their previous clubs!?
As much as i feel the squad has been broken up, I think it would be very hard for us to keep hold of our top players when the likes of United come after them. Putting my supporting brain aside the chance of playing for United would be a big draw to a player. United can tell teams like Madrid to do one... but have we got that power!?

 

[DoublePivot]

Wrong.

DC's job is to identify players that have been requested by Ramos, or if he has requested specific players, to obtain them.

It is Ramos' responsibility and his responsibility alone, to build a team - he has been given a squad, a squad that has talent, certainly enough talent to have obtained more than two points from eight games, and it is his job to coach that squad into producing a team performance.

If you believe ITK, we missed out on two players on Ramos' list that he wanted this last window. I'd say that's not a bad job all things considered.

So you're just like Comolli. You think talent, and talent, alone is all that matters. Even when said talent isn't exactly talented. It's DC's job to find players who lead, players who create, players who win the ball, players with experience, players who do their job. Ramos sucks, but he's been given suck tools for the job. I hate all of you DC apologists. I really do.

 

[MattyP]

So you're just like Comolli. You think talent, and talent, alone is all that matters. Even when said talent isn't exactly talented. It's DC's job to find players who lead, players who create, players who win the ball, players with experience, players who do their job. Ramos sucks, but he's been given suck tools for the job. I hate all of you DC apologists. I really do.

Wow, you manage to get all of that about me just from posting a point that puts as much emphasis on the failings of Ramos as it does on Comolli.

There's a part of me that is tempted to respond, but no doubt you'll find even more deep and meaningful insights into my thoughts and feelings on all things spurs, and I really can't be fucking bothered.

 

[roosh]

I don't think the problem is that Daniel Levy does not care, I think the problem is that his primary focus is on profit - you can argue that he has responsibility to shareholders blah, blah,blah.
The fact is he fails to realise, or is too weak to put his point to the shareholders, that by incurring short term losses, by means of investing in players, that may not necessarily have a higher re-sale value, without the need to ensure that our net spend is kept to a minimum, and by increasing wages, that we would have a better chance of achieving success on the pitch, which in the long term would bring in the desired revenue.

Its his mentality - of needing to profit out of everything that is negatively affecting the club, right to the very core.

Look at the glazers at united, very much in the background, they look after the managers footballing needs, provide him with the financial backing he needs. They manage the business that results from on the field success.

Even the Hicks and Gillett at liverpool - have managed to fade into the background, as the glazers did. They have provided Benitez with money for players, granted he has had to sell a number of players but he has had control over which players he buys and sells.

Arsenal have given wenger the backing he needs, while again pretty much remaining in the background. They haven't given him the biggest budget, but then they have invested in a brand new stadium and he has proven he doesn't really need that big a budget.

 

[Azrael]

I don't think the problem is that Daniel Levy does not care, I think the problem is that his primary focus is on profit - you can argue that he has responsibility to shareholders blah, blah,blah.
The fact is he fails to realise, or is too weak to put his point to the shareholders, that by incurring short term losses, by means of investing in players, that may not necessarily have a higher re-sale value, without the need to ensure that our net spend is kept to a minimum, and by increasing wages, that we would have a better chance of achieving success on the pitch, which in the long term would bring in the desired revenue.

Its his mentality - of needing to profit out of everything that is negatively affecting the club, right to the very core.

Look at the glazers at united, very much in the background, they look after the managers footballing needs, provide him with the financial backing he needs. They manage the business that results from on the field success.

Even the Hicks and Gillett at liverpool - have managed to fade into the background, as the glazers did. They have provided Benitez with money for players, granted he has had to sell a number of players but he has had control over which players he buys and sells.

Arsenal have given wenger the backing he needs, while again pretty much remaining in the background. They haven't given him the biggest budget, but then they have invested in a brand new stadium and he has proven he doesn't really need that big a budget.

:clap:

 

[Wsussexspur]

Well from a youth perspective...
Parrett, Bostock, Rose, Gunter - future talents

Current - Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Hutton, Bale.

Im saying that he has a good eye for talent... but poor ability to judge whether this talent will be capable of playing in the premiership.
Im sure many of you before the season started would have said these signings were a great addition!?

The thing is all these players you mentioned both Current or from a youth perspective were hardly unknowns. They were all being chased by several top clubs. So I dont think Comolli can take credit for finding these players! We all know the buys that most of us relate to Comolli and there is no questionning that these players have been nothing short of disasters and a huge waste of money!

 

[striebs]

I'm not exactly wild about the club being run be people who are in it for what they can get out .

As others have mentioned though , for every Randy Lerner there are numerous Thaksins .

 

[Max_Junglie]

Look at the glazers at united, very much in the background, they look after the managers footballing needs, provide him with the financial backing he needs. They manage the business that results from on the field success.

Even the Hicks and Gillett at liverpool - have managed to fade into the background, as the glazers did. They have provided Benitez with money for players, granted he has had to sell a number of players but he has had control over which players he buys and sells.

Arsenal have given wenger the backing he needs, while again pretty much remaining in the background. They haven't given him the biggest budget, but then they have invested in a brand new stadium and he has proven he doesn't really need that big a budget.

Good post, but I don't see how Levy's that different from the examples cited. He doesn't seek the limelight or publicity. We'd never hear anything about him if it wasn't for the press slinging shit at him. He's backed the managers with money and given them the players they wanted - so far as anyone knows. I know Jol made some comments about the transfer policy, but tbh I just don't see any reason to give more credence to his spin than to Levy's or DC's. They're all working to their own agendas, which is painting themselves in the best possible light.

It's a lot easier to be happy about your board when your winning things. I don't recall many Utd fans welcoming the Glazers and their colossal debt when they first arrived though. And getting Utd to win things was a damn sight easier than it is getting Spurs to win things, because they'd got something of a headstart.

Hicks and Gillett have been far from in the background - airing their dirty laundry in public, giving interviews about each other, the club and their transfer business. Granted they've been quiet for a couple of months. And they didn't back Rafa with cash either - they paid the asking price for Keane but refused to cough up for Barry. Not really so different from the situation we find ourselves in.

Wenger's scraping the Goons into the CL every season, and what he lacks in transfer budget he makes up for in payroll. The regime he's working under, although successful in the past, isn't exactly forcing the cleaners to put in much overtime in the trophy room atm.

It would be helpful for me, and perhaps some other readers, if someone could post definitive evidence that the players we sign are not the manager's choice. I mean from an official source or an interview with a club employee. Until I see that then I can only treat the statement that the players we've signed are not the manager's choice as supposition and speculation - and a convenient excuse for failure, which has the added bonus of offering up a scapegoat or two.

 

[roosh]

Good post, but I don't see how Levy's that different from the examples cited. He doesn't seek the limelight or publicity. We'd never hear anything about him if it wasn't for the press slinging shit at him.

His actions are what have brought him into the limelight, whether he seeks it or not.
1) Tapping up Ramos

2) Manner of sacking Jol - absolutely deplorable and during a live televised game.

3) Conspicuous in his absence from announcement of Ramos as manager

4) Transfer dealings this summer

It is his actions that have the papers slinging shit at him - this is the reason he shies away from publicity, but doesn't avoid it.

He's backed the managers with money and given them the players they wanted - so far as anyone knows. I know Jol made some comments about the transfer policy, but tbh I just don't see any reason to give more credence to his spin than to Levy's or DC's.

not sure if you're referring to previous comments that his focus is on minimising net spend from transfers, but again it is plain to see from his actions.

It's a lot easier to be happy about your board when your winning things.

And its essential to hold them accountable when decisions and policy have erased any progress and regressed the club.

I don't recall many Utd fans welcoming the Glazers and their colossal debt when they first arrived though. And getting Utd to win things was a damn sight easier than it is getting Spurs to win things, because they'd got something of a headstart.

I don't hear too many united fans calling for their heads now either.Success is relative to your goals. For Spurs, success was, or at least should've been, consecutive 5th place finishes and progress on all fronts - the short term goals of the club were too excessive i.e. immediate progression to the CL. This dictated policy and decision making.

Hicks and Gillett have been far from in the background - airing their dirty laundry in public, giving interviews about each other, the club and their transfer business. Granted they've been quiet for a couple of months. And they didn't back Rafa with cash either - they paid the asking price for Keane but refused to cough up for Barry. Not really so different from the situation we find ourselves in.

Hence I said, faded into the background and alluded to the fact that Benitez had to sell some players to get some in.

Wenger's scraping the Goons into the CL every season, and what he lacks in transfer budget he makes up for in payroll. The regime he's working under, although successful in the past, isn't exactly forcing the cleaners to put in much overtime in the trophy room atm.

In fairness we probably share the same part-time cleaner for the trophy room - and I'd imagine he's got a little more shining to do at the emirates than at white hart lane.
Give me top 4 finishes every year, CL football every year, a new stadium and a 3 year empty trophy cabinet over 1 Carling cup in 10 years and a relegation battle.

And if you think I should go and support Arsenal, don't be ridiculous!

It would be helpful for me, and perhaps some other readers, if someone could post definitive evidence that the players we sign are not the manager's choice. I mean from an official source or an interview with a club employee. Until I see that then I can only treat the statement that the players we've signed are not the manager's choice as supposition and speculation - and a convenient excuse for failure, which has the added bonus of offering up a scapegoat or two.

Don't think I've really refferred to transfers not being managers choice - just that the focus is on reducing net spend.