Maxence Lacroix

[robotsonic]

One less reason for Lacroix to want to stay at Wolfsburg. Looks like they're getting kicked out of the DFB-Pokal after Van Bommel pulled a Paulo Fonseca and made too many subs after throwing on a striker in ET to try and win the game (which they did).

The defender he subbed off to make the change...Maxence Lacroix

 

[Andrew Mc]

This one makes too much sense for us to get it. But I said that about Romero, fingers crossed I am wrong again.

 

[mr ashley]

One less reason for Lacroix to want to stay at Wolfsburg. Looks like they're getting kicked out of the DFB-Pokal after Van Bommel pulled a Paulo Fonseca and made too many subs after throwing on a striker in ET to try and win the game (which they did).

The defender he subbed off to make the change...Maxence Lacroix

How can that even happen? I mean- why did the 4th official let them make the sub?

sounds like a monumental cockup if true

 

[sausage]

How can that even happen? I mean- why did the 4th official let them make the sub?

sounds like a monumental cockup if true

You'd think their little notepad would have the right number of spaces on it, and they'd say "You've used them all buddy".

Such an anachronism to have it as a gentlemanly conduct instead of it being literally as above. Like the rule is "make some, but not too many, old bean"

 

[robotsonic]

Wechselfehler! Wolfsburg droht das Pokal-Aus

Wolfsburg setzte sich im Pokal mit 3:1 in der Verlängerung bei Regionalligist Münster durch. Dennoch droht den Niedersachsen das Aus wegen eines Wechselfehlers.

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Seems as if they asked the fourth official about it and never got stopped, or something like that.

 

[robotsonic]

This one makes too much sense for us to get it. But I said that about Romero, fingers crossed I am wrong again.

Makes too Maxence

 

[worcestersauce]

My only concern is experience. That’s quite a young defence.

Yes but that sort of only really matters if we are considering this season, we have to avoid that and look at it longer term.

 

[Trix]

How can that even happen? I mean- why did the 4th official let them make the sub?

sounds like a monumental cockup if true

I'd guess that different competitions having different sub rules for extra time caused the confusion. Still pretty schoolboy though to not be clued up before hand.

 

[mark87]

How can that even happen? I mean- why did the 4th official let them make the sub?

sounds like a monumental cockup if true

This is exactly what I thought, it's bad enough the whole coaching staff didn't recognise they had made all the subs, and while it's probably not the officials responsibility to ensure something like this didn't happen, you would've thought they may have said something as it doesn't make them look too good either.

 

[leray]

This is exactly what I thought, it's bad enough the whole coaching staff didn't recognise they had made all the subs, and while it's probably not the officials responsibility to ensure something like this didn't happen, you would've thought they may have said something as it doesn't make them look too good either.

It's the staff's responsibility to keep score of substitutions, same with suspended players. They could ask the officials, but the referee won't stop them doing it. The officials won't bother if a teams plays a suspended players. There was a case when Legia Warsaw played Celtic a couple of years ago and won on aggregate 6:1, but they introduced a suspended player 10 minutes before the final whistle and the game was declared 3-0 for Celtic which meant they got through.

 

[StanSpur]

This is exactly what I thought, it's bad enough the whole coaching staff didn't recognise they had made all the subs, and while it's probably not the officials responsibility to ensure something like this didn't happen, you would've thought they may have said something as it doesn't make them look too good either.

I would have thought it was the officials job to make teams follow the rules of the game. It’s pretty much their only reason for being there. I do think that there has been so much fluidity in the subs numbers since COVID hit that it is a genuine mistake but one that could have been the difference and therefore should result in a penalty to the club. As for the player. He looks to be of good quality and at a good price (and assuming we could shift a few cbs) worth a shot

 

[Tucker]

Yes but that sort of only really matters if we are considering this season, we have to avoid that and look at it longer term.

That’s all well and good, but if our defence has their confidence crushed by the end of the season then long term they might not get it back. Look at Sanchez, he did great when he first came into the team, but now he’s like a rabbit in the headlights every time he plays.

 

[Amo]

Why should the burden fall on officials to prevent clubs being dumb enough to field too many players or ones ineligible to play?

Firstly, it'll be a resource drain in the middle if a match if they have to keep tabs on ineligible or suspended players. Second, if they get it wrong the team at fault will be at least partly relieved of their responsibility, which will be shared or carried by match officials. Why should they be put in that thankless position when even coaches of those teams can't get it right despite the near-certainty of being thrown out of the competition or forfeiting the match.

 

[worcestersauce]

That’s all well and good, but if our defence has their confidence crushed by the end of the season then long term they might not get it back. Look at Sanchez, he did great when he first came into the team, but now he’s like a rabbit in the headlights every time he plays.

They won't have their confidence crushed by the end of the season though these two are not players that look good and did well last season they are by all accounts top class and tipped for the top so I really don't believe we should be concerned about ruining their careers.
Snachez is 25 and nowhere near as bad as too many Spurs fans say he is, as for for crushing confidence perhaps some Spurs fans should look at themselves.

 

[Trix]

Why should the burden fall on officials to prevent clubs being dumb enough to field too many players or ones ineligible to play?

Firstly, it'll be a resource drain in the middle if a match if they have to keep tabs on ineligible or suspended players. Second, if they get it wrong the team at fault will be at least partly relieved of their responsibility, which will be shared or carried by match officials. Why should they be put in that thankless position when even coaches of those teams can't get it right at risk of being thrown out of the competition.

Yeah the fourth official is massively overworked as it is.

 

[Tucker]

They won't have their confidence crushed by the end of the season though these two are not players that look good and did well last season they are by all accounts top class and tipped for the top so I really don't believe we should be concerned about ruining their careers.
Snachez is 25 and nowhere near as bad as too many Spurs fans say he is, as for for crushing confidence perhaps some Spurs fans should look at themselves.

I agree on the whole, especially about Sanchez. I can also see the attraction of putting an experienced head in amongst all these young shoulders.

 

[DJS]

Whenever I see this name it makes me think of a certain hula hooping video...

 

[worcestersauce]

I agree on the whole, especially about Sanchez. I can also see the attraction of putting an experienced head in amongst all these young shoulders.

I don't disagree with that but I think we should go for the better player if we can and I am led to believe he's the better player, we should however understand that he's going to have to gain his experience this year and not necessarily have a stand out season in the prem.
Actually perhaps that's the thinking behind Eric Dier staying with us, he'll be 28 in January so coming into the age group we think of as prime for Centre Backs.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Why should the burden fall on officials to prevent clubs being dumb enough to field too many players or ones ineligible to play?

Firstly, it'll be a resource drain in the middle if a match if they have to keep tabs on ineligible or suspended players. Second, if they get it wrong the team at fault will be at least partly relieved of their responsibility, which will be shared or carried by match officials. Why should they be put in that thankless position when even coaches of those teams can't get it right despite the near-certainty of being thrown out of the competition or forfeiting the match.

My view is that it should be a group effort - this is a game we're talking about, not a bureaucratic legal dispute.

Why shouldn't they help each other out? "Are you sure mate, haven't you already made three subs?".

I don't like the notion of 'win at all costs' or pretending football is more important than it is.

 

[ProfCalculus]

Why should the burden fall on officials to prevent clubs being dumb enough to field too many players or ones ineligible to play?

Firstly, it'll be a resource drain in the middle if a match if they have to keep tabs on ineligible or suspended players. Second, if they get it wrong the team at fault will be at least partly relieved of their responsibility, which will be shared or carried by match officials. Why should they be put in that thankless position when even coaches of those teams can't get it right despite the near-certainty of being thrown out of the competition or forfeiting the match.

Because it’s their job. Enforcing rules is the single thing officials have to do.

Why should the burden fall on clubs for officials being lapse enough not to enforce their rules? It’s really weird and inconsistent. We don’t award penalties and alter score lines retrospectively - after the match - because the officials considered it the players’ responsibility to know that fouling in the box is a penalty, and trust them to sort it out amongst themselves.

The situation you describe with making mistakes applies to every single decision in the game.