Trix
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There aren't too many 40 year olds who will take, let alone wear proudly a sticker given to him by his dentist. Clearly a champion for middle aged dental hygiene.
Mauricio Pochettino
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There aren't too many 40 year olds who will take, let alone wear proudly a sticker given to him by his dentist. Clearly a champion for middle aged dental hygiene.
Marty
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I'm not watching that video because I refuse to give people like that clicks but yep.
parj
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He didn't sign the dross Chelsea have. Bizarrely, he has found himself in a Tottenham position again. Just getting whatever players given
Misfit
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fishhhandaricecake
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Agent Poch thank you 
only1waddle
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The Shed End - this is all one poster and they don't seem keen, a couple of familiar points here.
Today sealed it for me - Poch out.
The club is absolutely broken. Sadly I don't think changing the manager will have much effect as every single department of this club, top to bottom, side to side, is misfiring. I'd like to hear a little more from the owners or directors at this time, but we know that won't happen and the manager normally takes the fall. However, there are good reasons for Poch to go:
- We have no identity. Nothing, no patterns, nothing to build on
- Even our recent wins, papering over cracks, weren't great. Luton (A), Palace (H), Fulham (H) - all last 10 min scrambles/chaos
- Makes poor decisions, repeatedly. Players out of position, continues to select underperforming players, poor timing for subs. Has ZERO plan B
- Worse discipline in the league
- Repeat the same mistakes time and time again. How many games have we conceded goals down the inside left - just look back to Brentford or Villa at home at the start, to Liverpool and Wolves today. Teams still exploit that area
- Maybe down to medical/sports science, but awful injury management
- Some of the most inept performances I have seen from a Chelsea team, all this season. Wolves (H and A), United (A), Newcastle (A), Boro (A), Liverpool (A)
- No bounce back or reaction after said inept performances. Nothing changes
- We may lack quality, but we are outworked, outfought, outthought, and over powered time and time again. It really is men vs. boys - atleast be hard to play against
- A manager that just sits in the dugout, looks somewhat resigned
- No real development of young players - they are regressing
Changing the manager only creates more instability, but what have we to lose at this point. We'll struggle to get a top coach, but were De Zebri or Postecoglu considered top before their current respective roles?
I thought Poch would be the needed breath of fresh air this club was calling out for. And again, the issues go much deeper, but we're 30+ games into Poch's tenure and we have regressed. He has to go - give a new manager the rest of another write off season and a full summer.
Today sealed it for me - Poch out.
The club is absolutely broken. Sadly I don't think changing the manager will have much effect as every single department of this club, top to bottom, side to side, is misfiring. I'd like to hear a little more from the owners or directors at this time, but we know that won't happen and the manager normally takes the fall. However, there are good reasons for Poch to go:
- We have no identity. Nothing, no patterns, nothing to build on
- Even our recent wins, papering over cracks, weren't great. Luton (A), Palace (H), Fulham (H) - all last 10 min scrambles/chaos
- Makes poor decisions, repeatedly. Players out of position, continues to select underperforming players, poor timing for subs. Has ZERO plan B
- Worse discipline in the league
- Repeat the same mistakes time and time again. How many games have we conceded goals down the inside left - just look back to Brentford or Villa at home at the start, to Liverpool and Wolves today. Teams still exploit that area
- Maybe down to medical/sports science, but awful injury management
- Some of the most inept performances I have seen from a Chelsea team, all this season. Wolves (H and A), United (A), Newcastle (A), Boro (A), Liverpool (A)
- No bounce back or reaction after said inept performances. Nothing changes
- We may lack quality, but we are outworked, outfought, outthought, and over powered time and time again. It really is men vs. boys - atleast be hard to play against
- A manager that just sits in the dugout, looks somewhat resigned
- No real development of young players - they are regressing
Changing the manager only creates more instability, but what have we to lose at this point. We'll struggle to get a top coach, but were De Zebri or Postecoglu considered top before their current respective roles?
I thought Poch would be the needed breath of fresh air this club was calling out for. And again, the issues go much deeper, but we're 30+ games into Poch's tenure and we have regressed. He has to go - give a new manager the rest of another write off season and a full summer.
only1waddle
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Indeed, a fair number of us were making the case that his coaching hadn't really improved or evolved enough to warrant taking a chance, all I saw today was high pressing and not much else.
It's actually sad he didn't have the awareness to spot how mad these owners were, Nagelsmann did and ran a mile.
rossdapep
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Well I reckon after his time at PSG, where he had no input whatsoever, and now being at a club where he already had all the players bought for him, I reckon he may actually think working under Levy was actually bliss.
If I was Poch, I would take a step back and reassses my career.
Go back to being a coach who improves young players at a club where expectations are much lower and the owners will give you input on players but not total control.
But at the same time, remember what made you a good coach at Southampton and Spurs which wasnt making big signings, instead work with a sporting director and let others identify players
only1waddle
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Portugal, with a Sporting director, loads of South American talent etc, forget what level you think you should be at, go and take a bit of pressure off.
Adam456
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I still love Poch - I was one of the people who wanted him to return but I knew nothing about Ange then and I'm super happy to have Ange in charge.
I hate Chelsea and want the worst possible outcome for them but I don't want this to ruin Poch's career so the ideal scenario would be that he makes it clear that he's unhappy and would like to leave but won't formally resign. So their form gets even worse and they eventually have to push him and pay him off with more money that they can ill-afford
I hate Chelsea and want the worst possible outcome for them but I don't want this to ruin Poch's career so the ideal scenario would be that he makes it clear that he's unhappy and would like to leave but won't formally resign. So their form gets even worse and they eventually have to push him and pay him off with more money that they can ill-afford
Snarfalicious
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I do feel bad for him, just seems like he doesn’t really have the same juice, anymore.
rossdapep
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He still has Lemon juice!
Johnny J
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I think Poch probably did realise this job is a poisoned chalice, but I also think he likely didn't have that many options when it comes to the very top jobs.
Managers will always back themselves, and someone will turn Chelsea around. But outside Chelsea where else would he have gone in the PL, after we decided to go a different direction?
I don't think his stock was tremendously high after PSG, and it'll be even lower after he's inevitable sacked by Chelsea.
McFlash
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I don't think Poch was ever as great as we all thought he was.
It was just the perfect storm for his time with us but he's not really proved himself as a top level coach anywhere and that's why I didn't want him back when so many were slating Levy for ignoring him.
Has he tried the diamond at Chelsea yet?
It was just the perfect storm for his time with us but he's not really proved himself as a top level coach anywhere and that's why I didn't want him back when so many were slating Levy for ignoring him.
Has he tried the diamond at Chelsea yet?
robotsonic
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It would be a real shame it this bears out to be the case, but still doesn't diminish his time with us I for me even if it was just the perfect confluence of good man manager with new ideas meets team of young talent of whom a bunch turned out to be great. Just a massive shame for him in respect of his career. And sad that if he can't prove it, he'll never be worthy of coming back. But that's OK.
You do seem the same problems persist now that we all had with him here. Tactically can't change a game, no plan B etc. But this time he has the wrong squad for his plan A, and plan A ain't new anymore anyway.
It's obvious, and was obvious beforehand, that he never should have gone to Chelsea, but I'm not sure what move he should otherwise have made at the time given what was available. Definitely needs now though to go to a second tier club and develop something new that works and try to rebuild his reputation. He'll have plenty of interest at that level you'd imagine across the continent just from his CV. But the next one really has to be the right one and go well or that'll be all of the credit in the bank exhausted in getting back to the top table imo.
Frozen_Waffles
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It's easy to sit here and say Chelsea are a mess and have spent huge amounts of money on young inexperienced players.
But I think Poch's time as a manager is over. His high pressing style was unique 8 years ago when he was at Spurs. Now it's not, a lot of clubs are playing a high press, with a much better game plan behind it.
He's failed to grow as a manager, we forget that towards the end at spurs we had very little identity. You could argue his squad with us at the end was poor and that Chelsea's squad is also not good enough. But he made his career on building teams to challenge through the press, and now teams are used to it. If you can't defend against the press these days you get relegated.
His PSG days were spent just trying to keep everyone happy and playing the big names. It was a bizarre and kind of desperate attempt to hire Poch in the first place, the idea that 8 years ago he motivated a young team and could replicate that at Chelsea now was optimistic in the extreme.
Potter was a good appointment, but you had to give him time to implement his gameplan. They didn't, they just went all in, sacking staff, signing everyone in sight, with some bizarre naive notions.
Now they have cocked it up so much that any manager will struggle.
They still have some good players knocking about, but Poch is certainly not the guy to take them forward.
Really difficult to think of what manager would be able to turn it round there. The only reason he's not been sacked is for financial reasons. If they had any sort of nous about them they would have a clause that allows them to sack him (without) compensation if they finish outside the top 6, or something like that.
But given the fact that everything else they've done has been half assed and chaotic then I doubt it.
But I think Poch's time as a manager is over. His high pressing style was unique 8 years ago when he was at Spurs. Now it's not, a lot of clubs are playing a high press, with a much better game plan behind it.
He's failed to grow as a manager, we forget that towards the end at spurs we had very little identity. You could argue his squad with us at the end was poor and that Chelsea's squad is also not good enough. But he made his career on building teams to challenge through the press, and now teams are used to it. If you can't defend against the press these days you get relegated.
His PSG days were spent just trying to keep everyone happy and playing the big names. It was a bizarre and kind of desperate attempt to hire Poch in the first place, the idea that 8 years ago he motivated a young team and could replicate that at Chelsea now was optimistic in the extreme.
Potter was a good appointment, but you had to give him time to implement his gameplan. They didn't, they just went all in, sacking staff, signing everyone in sight, with some bizarre naive notions.
Now they have cocked it up so much that any manager will struggle.
They still have some good players knocking about, but Poch is certainly not the guy to take them forward.
Really difficult to think of what manager would be able to turn it round there. The only reason he's not been sacked is for financial reasons. If they had any sort of nous about them they would have a clause that allows them to sack him (without) compensation if they finish outside the top 6, or something like that.
But given the fact that everything else they've done has been half assed and chaotic then I doubt it.
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