Mauricio Pochettino makes Tottenham point amid Chelsea pressure

[newbie]

Sadly I don’t think he is that great, it’s an utter sin he didn’t get us over the line, he failed at PSG if we’re all honest. I have no I’ll will for him, but I couldn’t give a shot if he fails at that classless lot.

We got to a champion leagues final with winks and Mo

He was pretty amazing.

His problem was squad depth., maybe that was his problem. Still he was amazing.

 

[dorsetyid]

No Harry Kane to save his job there

 

[Donki]

We got to a champion leagues final with winks and Mo

He was pretty amazing.

His problem was squad depth., maybe that was his problem. Still he was amazing.

Amazing? No, he got us to a few finals and semi finals, squad depth was not the problem, mentality was.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

It's always going to be hard when you've the likes of Benjamin Stambouli in midfield...

That name makes me shiver with dread.

Whilst I know what pochettino is saying. He's going to get no leeway from fans when you look at the resources at his disposal. That's said, Any player needs time to understand a new system. But saying it is not as difficult will make a few scratch their heads and wonder why they are so shite.

Will he get time? Who knows.

Best case scenario for me, he gets sacked so I can wish him well again and it throws them into more chaos.

He's gone by christmas at the current rate imo.

 

[Styopa]

Amazing? No, he got us to a few finals and semi finals, squad depth was not the problem, mentality was.

The Champions League run was an incredible achievement though. We had no right to expect to beat Liverpool with that squad. Liverpool were just a much better team of players.

But really we had no right to beat Man City either and should have gone out to Ajax too. We rode our luck for sure but mentality rather than quality kept us in the competition to the final. It was all about mentality, and a bit of luck.

 

[Donki]

The Champions League run was an incredible achievement though. We had no right to expect to beat Liverpool with that squad. Liverpool were just a much better team of players.

But really we had no right to beat Man City either and should have gone out to Ajax too. We rode our luck for sure but mentality rather than quality kept us in the competition to the final. It was all about mentality, and a bit of luck.

Football isn’t about certainties though, but I do agree we got a lot of the run of the green in the run up to the CL final . That doesn’t mean when we get to the final, that luck shouksnt go on. Yes Liverpool we’re a better squad but quite frankly we played like a 300yo firework that someone pissed on.

let’s not forget the league run in when we bottles it, or the league and cup semi finals and finals. People quite happily blame Levy for all of this, but really it was on Poch and the squad. Our problem was never player talent, or investment it has always been mentality IMO.

So far, what 6 matches in, I’m hearing Spurs players saying things I haven’t really heard before. It’s more proactive than reactive with Ange. Again just MO.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Amazing? No, he got us to a few finals and semi finals, squad depth was not the problem, mentality was.

Other way round. People saying the last 6/12/18 (delete where applicable) months were bad forget that we had hardly any midfielders for the final half of that season, because we hadn't strengthened in the summer, and as a result we were running on vapours.

We got to that final on pure will. And that was engendered by Poch and how he'd bonded with that squad.

Poch said that he saw the house falling down, repeatedly warned us, and we did nothing about it. Hence that night in Madrid being the end of it.

 

[Stavrogin]

Other way round. People saying the last 6/12/18 (delete where applicable) months were bad forget that we had hardly any midfielders for the final half of that season, because we hadn't strengthened in the summer, and as a result we were running on vapours.

We got to that final on pure will. And that was engendered by Poch and how he'd bonded with that squad.

Poch said that he saw the house falling down, repeatedly warned us, and we did nothing about it. Hence that night in Madrid being the end of it.

It's at least both elements. Because in reality, Winks and Sissoko were playing quite well. Sissoko became a hero for while. There was a chance he was going to go out there and bulldoze Liverpool into submission.

Then the next season we signed Ndombele and Lo Celso. But nothing was going to change as Pochettino had clearly checked out. If you compare to Klopp, there are plenty of times when his squad is short or imbalanced and they have bad spells but he keeps going and stays on message and they can pick up again. Pochettino was in terminal decline.

 

[Gassin's finest]

It's at least both elements. Because in reality, Winks and Sissoko were playing quite well. Sissoko became a hero for while. There was a chance he was going to go out there and bulldoze Liverpool into submission.

Then the next season we signed Ndombele and Lo Celso. But nothing was going to change as Pochettino had clearly checked out. If you compare to Klopp, there are plenty of times when his squad is short or imbalanced and they have bad spells but he keeps going and stays on message and they can pick up again. Pochettino was in terminal decline.

Klopp was backed every summer. They needed a better keeper? Here's the best. Need a better defender? Here's the best.

Poch had had enough.

 

[Stavrogin]

Klopp was backed every summer. They needed a better keeper? Here's the best. Need a better defender? Here's the best.

Poch had had enough.

So he'd been given two expensive midfielders (if you recall a lot of people backed us to challenge for the league with them) but was so upset by the previous lack of investment that he just couldn't go on?

I feel like the implication of what you are saying is that managers are like hot-house flowers and the slightest error by Levy will cause them to wilt and perish.

This thread:

 

[Gassin's finest]

So he'd been given two expensive midfielders (if you recall a lot of people backed us to challenge for the league with them) but was so upset by the previous lack of investment that he just couldn't go on?

I feel like the implication of what you are saying is that managers are like hot-house flowers and the slightest error by Levy will cause them to wilt and perish.

This thread:

And yet without the backing we still finished 4th and got the final of the toughest cup competition in the world. That's hardly wilting.

 

[Donki]

The Champions League run was an incredible achievement though. We had no right to expect to beat Liverpool with that squad. Liverpool were just a much better team of players.

But really we had no right to beat Man City either and should have gone out to Ajax too. We rode our luck for sure but mentality rather than quality kept us in the competition to the final. It was all about mentality, and a bit of luck.

Liverpool we’re shit in the final, tbh the whole game was shit. Your saying we should have just been happy to be there? I’d we had if turned up we would have won.

 

[Donki]

Other way round. People saying the last 6/12/18 (delete where applicable) months were bad forget that we had hardly any midfielders for the final half of that season, because we hadn't strengthened in the summer, and as a result we were running on vapours.

We got to that final on pure will. And that was engendered by Poch and how he'd bonded with that squad.

Poch said that he saw the house falling down, repeatedly warned us, and we did nothing about it. Hence that night in Madrid being the end of it.

Well it’s funny you say that, everywhere he has went after us the house is falling down. He was a laughing stock at PSG.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Well it’s funny you say that, everywhere he has went after us the house is falling down. He was a laughing stock at PSG.

He won a title and a cup at PSG. PSG are a laughing stock tbh.

Sorry I'm not down with this "he was shit anyway" narrative now that he's at Chelsea and we have another good manager. He's has dead to me as anyone now, but this attitude does a massive disservice to everything about the club in that era. It was extremely positive and enjoyable, and I'm not going to forget that.

 

[Guernman]

Will always be grateful to the man.

I remember when Crouch's goal against City took us to the Champions League for the first time, I was intent on enjoying what I thought would be a rare if not a once in a lifetime's experience. That Poch turned CL into an expectation, rather than a bizarre dream, in a just a few years was quite simply extraordinary.

I wouldn't swap him for Ange for all the world now, but I will always have huge affection for him. It's an abomination of all that is good and proper that he is now at Chelsea. I am sure he will succeed if given time, so I'm desperately hoping that he won't be given it. Get sacked quickly Mauricio, and move on to pastures greener where I can quietly wish you well

 

[jakuba]

He was right the first few months were tough but he had generational talents like Eriksen, Kane, Walker, Vertonghen and Lloris in that team. Walker and Kane didn’t get out into the regular first team for a while (Walker coming back from injury and Kane nailing down a place) so his tough spell coincided playing the likes of Kyle Naughton, Adebayor and Soldado.

Do I see anyone coming into the fore for them in the same way? Not sure currently - I’d think it foolish to write off Caicedo and Fernandez. But the rest of their team, especially up front shouldn’t give them much hope. It’s all really resting on N’Kunku coming in and having a Kane/Eriksen effect on the rest of the team.

 

[Styopa]

He won a title and a cup at PSG. PSG are a laughing stock tbh.

Sorry I'm not down with this "he was shit anyway" narrative now that he's at Chelsea and we have another good manager. He's has dead to me as anyone now, but this attitude does a massive disservice to everything about the club in that era. It was extremely positive and enjoyable, and I'm not going to forget that.

Totally agree.

In my opinion, a sensible assessment of Poch’s time at the club would be he did a great job for a few years even if we did come up a little bit short.

We should have won a trophy or two whilst we were at our peak but then again Poch was instrumental in us reaching that peak. We haven’t even been in the conversation of winning a trophy for the last two or three years, and we’re already out of one trophy this season.

Poch also had to navigate changing home stadiums twice and went eighteen months without buying a player which is virtually unprecedented for a team which has aspirations of winning major trophies.

Poch obviously has flaws and limitations like every other human being. But I can’t think of many other managers who have done a better job at the club during the last thirty years.