Match Ratings -VS- Birmingham City

[JJetset]

O'Hara is not a left-sided midfielder (or a left fullback come to that). He is a central midfield player. I predicted from the first that if Ramos played him out of position that it would be a repeat of what happened wth Johnnie Jackson, and that the knuckle draggers would turn against him without giving him a proper chance. Let's hope that once the booing starts his confidence holds up better than JJs. We ruined that lad.

Spurs fans are so predictable. It now seems they are set on doing to Bent what they did to Rasiak. Only with that price tag, this time comedy is repeating itself as tragedy.

Spot on Eddie :clap:

Actually if you watch the game in detail as i have both live and watched again today(for some stupid reason i know) you will see that Bent had a good first half and not too bad 2nd. He went clean through first half and sprung the offside trap brilliantly to be ruled offside incorrectly, he was setting up others on goal and played well. He had a couple of tame headers in the 2nd agreed but it wasn't a disaster by any means.
He just needs a run of games and unfortunately with Keano and Berbs playing so well that is going to be hard but he will have to adapt quicker and hopefully get a slice of luck when he does play and he will be off and running and knocking them in from everywhere to the point where i bet we will get the posters on here saying he is better than Keane!!

 

[Bulletspur]

Robo did make some good saves but he was also shown wanting for atleast 3 of the goals, (i'm not saying they were his fault).
for me O'hara was the only player who looked like he was playing for his place, although Hutton impressed me generally!

Agreed. the rest were all stuck in 1st gear, espcially the midfield.

Despite what other may think, although Bent is suspect and looked lost yesterday, he wasnt given any service and I for one would like hiim to have an extensive run, but can we afford to?

Two points to note, I was sitting with who I would describe as nuturals by their reactions throught out the match, and I heard one off them actually say that they were so looking forward to watch us play after last week, but were disappointed by our performance.

Secondly, during the warm ups, do you know who was the last to leave the field after continuing farming up with a coach for a further five minutes or so? Cerny

 

[Spurs_Q8]

What was Tainio doing for their first? He's supposed to be defending the far post and fucks off. If he'd done what he was supposed to and stayed put he'd have been able to put in a block. I mean, that is the idea of having a defender on the post, isn't it? Or have I got it wrong?

I don't see how Robbo could be seriously faulted for any of their goals. He could have been a yard or so further to his right for the free kick, but no more—and if Larsson had gone for the opposite angle instead of curling the kick over the wall some people would be complaining about that. I think this is one of those occasions where you have to say, 'Too good'—something we seem strangely reluctant to do on SC. We would, it seems, far rather blame our own than credit the opposition.

His save from Zokora was simply sensational and it was shit luck that the ball ran to Forssell. Anyone criticising Robbo for that is a silly ignorant ****. Maybe some people would have preferred he'd just stood there and give Zoko his first goal in a Spurs shirt? That tip over the bar was absolutely out of the top drawer too.

The defending was truly bloody horrific, and that's just from MOTD. I'm rather glad that's all I saw. No keeper can be expected to compensate for garbage like that. Gus said Robbo had a 'difficult game'. Too fucking right.

Can people get off Bent's back? We had the JDFC bleating on forever about how Paw Lickle Jermain couldn't show he was the World's Greatest Striker if he didn't get a decent run of starts (about fifteen, at a conservative estimate), but Bent is, apparently, supposed to be banging them in wholesale with no consistent playing time whatsoever. It's not his fault we paid £15.5m for a striker to warm the bench (only Spurs could do this, I think). Was there any real service for him and Berbatov? Was there a decent cross, corner or free kick all game, or a decent through ball for either to latch on to?

could agree with a lot of this post, but not with this bold one

remember when Bent failed to control that easy ball he recieved in 1st half like amatuer player, then he have some of decent chances for heading, he headed the wide to far for the post.

Also, Bent played against Derby, Slavia and now Birmingham, it was good chance for him to shine but he failed to get a single praise for a single chance, let alone not scoring at all.

why you're blaming the service, it is three games not just one, and we played with three strikers yesterday and he should do better. It was all about hard working and Bent wasn't good enough at all. I'm not saying Berba and Keane always playing very well, but the difference about it we are missing them too much when one of them isn't playing. so, you can easily think about Bent isn't good enough or not doing better.

yes, it wasn't his fault for his price, but when people talk about it, they are blaming the man who brought him for that price, whatever who was Levy or Comolii or Jol. I would take Rebrov, Postiga as excellent signings if we compared the fees and their talants.

 

[stemark44]

I watched the extended highlights on Sky and after listening to the radio and reading a couple of the early posts on this thread,I was dreading watching a horrible performance.
I have to say that we dominated this game and how we were 4-0 down at one time was beyond me!Everytime they had a chance the ball nestled in our goal.
I would'nt suggest that we played well but Birmingham made it difficult for us to pass the ball,the conditions were very windy and the pitch was very hard.
As for Bent,I really don't like him playing with Berbatov because I can't see any chemistry between them.He really needs to work really hard and get his confidence again otherwise our fans will ruin him completely!

 

[SpurSince57]

could agree with a lot of this post, but not with this bold one

remember when Bent failed to control that easy ball he recieved in 1st half like amatuer player, then he have some of decent chances for heading, he headed the wide to far for the post.

Also, Bent played against Derby, Slavia and now Birmingham, it was good chance for him to shine but he failed to get a single praise for a single chance, let alone not scoring at all.

why you're blaming the service, it is three games not just one, and we played with three strikers yesterday and he should do better. It was all about hard working and Bent wasn't good enough at all. I'm not saying Berba and Keane always playing very well, but the difference about it we are missing them too much when one of them isn't playing. so, you can easily think about Bent isn't good enough or not doing better.

yes, it wasn't his fault for his price, but when people talk about it, they are blaming the man who brought him for that price, whatever who was Levy or Comolii or Jol. I would take Rebrov, Postiga as excellent signings if we compared the fees and their talants.

Three games in three months, all but a week, and all three of them games in which the team played well below an acceptable standard. I'm not disputing that he had a poor game, rather, wondering what exactly people are expecting.

He had three attempts on goal. So did Berbatov. None of Berba's went in either.

And then you say you'd rather have Postiga… :roll:

 

[dannythomas]

His last league start was against Derby, three weeks ago. Prior to that, it was against Pompey on 15 December. Just how the hell do some people expect him to get any confidence or rhythm whatsoever with that amount of football?

Bent is a back up striker to Berbatov and Keane. He is not goung to get any rhythm in terms of a long run in the team unless one of them gets injured. That might change if he grabbed hold of one of those limited opportunities . But he is not doing that. I don't buy all this " he needs more games, he is lacking confidence " stuff. If he is really a 15m plus striker ( and I accept the price tag is not his fault ) then it is up to him to silence the " what a waste of money " chants up and down the country. Trouble is that many of us agree with those chants . And no we do not join in or boo him before all those posts come in.

 

[dannythomas]

Three games in three months, all but a week, and all three of them games in which the team played well below an acceptable standard. I'm not disputing that he had a poor game, rather, wondering what exactly people are expecting.

He had three attempts on goal. So did Berbatov. None of Berba's went in either.

And then you say you'd rather have Postiga… :roll:

Maybe not Postiga. But Kanoute for sure. He is in a different class to Bent who as I have said before is more of a Chris Armstrong. He would probably do OK if we reverted to a hoof it long and chase it George Graham or Charlton Athletic style of football. Is that what you want ?

 

[yanno]

O'Hara is not a left-sided midfielder (or a left fullback come to that). He is a central midfield player. I predicted from the first that if Ramos played him out of position that it would be a repeat of what happened wth Johnnie Jackson, and that the knuckle draggers would turn against him without giving him a proper chance. Let's hope that once the booing starts his confidence holds up better than JJs. We ruined that lad.

I totally agree.

I would add (as I've been saying for weeks) that Teemu Tainio is NOT a Full Back, of the Right or Left-sided variety. I really would rather Ramos simply didn't pick TT rather than stick him at FB.

My suspicion is that he keeps on playing Teemu because he's a great pro and a good influence in training - ie the anti-Chimbonda. But, for some reason which I'm sure is valid but which I don't understand, Juande doesn't want to pick him in CM. So, we get the really sad spectacle of an honest pro playing out of position and performing at a much lower level than is necessary.

I'm a huge fan of Ramos, and I'm beginning to wish we only had proper competitive matches - ie UEFA Cup matches - left this season. Then at least we could guarantee the players will be bothered, and Juande won't try too much crazy out-of-position stuff...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Maybe not Postiga. But Kanoute for sure. He is in a different class to Bent who as I have said before is more of a Chris Armstrong. He would probably do OK if we reverted to a hoof it long and chase it George Graham or Charlton Athletic style of football. Is that what you want ?

Uncanny, I got neg repped by A&C for saying the exact same thing two weeks ago.


SS & others
The point is, even if Bent was in the best form of his life it would still not improve us as a team. He does not hold the ball, he does not have great techinique, he cannot beat a defender (apart from in a straight race), he does not have vision, he lacks intelligence to adapt to a different more intricate style. The only way you will ever see the best of Bent is if you hump several balls per game over the top for him to chase. Even then he lacks finesse and is one footed.
So that narrows your creative outlet re Bent to the ball for him to chase and whack goalwards with his right peg. (of course I am purposefully oversimplifying but not by much).
The fe was not his fault, and personally I blame whoever decided they wanted such a limited player for so much money. Really fucking bizar, but not in a good way.

 

[SpurSince57]

Well, I don't think any of us is in that great a position to judge what he's potentially capable of, B-C, because I doubt any of has spent that much time over the past couple of seasons watching Charlton games. But you say he 'cannot beat a defender'; I did catch Charlton's game at Anfield last season, and he terrorised Agger and Carragher. And doesn't the 'except by pace' apply also to Torres?

For the moment, until he gets a decent run in the side, which is maybe the biggest problem (only Spurs could spend £15m+ on a bench-warmer), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But what really fucks me off is that he seems to have become the main focus of blame for yesterday's farce. Sure, he was indifferent at best, but was it his fault the Brummies were able to penetrate our defence seemingly at will every time they came forward? I think not.

 

[PYiddy]

did he make some good saves today or something, I wasnt realy looking at the game!

robbo made 2 great saves. unfortunatly, one was from zokora, which fell to forsell.

Im not his biggest fan, but to blame him in any way for this loss would be both harsh and unfair.

 

[SpurSince57]

He did make his obligatory flap at a cross, according to Bradley Allen on 949, but the saves from Forsell and Zokora were absolutely top-drawer—no-one could have complained if either of those had gone in, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the first of them figuring on MOTD's 'Save of the Season'. In addition, there were three or four other good/very good ones. If it hadn't been for him we'd be really sick.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well, I don't think any of us is in that great a position to judge what he's potentially capable of, B-C, because I doubt any of has spent that much time over the past couple of seasons watching Charlton games. But you say he 'cannot beat a defender'; I did catch Charlton's game at Anfield last season, and he terrorised Agger and Carragher. And doesn't the 'except by pace' apply also to Torres?

For the moment, until he gets a decent run in the side, which is maybe the biggest problem (only Spurs could spend £15m+ on a bench-warmer), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But what really fucks me off is that he seems to have become the main focus of blame for yesterday's farce. Sure, he was indifferent at best, but was it his fault the Brummies were able to penetrate our defence seemingly at will every time they came forward? I think not.

I've made no reference to yesterdays game, as I wasn't there and couldn't even bring myself to watch FF. Settled for MOTD which is never a true reflection of a game.

We've all seen plenty of Bent throughout his career. I've seen enough to know what he's capable of.

And the Torres comparison is, frankly, ridiculous. You said at the start of the season when I criticised the signing of Bent that you'd prefer Bent to Torres (or words to that effect).
And I said the same then.

 

[General Levy]

I've made no reference to yesterdays game, as I wasn't there and couldn't even bring myself to watch FF. Settled for MOTD which is never a true reflection of a game.

We've all seen plenty of Bent throughout his career. I've seen enough to know what he's capable of.

And the Torres comparison is, frankly, ridiculous. You said at the start of the season when I criticised the signing of Bent that you'd prefer Bent to Torres (or words to that effect).
And I said the same then.

 

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[General Levy]

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[Houdini]

Is this some kind of new fashion thing making the type so big?

If it is, then it wont last, Gothic Anorexia typeface is so 2004!

 

[General Levy]

If it is, then it wont last, Gothic Anorexia typeface is so 2004!

It is back in fashion fo sure.


































You can be our 4th member.

 

[Houdini]

It is back in fashion fo sure.


You can be our 4th member.

OK. I'm in! (any badges?)

 

[General Levy]

OK. I'm in! (any badges?)

No. You can just give yourself #4 as your custom title