Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

[TheGreenLily]

My mini panic over...


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1:04 PM - 7 Apr 2014

Stop it now...

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Some stuff from JJ on Twitter:

'haha, I wonder if daniel has actually got his man yet?..... probably not!'

JJ:

his man is whoring himself out with 1 eye on Man U as his first priority......

JJ on moyes:

they won't sack him this season I know that!

Whats chance of LVG to Spurs on scale of 10 ?

5

Well, if he's not going to United and only wants to go to the PL, I guess the only thing that could stop it happening is Levy being a prat it seems.

 

[marvel]

Confident we can get LVG?

so far so good but these things are complicated. I want him to keep quiet in the media now too though.

 

[bidtheyid]

What kind of smile did he give? Was it a 'no chance, mate, you're club is batshit' smile, or a cheeky 'of course I'm coming to the mighty spurs' smile?

I think it was a stop asking me questions smile lol

 

[thinktank]

I think it was a stop asking me questions smile lol

A scary smile then.

You're lucky his plums stayed in his pants tbh.

 

[marion52]

This LVG saga is so like the Bale saga last summer.
Half the camp think he's definitely coming the other half he definitely isn't.

I want to know who the 2nd and 3rd choice are if he turns out to be a no

 

[Cavehillspur]

These last few replies have literally made me laugh out loud

Same, in tears here LOL!

 

[atoubasrightfoot]

Let's face it, if it's not LVG then there's not a lot else out there. Do managers have a shelf life? I wonder if this would be like Edgar Davids with us being his last hurrah. Speaking of which he could be our second choice manager if barnet are happy to release him.....

 

[atoubasrightfoot]

Ah, I see he resigned from Barnet in jan. No one tell Levy.

 

[Mouse!]

Would be very surprised if Moyes leaves but if he did and they got LVG, I'd happily take Moyes.

 

[stevenurse]

Prandelli? De Boer? Capello? (I know. Me neither). Ancelotti when he gets the chop from Madrid? Steve Kean?

Lots of candidates but if they are mad enough to come here remains to be seen.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

We might "do a United" and hopefully announce it before the end of the season.

The club needs a boost, that is for sure

 

[Coyboy]

Ah, the old xenophobia argument. No, it wouldn't be different if he were 'Daveed Moyez'. It might be different if he was as good at being a football manager. That's as lazy an argument as me asking if you're related to him.

I am at a loss to understand how the performance of two managers with the same club can be complete secateurs - it's very relevant. Unless you think I'm criticising Moyes based on his performance with Utd against Martinez's performance with Everton? Because I'm not.

The point is this, Martinez is set to wipe out Moyes greatest achievement of 12 years there in one season and he's doing it by playing superior, multi-dimensional football. Martinez could justifiably come out and quote a bit of Harry 'Everton have never had it so good.'

I dispute that Moyes is 'a very talented manager'. He's good, as I've said before, but he plays a basic, direct style of football that is totally unsuited to us (and Utd).

I think you'll find that the general aversion to Moyes has more to do with his severe limitations as a manager and his industrial style of football than the fact he's not foreign. But if he's the drum you've chosen to bang then carry on.

Fair enough, I don't agree with much of that but it beats Jeremy Piven.

What I'm saying is that Martinez's success doesn't take much or anything from Moyes' time there; not least because I think that Everton's best players this year have been Lukaku, Barry, Merallas, Coleman, Baines and Osman (a very underated player). I'd say they were all very good players before Martinez came in, two or three weren't there under Moyes and I'd be surprised if he himself didn't give Moyes credit for nurturing and developing those players.

It may be just that Martinez is that much better coach than Moyes, in the same way that, I don't know, Ronaldo is a much better player than Bale. That doesn't make Bale any less talented.

I don't agree and never have agreed that Moyes' teams play direct or 'industrial football'. In fact I don't really know what you mean by that. They never resembled a long ball team to me. Martinez may play more possession type football but in reality the three goals yesterday came from getting the ball forwards quickly and playing at a high tempo. We all know from this autumn how "possession for possession sake" can be a curse rather than a gift. And I don't think Martinez employs that tactic.

Perhaps in the 04/05 season when Moyes had the likes of Carsley, Ferguson and Marcus Bent in the team they were pretty grim (but incredibly successful) but over the last four or five years, not for me. Some of United's goals on Saturday were excellent, for example.

I'm not xenophobic in the slightest. There is a school of thought here and within the football media that if someone is foreign, they are immediately superior. Moyes isn't fashionable, he's not particularly media friendly and he comes across as quite dour perhaps. Martinez, and Mourinho too, are the antithesis of that.

But if we want someone to come into Spurs to do well, surely we would want someone with a proven track record in the EPL? It's why I would also be happy with Benitez.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Fair enough, I don't agree with much of that but it beats Jeremy Piven.

What I'm saying is that Martinez's success doesn't take much or anything from Moyes' time there; not least because I think that Everton's best players this year have been Lukaku, Barry, Merallas, Coleman, Baines and Osman (a very underated player). I'd say they were all very good players before Martinez came in, two or three weren't there under Moyes and I'd be surprised if he himself didn't give Moyes credit for nurturing and developing those players.

It may be just that Martinez is that much better coach than Moyes, in the same way that, I don't know, Ronaldo is a much better player than Bale. That doesn't make Bale any less talented.

I don't agree and never have agreed that Moyes' teams play direct or 'industrial football'. In fact I don't really know what you mean by that. They never resembled a long ball team to me. Martinez may play more possession type football but in reality the three goals yesterday came from getting the ball forwards quickly and playing at a high tempo. We all know from this autumn how "possession for possession sake" can be a curse rather than a gift. And I don't think Martinez employs that tactic.

Perhaps in the 04/05 season when Moyes had the likes of Carsley, Ferguson and Marcus Bent in the team they were pretty grim (but incredibly successful) but over the last four or five years, not for me. Some of United's goals on Saturday were excellent, for example.

I'm not xenophobic in the slightest. There is a school of thought here and within the football media that if someone is foreign, they are immediately superior. Moyes isn't fashionable, he's not particularly media friendly and he comes across as quite dour perhaps. Martinez, and Mourinho too, are the antithesis of that.

But if we want someone to come into Spurs to do well, surely we would want someone with a proven track record in the EPL? It's why I would also be happy with Benitez.

The problem is, there is a fundamental problem with English coaches at the moment. I would love for English coaches to be as good as their European counter parts, but they are not.

Out date methods, tactics and attitude. That is why they are not in demand and it is sad but true. Who is to blame for all this. The FA, who have completely failed to move with the time and cared more about money than developing the full potential of English football. Until they modernise their attitudes I think English managers will suffer.

 

[AssaTM]

I'm not even sure it's the FA's fault, the problem is the majority of English managers that come through are old school English players, that bring that old school attitude with them, the managers with a more tactical approach are all slumming it in the lower leagues waiting for their big break, look at Brendan Rodgers, he didnt have much of a football playing career at all, so why are so many English managers given a job just cuz they're a house hold name, as if that somehow means they have a leg up on anyone else in management in this country. The English managers should look at themselves and ask themselves why so many European managers are hired, not complain they deserve a chance because when they get a chance they show that anything beyond a 4-4-2 is too much for them

 

[jimbo]

What I'm saying is that Martinez's success doesn't take much or anything from Moyes' time there; not least because I think that Everton's best players this year have been Lukaku, Barry, Merallas, Coleman, Baines and Osman (a very underated player). I'd say they were all very good players before Martinez came in, two or three weren't there under Moyes and I'd be surprised if he himself didn't give Moyes credit for nurturing and developing those players.

I'm sure he would give Moyes credit, he seems like that sort of guy. But I think where we disagree is what the Martinez season means. Before Martinez I think everyone would have said Moyes time there was a success, but now (and rightly in my opinion) they will question whether Moyes under-achieved.

It may be just that Martinez is that much better coach than Moyes, in the same way that, I don't know, Ronaldo is a much better player than Bale. That doesn't make Bale any less talented.

I'm far less in doubt about the superior talent of Martinez, and would point to his building of Swansea and Wigan as examples. Moyes had Preston North End and built nothing. I'm not saying that Moyes isn't a good manager, he just isn't anything special whereas I believe Martinez probably is. It would be better to say 'Ronaldo is a much better player than Scott Parker. That doesn't mean Scott Parker is shit.'

I don't agree and never have agreed that Moyes' teams play direct or 'industrial football'. In fact I don't really know what you mean by that. They never resembled a long ball team to me. Martinez may play more possession type football but in reality the three goals yesterday came from getting the ball forwards quickly and playing at a high tempo. We all know from this autumn how "possession for possession sake" can be a curse rather than a gift. And I don't think Martinez employs that tactic.

The good thing about Martinez is that he has shown himself to be adaptable to what he's got without compromising on style. Everton were beautifully direct yesterday, under Moyes they tended to be uglier. If there's a player who embodies David Moyes style of football it has to be Fellaini. Fellaini is not a Spurs type of player.

Perhaps in the 04/05 season when Moyes had the likes of Carsley, Ferguson and Marcus Bent in the team they were pretty grim (but incredibly successful) but over the last four or five years, not for me. Some of United's goals on Saturday were excellent, for example.

He also had a Thomas Gravesen who played so well he got himself a move to Real Madrid, he did well to achieve what he did but it wasn't a team full of total cloggers like '95 Everton. He also spectacularly failed in Europe and spectacularly failed when under pressure for a trophy with his FA Cup semi-final defeats - something we've seen enough by now surely?

I'm not xenophobic in the slightest. There is a school of thought here and within the football media that if someone is foreign, they are immediately superior. Moyes isn't fashionable, he's not particularly media friendly and he comes across as quite dour perhaps. Martinez, and Mourinho too, are the antithesis of that.

I wasn't trying to suggest you were xenophobic, I was just refuting that my reason for preferring Martinez to Moyes had anything to do with Moyes being Scottish and Martinez European. In fact, Martinez has been in English football for so long I'm not sure he counts as a foreign manager any more.

But if we want someone to come into Spurs to do well, surely we would want someone with a proven track record in the EPL? It's why I would also be happy with Benitez.

If we've learned anything from this season it must surely be that we need a manager that will, at least for the greater part, unite the fans. If we've learned anything from this debate it must be that Moyes definitely won't do that. I expect it would take no time at all for the majority of us to start moaning about his style of football and 'the Tottenham way'.

Besides, if Moyes leaves United in the near future it will be as a failure. I don't think we're the club for him to restart his career, in fact I think we would probably destroy him utterly as we have with so many others.

 

[dbspurs]

Wouldn't surprise me if Benitez is in the running. Would prefer Van Gaal but i think Benitez would be great.

My top three would be: -

1 Van Gaal
2 Ancelotti
3 Benitez

 

[dagraham]

Wouldn't surprise me if Benitez is in the running. Would prefer Van Gaal but i think Benitez would be great.

My top three would be: -

1 Van Gaal
2 Ancelotti
3 Benitez

Forgot about Benitez. Another name to throw out there is Mancini. I have been told by somebody who knows Mancini's agent that Levy has sounded him out before.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Wouldn't surprise me if Benitez is in the running. Would prefer Van Gaal but i think Benitez would be great.

My top three would be: -

1 Van Gaal
2 Ancelotti
3 Benitez

LVG, FDB, Pochettino and Yakin would be my candidates, I don't think Ancelotti is a realistic target, and I doubt Benetez would move after 1 season.

Just a note on Moyes, firstly, I don't think he will be sacked, secondly his style of play is very much "play it wide, play it to the big man" type stuff, quite frankly chalk and cheese to what Martinez is serving up.

 

[nasescoba1985]

I love the fact that the guy who says he doesn't mind Moyes is getting rinsed to fuck on here with GIFS