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[rez9000]

And the players, he also fell out with Isco, James and Ronaldo

The fact that he had a high win percentage and got sacked for being unpopular just solidifies my point about him, his character doesn't really fit with modern day players at big clubs.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he'd turn any big club he manages into a threat, especially one like Utd.

 

[SteveH]

United should get Dyche in AND most of his players.
The last thing they need now is Real Madrid or any more overpriced egos.
Heads up United, Arsenal will be selling/disposing of some cracking overpriced egos in the summer.

 

[hellava_tough]

They should ditch OGS asap and get Simeone

I don't care if they'd have to pay OGS and also look like laughing stocks

But they won't, and for that I'm happy

 

['O Zio]

He had a 68% win rate at Real Madrid. He only lost three matches out of 25. He didn't leave because he failed. He was forced out because he was unpopular with the fans. Just like at Chelsea. Since managing Valencia, his win percentage has only ever fallen below 50% twice - at Inter and in his current job with Newcastle.

But you're sort of proving the point in a way. Surely being able to manage the egos of both the players and the fans is one of the key factors that determines whether a manager is suitable for the top job at one of these "elite"/"mega" clubs as opposed to just a very good club?

At clubs like Madrid, just being able to win most of your games isn't enough because that's the bare minimum requirement, and they can do that to a certain extent regardless of who the manager is because they've simply got much better players than 90% of the teams they play. (Almost) every manager who gets appointed to those sort of jobs is a "good" manager, but what sets the "elite" managers apart is, at least in part, their ability to just seem like they fit there. I know a lot of that is superficial but unfortunately it's something that fans and players of those clubs take into account, whether subconsciously or otherwise. You might be tactically a genius but if you can't get the top players and the fans to respect you then none of that matters. Being able to give the impression that you belong at the top is massive in any business if you're "the boss". I'm sure we've all had bosses whose numbers stack up but everyone in the office thinks they're out of their depth and vice versa, there are people who seem like they know what they're doing but behind the scenes are clueless. It's just part of life.

On top of all that, like most statistics/facts, win % in isolation means absolutely nothing, in particular with such a small sample size as the amount of games he had at Madrid and Chelsea.

 

[SteveH]

STOP PRESS
United 'considering move for Everton star Richarlison' as Solskjaer eyes up to FIVE signings in huge summer shake-up

OMG

If you must. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6962633/Manchester-United-considering-Everton-star-Richarlison.html

 

[Gb160]

 

[Shadydan]

STOP PRESS
United 'considering move for Everton star Richarlison' as Solskjaer eyes up to FIVE signings in huge summer shake-up

OMG

If you must. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6962633/Manchester-United-considering-Everton-star-Richarlison.html

This summer their fans are gonna realise how far they've fallen with the players they're linked to and who they'll eventually end up with.

 

[rez9000]

But you're sort of proving the point in a way. Surely being able to manage the egos of both the players and the fans is one of the key factors that determines whether a manager is suitable for the top job at one of these "elite"/"mega" clubs as opposed to just a very good club?

At clubs like Madrid, just being able to win most of your games isn't enough because that's the bare minimum requirement, and they can do that to a certain extent regardless of who the manager is because they've simply got much better players than 90% of the teams they play. (Almost) every manager who gets appointed to those sort of jobs is a "good" manager, but what sets the "elite" managers apart is, at least in part, their ability to just seem like they fit there. I know a lot of that is superficial but unfortunately it's something that fans and players of those clubs take into account, whether subconsciously or otherwise. You might be tactically a genius but if you can't get the top players and the fans to respect you then none of that matters. Being able to give the impression that you belong at the top is massive in any business if you're "the boss". I'm sure we've all had bosses whose numbers stack up but everyone in the office thinks they're out of their depth and vice versa, there are people who seem like they know what they're doing but behind the scenes are clueless. It's just part of life.

On top of all that, like most statistics/facts, win % in isolation means absolutely nothing, in particular with such a small sample size as the amount of games he had at Madrid and Chelsea.

And yet, he won the Europa League up against all those fans and big egos, the Champions League with those big egos, I'd hesitate to add the Club World Championship as well. The man is a proven winner. And if you want another example of managing a big ego - Mike Ashley: egos don't get much bigger than that.

 

[Krule]

Looks like Alexis Sanchez will have to come out of semi-retirement next season and actually kick a ball to earn some money....poor bastard. He represents what is rotten with the sport..not saying it's all his fault but such a situation should never,ever be allowed to happen. £500K a week for doing fuck all. Whoever wrote the contract terms and conditions wants shooting.

 

['O Zio]

And yet, he won the Europa League up against all those fans and big egos, the Champions League with those big egos, I'd hesitate to add the Club World Championship as well. The man is a proven winner. And if you want another example of managing a big ego - Mike Ashley: egos don't get much bigger than that.

But exactly, he won trophies with them and they still didn't care because he just didn't fit. They just saw it as winning despite him rather than because of him so it wasn't enough.

 

[Insomnia]

Looks like Alexis Sanchez will have to come out of semi-retirement next season and actually kick a ball to earn some money....poor bastard. He represents what is rotten with the sport..not saying it's all his fault but such a situation should never,ever be allowed to happen. £500K a week for doing fuck all. Whoever wrote the contract terms and conditions wants shooting.

Not by Sanchez though, he'd miss

 

[rez9000]

But exactly, he won trophies with them and they still didn't care because he just didn't fit. They just saw it as winning despite him rather than because of him so it wasn't enough.

How is that relevant? They still won. I said that were Benitez appointed by Man U he would make them effective. That, for me, would make him a dangerous appointment if one's desire is for Man U to remain ineffective.

EDIT: It's also worth taking into consideration at the moment, the Man U fanbase's attitude when it comes to their players. Not much love lost at the moment. Any player who starts to agitate may be given short shrift, bolstering the manager's position, as is happening with OGS at the moment.

 

['O Zio]

How is that relevant? They still won. I said that were Benitez appointed by Man U he would make them effective. That, for me, would make him a dangerous appointment if one's desire is for Man U to remain ineffective.

EDIT: It's also worth taking into consideration at the moment, the Man U fanbase's attitude when it comes to their players. Not much love lost at the moment. Any player who starts to agitate may be given short shrift, bolstering the manager's position, as is happening with OGS at the moment.

It's relevent because of what I said. Making them effective isn't enough. He was effective at real Madrid, he was effective at chelsea, but that wasn't enough. He couldn't get the players on his side, he couldn't get the fans on his side, ultimately despite being a good manager, he didn't have what it took to be a manager at that level. If you're at a club like Madrid, merely winning most of your games is the minimum requirement

 

[rez9000]

It's relevent because of what I said. Making them effective isn't enough. He was effective at real Madrid, he was effective at chelsea, but that wasn't enough. He couldn't get the players on his side, he couldn't get the fans on his side, ultimately despite being a good manager, he didn't have what it took to be a manager at that level.

Well, as I said, agree to disagree - even if that were true, his stock has risen significantly since being at Newcastle. If he leaves, he'll be in demand and I can see Man U making a beeline for him. And for him to start to steady their ship. Unfortunately.

 

['O Zio]

Well, as I said, agree to disagree - even if that were true, his stock has risen significantly since being at Newcastle. If he leaves, he'll be in demand and I can see Man U making a beeline for him. And for him to start to steady their ship. Unfortunately.

I don't doubt that his stock is high. He's done a very good job at Newcastle. Maybe the likes of man utdwill come in for him but I suppose my overriding point is that i just don't think he'll be successful long term there. Like I say I think he's a good manager but being a big name manager at a "small" club seems to me to be his level rather than being at a massive club. Just my two cents anyway, as you say we'll have to just agree to disagree on this one I guess.

 

[Spurger King]

Well, as I said, agree to disagree - even if that were true, his stock has risen significantly since being at Newcastle. If he leaves, he'll be in demand and I can see Man U making a beeline for him. And for him to start to steady their ship. Unfortunately.

Apparently the Liverpool board used to have a joke about Rafa. ‘Why does he play three DMs? Because he doesn’t have four’.

I rate him, but he’s too defensive for United fans. Plus I really can’t see him ever going to United. He still goes to the Hillsborough events.

 

[Col_M]

I think they should get Phil Neville. Just to make it funnier

 

[Krule]

What worries me is the speed at which I think they have been able to realise what a huge mistake they made by selecting Ole. I was hoping they would be languishing mid table for quite a few years before thinking "Oh Shit this isn't going to work". I have no doubt that "enquiries" will be ongoing during the summer for his eventual replacement and it will be interesting to see just what changes are made to the team in the transfer market. Will they allow him to blow a small fortune or just pacify him with a couple out and a couple in as they plot his gentlemanly downfall ??
That's why I want Spurs to win the CL and finish third........then when they come knocking Poch can turn round and say "Why would I possibly want to come to you when I have built all this ?"

 

[Spurger King]

What worries me is the speed at which I think they have been able to realise what a huge mistake they made by selecting Ole. I was hoping they would be languishing mid table for quite a few years before thinking "Oh Shit this isn't going to work". I have no doubt that "enquiries" will be ongoing during the summer for his eventual replacement and it will be interesting to see just what changes are made to the team in the transfer market. Will they allow him to blow a small fortune or just pacify him with a couple out and a couple in as they plot his gentlemanly downfall ??
That's why I want Spurs to win the CL and finish third........then when they come knocking Poch can turn round and say "Why would I possibly want to come to you when I have built all this ?"

I see it as being very similar to the situation we had with Sherwood. Given a permanent contract, then eventually ditched. I doubt the owners will care about looking foolish and rash if they’re not getting the results (though the payout to the troll doll will be amusing).

Ancelotti would be a good fit for them. Or Roy Keane if they want to go full Bielsa.

 

[Johnny J]

I see it as being very similar to the situation we had with Sherwood. Given a permanent contract, then eventually ditched. I doubt the owners will care about looking foolish and rash if they’re not getting the results (though the payout to the troll doll will be amusing).

Ancelotti would be a good fit for them. Or Roy Keane if they want to go full Bielsa.

Roy Keane would walk out the door in a few days or weeks. He has contempt for some of the current team and their attitude.