Let's All Laugh At... Let's All Laugh At West Ham

[BehindEnemyLines]

I don't understand how the transformation costs are not state aid? They benefit no one other than West Ham. No other sport or event will require the seats to be moved in such a way.......in fact, it is effectively the detriment of every other use.

 

[beats1]

Real madrid were done under eu state aid law. Uefa may have changed the rules since (although i haven't heard anything).
West ham are unlikely to be done as they could just point to the likes of many european clubs that also lease their stadiums from the government/councils.

See below

There is a good book on Coventry's move to the Ricoh and there have been a lot of similarities imo

Like one bit, Coventry were ordered to pay a £1m rent for the Ricoh Arena. Now how did the council get to that figure?

Now the local council couldn't give the stadium for free to Coventry as it wouldn't conform with the EU law for state funded clubs. So to get around it they realised that coventry at their old ground were paying £800k for maintenance costs. Therefore if the council paid those costs and charged the club rent, they could get around the state funded rules, as they were providing a service, of course this went tits when they got relegated.

Sound familiar?

West Ham did the same thing as Coventry did

Worth noting that coventry council spent a lot of money on lawyers to look in to EU law and saw that this was one way where they could finance the stadium without breaking the law

Sure. But leasing is different to policing and steward costs. I'm in favour of councils having an input and an element of control of local sports clubs/stadiums. It's a good thing. But clubs mustn't be aided of tax payer cash from people who have no interest in said sport or even people who support another team. The caveat is the local council should support these cultural areas if the club/activities are running at a loss but add benefit.

West Ham are not running at a loss. Why should they get state funding when Leyton Orient doesn't?

See above

 

[SugarRay]

The track cannot quietly disappear.

A certain smooth headed chap who works in North London ensured that the track had to stay as part of West Ham's "winning" option. That was the criteria used to make sure Tottenham didn't get the site. The legal bill would be astronomical...they'd need that fantasy Arab trillionaire they are always talking about attracting, just to settle the compensation due to Tottenham.

 

[Wellspurs]

You've got to feel sorry for Fonte missing out on a Wembley Cup Final?

 

[ernie78]

You've got to feel sorry for Fonte missing out on a Wembley Cup Final?

Every game is like a cup final at the "London Stadium"

 

[edson]

 

[Col_M]

The track cannot quietly disappear.

A certain smooth headed chap who works in North London ensured that the track had to stay as part of West Ham's "winning" option. That was the criteria used to make sure Tottenham didn't get the site. The legal bill would be astronomical...they'd need that fantasy Arab trillionaire they are always talking about attracting, just to settle the compensation due to Tottenham.

I disagree. If the overwhelming opinion is that this is losing money, they will reassess and make the right decision. Will we be willing to be the bad guys in fighting this in court for something that no longer affects us? The only positive outcome for us is a substantial compensation payout. But from who? We can't get it from the government after the exposure of wasted money, this just makes it worse. From West Ham? They can't afford it, they'd have to offer us a discount on the Popcorn Candyfloss mega deal for the next 500 years.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

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You've got to feel sorry for Fonte missing out on a Wembley Cup Final?

That's such an odd transfer. Why would you go on strike to move from a good club like southampton to go to a yoyo club that's always in turmoil.......oh yeah, but surely someone better would offer more cash?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

West Ham did the same thing as Coventry did

A fine business model to follow - clearly they aspire to be as big and successful as the mighty Sky Blues currently are. Seems to be working so far...

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Their proceeding on a fan enjoyment rationalisation project.

 

[dontcallme]

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That's such an odd transfer. Why would you go on strike to move from a good club like southampton to go to a yoyo club that's always in turmoil.......oh yeah, but surely someone better would offer more cash?

He's 33 and Saints were only offering a 1 year deal. West Ham have given him a 3 year deal.

Not to say Southampton are wrong but many players at that age want a longer contract. Remember he did play several seasons in the lower leagues with Southampton so hasn't spent an entire career on the highest wage.

 

[robbiedee]

I see Spammers have upped their bid for Snodgrass to match or better Burnleys offer...

Hull are saying its down to the player to decide where he goes now... surely their initial low ball offer means they don't rate him as highly as Burnley...

It' be amusing if he blew out West Ham for Burnley...but unfortunately I'd imagine he'd chose West Ham.

 

[Lilbaz]

I disagree. If the overwhelming opinion is that this is losing money, they will reassess and make the right decision. Will we be willing to be the bad guys in fighting this in court for something that no longer affects us? The only positive outcome for us is a substantial compensation payout. But from who? We can't get it from the government after the exposure of wasted money, this just makes it worse. From West Ham? They can't afford it, they'd have to offer us a discount on the Popcorn Candyfloss mega deal for the next 500 years.

Athletics have a 50 year lease they will want something. Whatever you say about football it is still a good stadium for athletics.

 

[robbiedee]

I disagree. If the overwhelming opinion is that this is losing money, they will reassess and make the right decision. Will we be willing to be the bad guys in fighting this in court for something that no longer affects us? The only positive outcome for us is a substantial compensation payout. But from who? We can't get it from the government after the exposure of wasted money, this just makes it worse. From West Ham? They can't afford it, they'd have to offer us a discount on the Popcorn Candyfloss mega deal for the next 500 years.

One poster on KUMB wrote this while discussing how to improve the Stadium as it currently is...

Hoping we can buy the stadium in a few years and get the stands closer, only way it will happen now, distances at present are just unacceptable.........looks terrible on TV as well.

another poster replied...

My thinking is that the seating would need replacing as a whole, for all intense and purposes rebuilding the seating within the bowl area, i.e four new stands with exec boxes, or three with boxes ans a large one tier stand for BM right up to pitch like new spuds ground and at a better rake angle.

the Outside, concourses etc will remain same, just the building of concrete stands with Claret & Blue Seats within the bowl, looking at other stadium builds it would most likely cost £100m, but if we get the ground for £1 when it is unsustainable to the tax payer then woohoo.

So I think there maybe quite a few Spammers with this belief that after the realisation that the Stadium is a constant burden on the Tax Payer then maybe it will be handed over to someone else to pick up the bill.

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

One poster on KUMB wrote this while discussing how to improve the Stadium as it currently is...

Hoping we can buy the stadium in a few years and get the stands closer, only way it will happen now, distances at present are just unacceptable.........looks terrible on TV as well.

another poster replied...

My thinking is that the seating would need replacing as a whole, for all intense and purposes rebuilding the seating within the bowl area, i.e four new stands with exec boxes, or three with boxes ans a large one tier stand for BM right up to pitch like new spuds ground and at a better rake angle.

the Outside, concourses etc will remain same, just the building of concrete stands with Claret & Blue Seats within the bowl, looking at other stadium builds it would most likely cost £100m, but if we get the ground for £1 when it is unsustainable to the tax payer then woohoo.

So I think there maybe quite a few Spammers with this belief that after the realisation that the Stadium is a constant burden on the Tax Payer then maybe it will be handed over to someone else to pick up the bill.

Didn't Levy get a clause inserted that stated this couldn't happen?

 

[Real_madyidd]

One poster on KUMB wrote this while discussing how to improve the Stadium as it currently is...

Hoping we can buy the stadium in a few years and get the stands closer, only way it will happen now, distances at present are just unacceptable.........looks terrible on TV as well.

another poster replied...

My thinking is that the seating would need replacing as a whole, for all intense and purposes rebuilding the seating within the bowl area, i.e four new stands with exec boxes, or three with boxes ans a large one tier stand for BM right up to pitch like new spuds ground and at a better rake angle.

the Outside, concourses etc will remain same, just the building of concrete stands with Claret & Blue Seats within the bowl, looking at other stadium builds it would most likely cost £100m, but if we get the ground for £1 when it is unsustainable to the tax payer then woohoo.

So I think there maybe quite a few Spammers with this belief that after the realisation that the Stadium is a constant burden on the Tax Payer then maybe it will be handed over to someone else to pick up the bill.

If they are going to get the stadium for£1, I will offer £2.

 

[JerryGarcia]

If they are going to get the stadium for£1, I will offer £2.

I would love to own their stadium, I'd double the number of lanes on the running track and move the fans further away from the pitch. I'd close down all food vendors apart for the popcorn sellers and I'd give a life ban to anyone who turned up wearing the colour claret on any item of clothing.

 

[nailsy]

Why are they taking about rebuilding or renovating it? They don't own it so apart from the direct cost what about all the other events that are meant to take place there that would need to be cancelled? They do only use it for 20 days of the year don't they?

 

[Lilbaz]

Why are they taking about rebuilding or renovating it? They don't own it so apart from the direct cost what about all the other events that are meant to take place there that would need to be cancelled? They do only use it for 20 days of the year don't they?

Also if anyone is stupid enough to give them a naming rights deal that would have to be bought out. Also after the crap brady was spouting about not sharing the stadium where would west ham play while all the work is being done? Wembley?

 

[Armstrong_11]

The stadium has already been build, and renovated. Nothing major is gonna take place.

West Ham fans can hope and dream but no one is gonna do anything about the seating.

West Ham had to realise they were renting a venue build to host athletics completions. The seats as built to be "shallow" so u can see the runners.

The only thing the management can do is promise to have better stewards, separation, hospitality, etc etc... They can't tear or down or change the seating cause they do not own the place. They are juz the "major tenant" like supermarket and cinema logos on shopping centres.

West Ham is screwed..... At least for the next 50 years. Unless they get lots of investment and fund to build a football stadium.