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[neogenisis]

Jurgen Klopp's priceless reaction to another Manchester United defeat caught on camera

Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp grimaced after finding out Manchester United were thrashed 3-0 by Newcastle on Wednesday night. The Carabao Cup holders were dumped out in the fourth round as the Magpie…

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Loved this.

 

[Marty]

It isn't many months ago that most of us would have agreed with that, tbf. But it's funny now.

 

[jurgen11]

Just need looser socks..problem solved

 

[BorjeSpurs]

It isn't many months ago that most of us would have agreed with that, tbf. But it's funny now.

I was impressed with how he dealt with some issues re Ronaldo and putting Rashford on the bench when he was late for a team meeting etc. A 3rd place in the league, FA cup final and League Cup title was a really good season for him, but it still had quite a few question marks.

- Rashford scoring 30 goals in all comps. He is normally a streaky player that goes in and out of form during the season, but was able to delay his bad form to this season (conveniently for him after he signed a new contract in the summer).

- Every domestic cup game that wasn't two-legged or at Wembley were played at Old Trafford.

- Against last year's top 9 away from home they lost seven games and drew 1 (away to Ryan Mason's Spurs).

- They conceded 7 goals at Anfield, 6 at the Etihad and 4 at Brentford in one half.

I think we've reached the point now where he is not going to be there next season, but given how long they stood by Solskjaer and the failed interim experiment with Rangnick, I think he's going to last longer than people think this season.

 

[alfie103]

People often cite players 'downing tools'.

But I think people should try to relate this to their own workplace. Imagine, your boss' style rubs you up the wrong way and you and your colleagues don't like the way they manage. Maybe they overload you with work too.

That just creates all sorts of discontent. You may resent doing the work, you may rush it and make mistakes knowing that you have more on your plate. You also may have been given no direction so do the work without really understanding why.

Then of course when the boss starts ordering you to do stuff, a part of you is going to be like 'fuck you, I will do it but it won't be 100% of my effort"

That can happen to football players too.

A lot of people have to work with bosses they don't like and most people can't afford to 'down tools' as you are as likely to get sacked as your boss is. The footballers know they hold the power and know it is often easier (and cheaper) to sack a manager rather than get rid of players. It may be understandable but as elite professionals, they should show more professionalism.

Of course this is all dependant if players have downed tools and my comment is more of a general one rather than aimed at United specifically.

 

[Col_M]

Jurgen Klopp's priceless reaction to another Manchester United defeat caught on camera

Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp grimaced after finding out Manchester United were thrashed 3-0 by Newcastle on Wednesday night. The Carabao Cup holders were dumped out in the fourth round as the Magpie…

talksport.com

Loved this.

"grimaced".

 

[dontcallme]

A lot of people have to work with bosses they don't like and most people can't afford to 'down tools' as you are as likely to get sacked as your boss is. The footballers know they hold the power and know it is often easier (and cheaper) to sack a manager rather than get rid of players. It may be understandable but as elite professionals, they should show more professionalism.

Of course this is all dependant if players have downed tools and my comment is more of a general one rather than aimed at United specifically.

The simple truth is with a bad manager your performance and happiness goes down.

I’ve worked in plenty of jobs where employees need the job but are less productive because of how the manager treats them.

Bad managers is the main reason I have left numerous jobs.

 

[kev1nxxx]

But after you left performance and happiness went back up....

 

[dontcallme]

I can’t say I feel bad for them.

Growing up in the 90s, they were very much top dog in England. Even when they didn’t win the league they were considered the biggest and the best.

Their fans were mostly very smug. Genuinely believing themselves above others due to the success of the team they support. I’ve always found football banter a bit weird and fans thinking their team’s success was reflection of themselves, Utd took it to a consistently smug level.

 

[rossdapep]

AVB had Sherwood working against him from the inside too of course. We don’t know if ten hag has to deal with such a divisive figure behind the scenes too. It doesn’t seem like it as nobody in the press is being briefed against him with such ferocity that AVB had to endure from that guy who used to work at the Sun and now funnily enough works at Man Utd.

What was the name of that prick? I remember he was always trying to get a rise out of AVB

 

[rossdapep]

M

A lot of people have to work with bosses they don't like and most people can't afford to 'down tools' as you are as likely to get sacked as your boss is. The footballers know they hold the power and know it is often easier (and cheaper) to sack a manager rather than get rid of players. It may be understandable but as elite professionals, they should show more professionalism.

Of course this is all dependant if players have downed tools and my comment is more of a general one rather than aimed at United specifically.

Maybe but do you think Eriksen downs tools?

Some players will play into that. Especially at United as they have a few bad apples but you see it very often how good professionals struggle to reach their top level.

Was Romero phoning it in last season? Or was he just in a bad place with the coach which will always effect performance

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Was Romero phoning it in last season? Or was he just in a bad place with the coach which will always effect performance

What is the difference?

I don't think players really set out to intentionally get a manager sacked - but there comes a time, when the players are no longer motivated by a manager, and the daily grind wears on them, and they end up going through the motions. We've seen it countless times - Just in the last dozen years at Spurs - end of AVB's run, end of Poch's tenure, end of Conte, all of Nuno, end of Conte.


So, I don't see a difference with Romero "phoning it in" or just in a bad place due to the manager. Either way he was not motivated the way you see from him this season.

 

[rossdapep]

People often cite players 'downing tools'.

But I think people should try to relate this to their own workplace. Imagine, your boss' style rubs you up the wrong way and you and your colleagues don't like the way they manage. Maybe they overload you with work too.

That just creates all sorts of discontent. You may resent doing the work, you may rush it and make mistakes knowing that you have more on your plate. You also may have been given no direction so do the work without really understanding why.

Then of course when the boss starts ordering you to do stuff, a part of you is going to be like 'fuck you, I will do it but it won't be 100% of my effort"

That can happen to football players too.

I'll put it another way as some are going to rip into players no matter what.

I know a professional player who was playing under a coach who had him running a lot every session apart from rest days and strecth days.

He is an attacking midfielder who likes to press but is also the creative hub of the team.

Yet his coach was telling him he needed to be dropping deep, pressing all over and then sprinting into attack during transition.

He was playing 90 mins every week.

His goals and assists dropped significantly and the coach was demanding more from him. He wasnt working hard enough for the goals.

But the player said he felt tired to offer more in attack as he to sometimes be focusing on finding space to receive rather than non-stop sprinting.

He got injured 3 times in that period, despite hardly being injured to that point.

This is why players complain or show concerns. They know their bodies and they know their limits.

I still believe this is what happened with Eriksen. He was running more than anyone every week but by his last 2 seasons with us became half the player. It took its toll.

Players should be listened to when they are being overloaded.

Look at our group now. Do you think Ange is pushing them hard? Of course he is, but they are happy. Probably because if the football but also cause they are probably not being overloaded.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I watched the first 60 yesterday (until the 3rd goal went in).

In the second half United came out and played reasonably well (Amrabat and Mount stand out players).

However two problems for United, their defence (Reguillon, Lindelof, Maguire, Dalot).. that's atrocious. Says something when Maguire is your best defender. How Lindelof and Dalot are still playing I have no idea.

And they had Martial up front alongside Garnacho, Hannibal (an idiot) Anthony and Martial.

So a defence that can't defend and an attack that can't score goals.

In Ten Haags defence they are missing their first team back four, but still losing 3 nil at home to a Newcastle reserve team is grounds for dismissal.

 

[Yiddo100]

Senior United reporter, beginning of the end.

 

[muppetman]

The worry is that they do sort themselves out, get a manager with a clue and spend some of that vast wedge sensibly!

Ten Hag in I say!

 

[Gingernut]

I'll put it another way as some are going to rip into players no matter what.

I know a professional player who was playing under a coach who had him running a lot every session apart from rest days and strecth days.

He is an attacking midfielder who likes to press but is also the creative hub of the team.

Yet his coach was telling him he needed to be dropping deep, pressing all over and then sprinting into attack during transition.

He was playing 90 mins every week.

His goals and assists dropped significantly and the coach was demanding more from him. He wasnt working hard enough for the goals.

But the player said he felt tired to offer more in attack as he to sometimes be focusing on finding space to receive rather than non-stop sprinting.

He got injured 3 times in that period, despite hardly being injured to that point.

This is why players complain or show concerns. They know their bodies and they know their limits.

I still believe this is what happened with Eriksen. He was running more than anyone every week but by his last 2 seasons with us became half the player. It took its toll.

Players should be listened to when they are being overloaded.

Look at our group now. Do you think Ange is pushing them hard? Of course he is, but they are happy. Probably because if the football but also cause they are probably not being overloaded.

And we arent in the league cup or Europe either - less matches

 

[dontcallme]

The worry is that they do sort themselves out, get a manager with a clue and spend some of that vast wedge sensibly!

Ten Hag in I say!

Problem is, for them, it takes a few seasons to do that.

They have massively backed ETH. Spent really big on players like Antony, Casemiro, etc.

The ones not working out will take time to move on and even if you scout properly a few signings always fail to work out.

Full strength their 1st team is pretty decent. The Glazers have backed ETH and bought players he wanted. The next manager will have to undo a lot of this.

 

[muppetman]

Problem is, for them, it takes a few seasons to do that.

They have massively backed ETH. Spent really big on players like Antony, Casemiro, etc.

The ones not working out will take time to move on and even if you scout properly a few signings always fail to work out.

Full strength their 1st team is pretty decent. The Glazers have backed ETH and bought players he wanted. The next manager will have to undo a lot of this.

You could be right, but Ange is an example of what a difference having the right person in the right place can make.

Hopefully the Glazers and Ten Hag hang around for a long time to come.

 

[dirtyh]

Problem is, for them, it takes a few seasons to do that.

They have massively backed ETH. Spent really big on players like Antony, Casemiro, etc.

The ones not working out will take time to move on and even if you scout properly a few signings always fail to work out.

Full strength their 1st team is pretty decent. The Glazers have backed ETH and bought players he wanted. The next manager will have to undo a lot of this.

yup, this is spot on. We go on about ndombele but whilst he's in the building, he's nowhere near the playing squad. United have loads of players actually in the eleven who are either past it or just plain shit, all on massive wages and having consumed massive transfer fees. You'd think they'd have to spend the same again to fix the playing side at least, this will take time especially with the ownership thing bubbling away in the background.

with so many of the manager's picks being utter gash, that's going to make things even worse. Personally i can't see him making christmas, even if they perk up a bit, i think the damage has already been done although you could argue that because most of the team are his picks he has to be given more time to try and turn it around. great points about how transformative ange has been but he's had a good starting group, added some great quality and worked with a consistent approach. united have none of this, they've started with a mess, added more shit and put it all in a blender hoping something nice comes out the other end.