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[jondy1]

Read an article a couple of days ago mentioning that Dutch guy Steve McLaren ? going there as his assistant, let’s hope so

 

[YB123]

Read an article a couple of days ago mentioning that Dutch guy Steve McLaren ? going there as his assistant, let’s hope so

Yep, oddly enough ETH was his assistant at Twente when they won the league (I think)

 

[Tucker]

Unless they have a big clear out and let him build the team he wants without the board interfering with galactico signings then he’ll be doomed to failure just like Moyes, LVG, Jose, OGS and Ragnick have been.

There’s something rotten at the core of that Untied dressing room. They need to give someone the backing to cut it out.

 

[ajspurs]

Yeah seems it’s going to happen, honestly wish he wasn’t going there. The only big issue I see is more Utd, they will need to give him what he wants and time to change things.

I don't really mind who goes there now really, I think most of all I'm just relieved they didn't go for Conte. Is strange seeing Neville saying he's not right for United, when I think he would be right for them for the same reasons I think he's so right for us.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Unless they have a big clear out and let him build the team he wants without the board interfering with galactico signings then he’ll be doomed to failure just like Moyes, LVG, Jose, OGS and Ragnick have been.

There’s something rotten at the core of that Untied dressing room. They need to give someone the backing to cut it out.

Absolutely rotten.

The trouble is when players now get to United, they think they've made it and they have the right to play week in week out, regardless of performance.

Under Ferguson, you had to earn the right to play for them, or they were out, regardless of who they were or what they'd done in previous weeks, months or years.

Sadly, there are many players like this now.

 

[whitechina]

This maybe unpopular, but I really have a disliking for De Gea. Henderson was always much better from my POV (I know- I know nothing) and DG has kicked off in the press a few times over the years. That's just to start with- many changes going to happen there this summer

 

[TheGreatOldOne]

Unless they have a big clear out and let him build the team he wants without the board interfering with galactico signings then he’ll be doomed to failure just like Moyes, LVG, Jose, OGS and Ragnick have been.

There’s something rotten at the core of that Untied dressing room. They need to give someone the backing to cut it out.

Agreed.

I don't think he has a strong enough personal character or international standing to stand up to the divas and egos of United, both those on the pitch and in the boardrooms. He may be a brilliant coach, but that won't be enough if he can't rebuild the team completely, which I very much doubt he will be able to. There is way too much money invested in that team for the United leadership to get rid of many of them. ETH will be forced to work with the current squad, although there will be some coming and going.

I think their situation is comparable to ours: a lot of players underperforming and a leadership that is not willing to, or able to, to orchestrate a full clear-out. In such circumstances appointing someone like Nuno is a disaster, but getting someone like Conte in is the only way. I think ETH will just be a more skilled Nuno for them, and be yet another period of chaos and poor performances, with some moments of individual brilliance thrown into it (probably against Spurs)

 

[spursfan77]

Agreed.

I don't think he has a strong enough personal character or international standing to stand up to the divas and egos of United, both those on the pitch and in the boardrooms. He may be a brilliant coach, but that won't be enough if he can't rebuild the team completely, which I very much doubt he will be able to. There is way too much money invested in that team for the United leadership to get rid of many of them. ETH will be forced to work with the current squad, although there will be some coming and going.

I think their situation is comparable to ours: a lot of players underperforming and a leadership that is not willing to, or able to, to orchestrate a full clear-out. In such circumstances appointing someone like Nuno is a disaster, but getting someone like Conte in is the only way. I think ETH will just be a more skilled Nuno for them, and be yet another period of chaos and poor performances, with some moments of individual brilliance thrown into it (probably against Spurs)

Sounds like ETH has quite a few conditions he wants before joining them. I wouldn’t be surprised if one is getting rid of players like Ronaldo in the summer and bringing a few of the Ajax players with him who already know his methods and style of play.

 

[Flynn]

Sounds like ETH has quite a few conditions he wants before joining them. I wouldn’t be surprised if one is getting rid of players like Ronaldo in the summer and bringing a few of the Ajax players with him who already know his methods and style of play.

wanting rid of Ronaldo and getting rid of Ronaldo are two very different things. Not like they can send him to the US for a swan song.

 

[Timberwolf]

Given their imbalanced squad they will need to be patient. Klopp and Pep both had middling first seasons and I doubt ETH will be any different.

Problem is the circus surrounding the club. Former pros constantly mouthing off on every little thing on Sky, Twitter, the press, radio, etc. The bar was set so high by Fergie that anything less than challenging for the title is seen as failure and no-one's allowed to forget it.

Loathed as I am to say it, they should take a leaf out of Arsenal's book and just commit to giving ETH a good few years to try and build something. Throwing money at the problem and being short-termist clearly hasn't worked.

Wouldn't be remotely surprised if they sacked him after a season when they finish 6th, though.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

United are kind of a similar job to PSG these days.

They sign superstars and are obsessed with history and sentiment.

ETH may do a good job, but he has to have an incredibly strong personality to put up with the circus. They have too many divas, arguably their situation could be helped with Ronaldo, Pogba and cavani moving on.

Of course that will leave massive gaps in the squad. Do they even have a proper structure in place? Who will be signing the players? Will there be some kind of plan? Will the manager have control?

Too many uncertainties at the club atm. Going from Moyes to van gaal to José to ogs to rr. It's weird, they need to pick someone and a style/plan and stick to it. No real suprise that José is the most successful of these managers as well as he is the only one used to managing divas and big clubs.

This appointment could very easily be another misstep.

 

[aliyid]

Van de Beek must be jumping for joy at the thought of ETH going there.

Personally I'm just happy as long as they don't get Poch as that would be worst case for me. He would either lead them back into regular Champs Lge qualification again or he'd be a figure of ridicule and I'm not sure I could stand either.

 

[spursfan77]

Van de Beek must be jumping for joy at the thought of ETH going there.

Personally I'm just happy as long as they don't get Poch as that would be worst case for me. He would either lead them back into regular Champs Lge qualification again or he'd be a figure of ridicule and I'm not sure I could stand either.

He’d be a success there. It’s as mad as them not going for Conte, not going for Poch this summer. They don’t want to pay £12m to buy him out his contract but will happily piss that up the wall on agents fees signing the wrong players again this summer.

 

[Marty]

I don't really mind who goes there now really, I think most of all I'm just relieved they didn't go for Conte. Is strange seeing Neville saying he's not right for United, when I think he would be right for them for the same reasons I think he's so right for us.

The simple reason for Neville's take is that he refuses to acknowledge that United and Spurs are at the same level these days and, as you say, had many of the same problems that needed fixing.

United are special, don't forget.

 

[Tucker]

The simple reason for Neville's take is that he refuses to acknowledge that United and Spurs are at the same level these days and, as you say, had many of the same problems that needed fixing.

United are special, don't forget.

I think it’s fair to say that United have more pull than us when it comes to attracting personnel. They are still one of the biggest names in the sport. But from a competitive standpoint they are on the second step down from City and Liverpool along with us, Arsenal, Chelsea and possibly West Ham.

They are very poorly run, and when you look at them play they don’t seem in a much better spot than they were under Moyes, LVG, Jose, or OGS. There’s been no cohesive plan there since before Fergie even left, it was only his stature and nous that were dragging them over the line in his latter years there.

They constantly sign the wrong players on inflated fees and wages based on reputation or because their English. They need an experienced director of football who’s worked at a big club and they have to give him the time to implement his plan. Then they need to let him hire who he wants and let him get on with it.

Even then they’d still have to contend with the ex players demanding instant success and the “United way.”

 

[Pochemon94]

The only way Ten Hag works at Man U is if the board completely back him, if he says he doesn't want Ronaldo there, will the board be willing to sell him even though he brings in a bunch of commercial opportunity? Would they be willing to get rid of Sancho after 1 season? Not saying either will happen but if they don't back him and it gets public the players won't respect him and it's all over. The difference between city/united is that the players at City respect Pep and understand they can be dropped at any point for a player on the bench.

 

[$hoguN]

Going to be an interesting appointment. Give him time and back him when there are the inevitable personality clashes he could be successful.

Personally I just think Utd are too broken from top to bottom for anyone to be the success they are looking for. They basically want someone to win trebles in style using the players the board feel can do the job

 

[markt]

I genuinely think they would have done much better under Carrick until end of season.

For all the money, infrastructure, reputation behind them, it is crazy how bad they have been since Fergie. Their best season by far was under mourinho

 

[Pekoni]

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]