Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread
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montylynch
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With Ashley Cole too, imagine that dugout.....
mpickard2087
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Personally I think they should stick with Sarri. Chelsea have always largely been a more pragmatic, often counter attacking/more direct/high tempo team in the last 10-15 years and it inevitably takes time to change to a more heavy possession based approach.
I don't see why he should get stick about Kante. He likes a playmaker at the base of midfield, Kante is not that and he is freed up to go box to box and can press higher up the pitch - use his energy to full effect. I actually don't think that has been a big problem, in games I have seen them. It's a lazy stick for lazy 'we know best' media/pundits to beat him with.
The attack has largely been their problem, playing the way they do you are liable to concede goals but they aren't enough of a threat to compensate currently. It's disjointed and will take time to get them to a level of fluidity and understanding he achieved at Napoli. Individuals aren't really getting it - Kovacic as the attacking midfielder is doing very little, the central striker position we all know has been a problem, and as good as Hazard has apparently been and they seem to rely on him, he's very individual and doesn't fit well into a more collective approach.
The comparison to Poch's early days isn't a bad one actually. Will at some point the manager be backed to change a culture and not bow to over indulged players who only turn it on when they feel like it?
I don't see why he should get stick about Kante. He likes a playmaker at the base of midfield, Kante is not that and he is freed up to go box to box and can press higher up the pitch - use his energy to full effect. I actually don't think that has been a big problem, in games I have seen them. It's a lazy stick for lazy 'we know best' media/pundits to beat him with.
The attack has largely been their problem, playing the way they do you are liable to concede goals but they aren't enough of a threat to compensate currently. It's disjointed and will take time to get them to a level of fluidity and understanding he achieved at Napoli. Individuals aren't really getting it - Kovacic as the attacking midfielder is doing very little, the central striker position we all know has been a problem, and as good as Hazard has apparently been and they seem to rely on him, he's very individual and doesn't fit well into a more collective approach.
The comparison to Poch's early days isn't a bad one actually. Will at some point the manager be backed to change a culture and not bow to over indulged players who only turn it on when they feel like it?
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Just to piggy back on some of those asking if Sarri will get to change the culture there - not sure if anyone else was listening to 5 live last night, during the coverage of the latter stages of the transfer window they had Guieme Balague on. Now obviously it is up to the listener or reader of things to decide when people like Balague offer up information as to how true it is. He mentioned that Sarri earlier in the season when they were playing 'well' (unbeaten run - can't remember) he mentioned to another top coach at the time that one or two of the players, while fantastic footballers just weren't interested in listening to what he wanted from them out on the pitch. They went on to talk about how many of those players there are his players etc. How many were likely to buy into what he was trying to create.
As this seasons gone on, think you can see a whole heap of that. Wonder if the board will give him time or they change it again. On the same show they talked about how the board at Chelsea aren't afraid to make changes in the months of Feb/March and it would be interesting that if results were to continue like the Bournemouth one, if he'd even make it to the end of the season.
As this seasons gone on, think you can see a whole heap of that. Wonder if the board will give him time or they change it again. On the same show they talked about how the board at Chelsea aren't afraid to make changes in the months of Feb/March and it would be interesting that if results were to continue like the Bournemouth one, if he'd even make it to the end of the season.
Shadydan
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I said earlier in the season playing Kante as anything other than a DMF is counter productive and I stand by that. Football isn't science, you have arguably the best DMF in the world so why is he popping up in the opposition's box? When you're winning matches this isn't a problem because wins always mask the deficiencies but now that he's losing people will always point the finger as to what you're doing wrong. If I was a player on that Chelsea side especially a defender the first thing I'd be asking is why isn't Kante sitting and protecting the back four? World Cup and 2x PL winner famed for protecting the defence and winning the ball back and he's not in the position he's supposed to be - so now the doubt has crept in and as the season goes on and the games come thick and fast and losing matches they should be winning and playing dog shit as well I'm gonna be thinking that this guy really doesn't know what he's doing.
We see this time and time again with new managers coming into this league, they try to stamp their philosophy on the team too quickly rather than phasing it in, they rarely allow a team a year of transition for the players to trust them and get used to him and particularly since his tactics just seem quite complicated I just think he's tried to change things too quick. Granted that Conte changed his Chelsea team in the first season and won the PL but I don't think his 3-4-3 tactics were that difficult to master compared to 'Sarri' ball. Sarri just seems stubborn to me and we know what happens to stubborn coaches especially when Chelsea are involved.
mpickard2087
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Kante has only been the sitting midfielder for France. At Leicester and Chelsea he still had license to go and hunt the ball down and run all day for the team. Matic and Drinkwater were the more static holding players.
He's good at winning the ball back, why not deploy it higher up if you want to press higher?
Playing a system like that you will still have games where defensively you get exposed, especially in the early days under a manager. It's a trade off and part of the risk. We've seen it with Poch, we saw it with Guardiola. This would happen if Kante played there or not, it's a lazy stick to beat a manager with in my opinion. I don't know how a manager is meant to phase in his ideas. You either do it, or you don't. Find out who can and will listen and adapt, and get rid if they don't.
worcestersauce
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Finally a use for my dad's old WW2 Mortar I've got in the loft.
The guy parking next to my spot in my condo is a diehard Chelscum fan. I met him this morning and stuck up 4 fingers with my left hand and made a zero with my right. He didn't know how to react. Unfortunately his wife is a bindipper and I can't do much to her.
Col_M
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His trophy cabinet says otherwise.
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Full of fools gold welcomed by plastic fans
Hakkz
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I do not understand players like Tomas Kalas, Lucas Piazon and Mario Pasalic. Amazingly unambitious wasting their careers on loans from a club that will never want them.
BehindEnemyLines
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Perhaps he thought you were indicating what you had done to her? 4 fingers and a hole - ooer!
Amazingly rich however their careers turn out. That’s the motivating factor for most.
Players probably think should I go somewhere like Spurs and possibly turn out like GKN or Janssen , or get paid double and go on loan around Europe like Batshuayi etc.
Just quickly adding up the values of players on loan at the moment, it’s over £300m. It’s obscene amounts of players and money involved.
Hakkz
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Still it's pathetic. When you're a talent (which they obviously are compared to us peasants) you should do your best to take it as far as possible. Settling for a fat paycheck is tragic.
You’d like to think that was the case
The fact that Chelsea are stocked with highly paid youngsters and a number of players we were linked to but couldn’t get near wages wise (Barkley, Willian) would suggest otherwise.
worcestersauce
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Your first sentence is very important I think. If you are a kid with so much talent that you are bound to become a top player and confident to boot then you might decide to stay at your existing club and develop but if you are just a good young player in a less wealthy league and have, like most young footballers, come from a poor or even ordinary working family then a Chelsea contract sets you and your family up for the rest of your life.
At eighteen a four year contract on 10k a week earns you £2 million by the time you are twenty two or £52,000 for forty years, it has to have a bearing on a kids decision, it would mine in their shoes.
I reckon your valuation is a pretty conservative one actually, 42 players on loan with an average of £10mil is over four million and £10 mil is a pretty reasonable price in this day and age. I wonder if anyone has realised the significance of that by the way? Chelsea have been using it as a meat market sideline for years now but the other side of the coin is that if Abramovitch does decide to get out selling those players is a pretty simple way of turning your assets into money with which to repay some of his loan to the club
