Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

[Aphex]

And IF that's true it tells you all you need to know about what is going wrong at Chelsea

Yeah. I think the fact that he was sacked just days after the window closed suggests there was significant differences in opinion about which players to bring in.

If Boehly wanted Ronaldo that really is hilarious.

I also wonder if a part of the appeal of Potter is because Boehly wants a lesser name coach who he can boss around rather than an elite coach who will tell him where to go.

 

[C0YS]

Maybe just coincident but poch just landed in UK ?

I wouldn't be surprised if he went for Poch. And I wouldn't be surprised if Poch takes it. But we will see, it probably is a coincidence don't think any of his children are still working in the UK mind.

 

[Shanks]

I wouldn't be surprised if he went for Poch. And I wouldn't be surprised if Poch takes it. But we will see, it probably is a coincidence don't think any of his children are still working in the UK mind.

Just landed in the airport that the Chelsea team fly out of ??‍

 

[Hotspur33]

I think it's a tough gig for Poch if he were to be offered the job. I think most Chelsea fans would be willing him to fail. I can't see it being a popular appointment.
Potter makes sense as he has been getting a lot of plaudits in the last few weeks. How that works out though is anyone's guess.

 

[Misfit]

Oh yeah, this Boehly guy is a genius.

 

[GutBucket]

Ronaldo and German pressing tactics, to be fair even I would pay to watch that.

 

[KirstyG]

I mean the thing is though. For whatever decisions may appear weird or things not really working out in some elements (that's football for you) his results were very good.

In January, he takes an imbalanced struggling team in a period of rebuilding from 9th to 4th. He wins the champions League. He wins the champions League all while being able to instil a clear style of play and identity onto the club.

Next season the team reach two cup finals and finish 3rd. They ended in pretty poor form, partly driven by instability at the club at boardroom level but for a lot of the season they are keeping pace with the top 2. In fact they were second as late as january. Finishing 3rd is about as much as they could have hoped for.

This season, okay, they are starting a little shaky, but nothing out of the ordinary and nothing that doesnt happen to any team at some points over the course of the season. They are 6th with 4th 3 points away and 5 points from top. They are only slightly underperforming.

If things weren't looking better at January I could understand. But right now it is frankly outrageous that he's been sacked and if you go to the chelsea forums you would see the majority feel the same way. The guy has been an unqualified success and has undeniably been their most successful manager since Conte and arguably since Mourinho/Ancelloti considering the circumstances.

Can see that in the cold light of stats etc but if behind the scenes he was causing a fuss plus the fact that much of the money that has been sent has been a bit wasted - partly through not using that talent effectively - then owners going to get a bit itchy.

tbf we Would be doing cartwheels if we were as successful but they are comparing themselves to City and that is problem because right now they are off the pace. With the improvements of others, Chelsea owners are getting concerned they will miss out on top cups and placings which given their recent investments they are probably nervous about. It’s more of an owner thing rather than a fan thing - but it could also be a player thing as we know they love throwing a manger under the bus when they aren’t performing themselves.

 

[thecook]

Maybe just coincident but poch just landed in UK ?

Next stop Brighton?

 

[Shanks]

Next stop Brighton?

?

 

[C0YS]

I think it's a tough gig for Poch if he were to be offered the job. I think most Chelsea fans would be willing him to fail. I can't see it being a popular appointment.
Potter makes sense as he has been getting a lot of plaudits in the last few weeks. How that works out though is anyone's guess.

I mean he won't be an overwhelmingly popular appointment no, but fans are quick to forgive, a few good results and all will be forgotten. I would have no ill feeling towards poch taking the Chelsea job personally.

I think Poch and Potter will struggle at Chelsea on the basis that they have in recent history been a club that demands instant success. While new ownership may change that notion it'll be hard. Poch was a terrible fit for PSG too and I imagine similar problems at Chelsea. But Potter is also not a natural fit. Depends.

A lack of preseason really hurts most managers, it's a bizarre time to change managers in the middle of the season unless there is an urgent need for a change. That clearly isn't the case here, and if it was pragmatism and a man manager like Zidane is probably a better fit.

 

[Shanks]

I think it's a tough gig for Poch if he were to be offered the job. I think most Chelsea fans would be willing him to fail. I can't see it being a popular appointment.
Potter makes sense as he has been getting a lot of plaudits in the last few weeks. How that works out though is anyone's guess.

The few on my football team all prefer the Poch link over potter this side

 

[Deleted member 27855]

You can't run a football club the same way you can an American franchise. Relegation and European CL qualification mean good and poor seasons are punished in a completely different way. You can't just write seasons off and build for the following season like you can in US sports. Players contracts and transfers are also completely different. His first job should have been to appoint a DOF or competent chief exec who knew his way around the transfer market.

You say he's no fool, but up until now he doesn't look as though he knows what he is doing. They've flitted from one player to another this Summer and always seemed to be targeting the players the other big teams were already talking to, and from the outside looking in there looked to be little to no plan whatsoever.

If you think American fan bases are apathetic and don't punish "poor seasons" you couldn't be more wrong. Go have a poor season in New York or LA and watch what happens.

Chelsea has massive revenue streams to the point that CL qualification doesn't matter in the same way to them that it does to us. Does it hurt them if they don't qualify for the CL? Of course. But it's definitely not the same if we don't.

American sports aren't all the same and they all run differently. Baseball is by far the most similar in the way it works to the way football works in Europe. The Dodgers who are a giant "franchise" were an absolute mess when Boehly took them over in 2012ish with massive revenue streams but no success.

They hadn't won a championship in decades before his ownership group took over. Fast forward a decade later and the Dodgers are one of the best run teams in baseball who won a championship in 2020 for the first time in 30 years and now financially terrorize the sport. Sound familiar?

Or I could point you to FSG and Liverpool. They hadn't won a league title in decades before they took over. What happened? They also turned around the Red Sox who hadn't won a championship in almost a hundred years before they turned them around too.

There are good American owners and bad American owners. Just like there are good and bad owners in every sport of every nationality in every league everywhere on the face of the earth. Saying the owner is immediately bad because he's American and doesn't understand the way the Premier League works is absolutely ridiculous.

Boehly is most definitely a bright guy and a good owner. I really wish he wasn't but those are the facts. The next thing he'll do after he hires Potter is find a really good director of football to run Chelsea just like he did with the Dodgers when he paid a metric shit ton of money to pry Andrew Friedman from the Rays. Then he'll keep the money flowing as the new DOF and Potter reshape the club.

It's all disgusting. I can't stand them. I wish Roman sold them to the Ricketts who are the prototypical bad owners that you seem to think Boehly is.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Imagine having players signing for Tuchel because of his track record, only to be playing for Potter.

Potter is going to have a task on his hands to win over the team, especially mid-season.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Maybe just coincident but poch just landed in UK ?

If Chelsea act like a normal club, they will surely talk to a couple of managers before appointing one ? ... pretty important decision for Boehly.

 

[Hotspur33]

The few on my football team all prefer the Poch link over potter this side

Really, that does surprise me. Maybe Potter is not elite enough for them?

 

[Cornpattbuck]

It's become very obvious Boehly spends almost as much money on spin doctors as he does players. The amount of utter guff they've generated since he joined...

 

[spursfan77]

And IF that's true it tells you all you need to know about what is going wrong at Chelsea

If true then it’s fucking delightful!

???

 

[Hotspur33]

If you think American fan bases are apathetic and don't punish "poor seasons" you couldn't be more wrong. Go have a poor season in New York or LA and watch what happens.

Chelsea has massive revenue streams to the point that CL qualification doesn't matter in the same way to them that it does to us. Does it hurt them if they don't qualify for the CL? Of course. But it's definitely not the same if we don't.

American sports aren't all the same and they all run differently. Baseball is by far the most similar in the way it works to the way football works in Europe. The Dodgers who are a giant "franchise" were an absolute mess when Boehly took them over in 2012ish with massive revenue streams but no success.

They hadn't won a championship in decades before his ownership group took over. Fast forward a decade later and the Dodgers are one of the best run teams in baseball who won a championship in 2020 for the first time in 30 years and now financially terrorize the sport. Sound familiar?

Or I could point you to FSG and Liverpool. They hadn't won a league title in decades before they took over. What happened? They also turned around the Red Sox who hadn't won a championship in almost a hundred years before they turned them around too.

There are good American owners and bad American owners. Just like there are good and bad owners in every sport of every nationality in every league everywhere on the face of the earth. Saying the owner is immediately bad because he's American and doesn't understand the way the Premier League works is absolutely ridiculous.

Boehly is most definitely a bright guy and a good owner. I really wish he wasn't but those are the facts. The next thing he'll do after he hires Potter is find a really good director of football to run Chelsea just like he did with the Dodgers when he paid a metric shit ton of money to pry Andrew Friedman from the Rays. Then he'll keep the money flowing as the new DOF and Potter reshape the club.

It's all disgusting. I can't stand them. I wish Roman sold them to the Ricketts who are the prototypical bad owners that you seem to think Boehly is.

Well that sounds ominous. Thanks for the info.

P. S I hope Lemar Jackson is back to his best this season, he's my favourite player to watch.

 

[Harrier]

Matt Law indicating that the decision has been in the offing for some time and it’s not knee jerk.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Matt Law indicating that the decision has been in the offing for some time and it’s not knee jerk.

That makes the timing even more weird...