Lamela

[ostrov]

Lamela needs time to adapt and settle. He doesn't not speak a word of English, we saw it in Moscow at team hotel, he's a bit lonely, team mates mock him a bit for that but he can't share a joke. Give him time before you all internet warriors promote him or put him down.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Are you able to read? The sentence was about ALL of the players costing £30 million COMBINED! Or do you disagree that buying prem proven equivalents to Dawson, Defoe and Lennon to sit on our bench would cost £30 million at the very least?

Good god, some bloody people!

And yes, having scoring 200 odd goals for a club, being an England international, and being good form currently does count for something!

in that case, why would it matter? I'm not one of those that thinks we should let them all go, but if we did we'd probably get in the region of £30m, so if it cost that much to replace and upgrade them, I don't see the problem.

200-odd? try 140. decent, but by no means exceptional for a striker that's played as many games as he has. I have to laugh my head off when I see him being described as a club legend. he's nothing of the sort.

 

[sloth]

293 minutes is obviously enough time to prove yourself, even if you are 21, getting use to the pace of the prem, not fluent in the language and getting used to a new country.

He's fooking shite, sell and replace with Tom Ince, this will solve everything. Go on Baldini, you know it makes sense

Who has said this about Lamela?

 

[Damian99]

Lamela needs time to adapt and settle. He doesn't not speak a word of English, we saw it in Moscow at team hotel, he's a bit lonely, team mates mock him a bit for that but he can't share a joke. Give him time before you all internet warriors promote him or put him down.

Could possibly even a need a full season, a lot of people will be throwing themselves in front of on cumin trains if that is the case.

 

[sloth]

There is no evidence at all that Dawson has gone from first choice to squad player, even when Kaboul has been fit Dawson has played! Do I personally think Kaboul is a better player, yes I do, however there is zero evidence to suggest AVB does since he brought Dawson back into the fold.

There is also zero evidence in what you say about Defoe, the club gave him a new contract only last summer and when given opportunities he's still proving his worth? AVB seems more willing to let Ade move on than Defoe.

There is also zero evidence to say Lennon won't be a first choice for AVB, he's only been fit for 1 game this season and played.

I think some people may be getting ahead of themselves in the evolution of a new team and dismissing some of the old guard!

The evidence on Daws is that he was deemed surplus to requirements at the start of last season, and that Kaboul has not been fit enough to challenge him for a first team berth, and that for all his qualities, in terms of a top team, he also possesses glaring weaknesses as a CB. Against that there's all the evidence you suggest that he is first choice.

The evidence for Defoe is that the club doesn't like the value of their assets running down and will often try to sell a player of Defoe's age and demand, Defoe is also one dimensional in what he offers the team and there is surely better players available, affordable, and willing to come. The evidence of a new contract may show that he's in demand, or it may be just the club protecting the value of its asset. In terms of Ade or Defoe, it's a false dichotomy, because there is the third option of neither Ade or Defoe, and a fourth option of either Ade or Defoe depending on the quality of the offer made.

For Lennon there is as little evidence that he will be first choice as there is that he won't be.

 

[hugrr]

Could possibly even a need a full season, a lot of people will be throwing themselves in front of on cumin trains if that is the case.

I take it there's a big fanbase on the Indian spice trade route?

 

[Mullers]

Who has said this about Lamela?

I'd have a guess that it was the poster you just quoted.

 

[sloth]

I'd have a guess that it was the poster you just quoted.

You know what I meant!!!

Who is saying he's shite etc etc or are you just kicking straw-man butt again Mullers?

 

[Legend10]

The evidence on Daws is that he was deemed surplus to requirements at the start of last season, and that Kaboul has not been fit enough to challenge him for a first team berth, and that for all his qualities, in terms of a top team, he also possesses glaring weaknesses as a CB. Against that there's all the evidence you suggest that he is first choice.

The evidence for Defoe is that the club doesn't like the value of their assets running down and will often try to sell a player of Defoe's age and demand, Defoe is also one dimensional in what he offers the team and there is surely better players available, affordable, and willing to come. The evidence of a new contract may show that he's in demand, or it may be just the club protecting the value of its asset. In terms of Ade or Defoe, it's a false dichotomy, because there is the third option of neither Ade or Defoe, and a fourth option of either Ade or Defoe depending on the quality of the offer made.

For Lennon there is as little evidence that he will be first choice as there is that he won't be.

Regarding Lennon this is basically what I said in response to people saying he is no longer first choice, there is no evidence either way as he's only been fit for one game and played, however since then competition has been signed and Townsend has emerged as a realistic alternative.

Regarding Dawson I said there is no evidence to suggest he's no longer first choice since he has fought his way back, he may or may not be I don't know, but I was responding to people saying he was now 4th choice, which there is simply no evidence of.

Regarding Defoe the same as above, people stating he's no longer a valuable member when their is no evidence other than personal opinion to support that.

 

[Mullers]

You know what I meant!!!

Who is saying he's shite etc etc or are you just kicking straw-man butt again Mullers?

Hells bells you just quoted me saying he is shite, quit asking.

 

[sloth]

Regarding Lennon this is basically what I said in response to people saying he is no longer first choice, there is no evidence either way as he's only been fit for one game and played, however since then competition has been signed and Townsend has emerged as a realistic alternative.

Regarding Dawson I said there is no evidence to suggest he's no longer first choice since he has fought his way back, he may or may not be I don't know, but I was responding to people saying he was now 4th choice, which there is simply no evidence of.

Regarding Defoe the same as above, people stating he's no longer a valuable member when their is no evidence other than personal opinion to support that.

Yeah sorry, just me being pedantic!

 

[sloth]

Hells bells you just quoted me saying he is shite, quit asking.

So you think he's shite then?

 

[Mullers]

So you think he's shite then?

What is your gut feeling?

 

[faymantaray]

Lamela needs time to adapt and settle. He doesn't not speak a word of English, we saw it in Moscow at team hotel, he's a bit lonely, team mates mock him a bit for that but he can't share a joke. Give him time before you all internet warriors promote him or put him down.

What was the Moskow team hotel thing? Could you send me a link?

 

[TickleSh1ts]

Lamela + 1 season = Judge him then.

 

[walworthyid]

in that case, why would it matter? I'm not one of those that thinks we should let them all go, but if we did we'd probably get in the region of £30m, so if it cost that much to replace and upgrade them, I don't see the problem.

200-odd? try 140. decent, but by no means exceptional for a striker that's played as many games as he has. I have to laugh my head off when I see him being described as a club legend. he's nothing of the sort.

I only responded to you because you failed to read my initial post properly. Also, even if we did get £30 million for those 3 players it would certainly cost more to get upgrades on them if of course those upgrades were prepared to come and potentially sit on the bench of a club that they have no real affinity to, unlike Defoe, Dawson and Lennon who have all shown some degree of loyalty and commitment to spurs.

Lastly, if Defoe is not a club legend, who is? Legends are not just based on how good they were, it is based on loyalty, success and longevity I would imagine!

 

[luptic]

I think we have seen this before with players from other clubs at a very young age coming to England and expecting to shine straight away and not. Tevez when he joined the spammers he had to adapt to the culture and language. Playing in Italy when a young argentine is completely different to that when you’re playing in England. You have more time to express yourself, more freedom, and the language is probably easier to learn coming for Argentina. He excelled in Italy last year, but he'll probably take time to settle in, look at Holtby looked useless when he signed in Jan, and now looks like a player.

 

[ostrov]

What was the Moskow team hotel thing? Could you send me a link?

No, I can't send myself to you

 

[faymantaray]

No, I can't send myself to you

Ah right didn't realise you were there.

 

[ostrov]

When Ossie Ardiles says Lamela is a special talent, you have to listen.
Contemporary internet culture is ridiculously quick to judge everyone after a week or two.