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Spursidol

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Dovahkiin has done some whoring, apparently he's still having trouble learning English. How difficult is it to learn English if you grow up speaking Spanish and know (I assume) your was round Italian as well? There's a lot of similarities.

I used to speak Spanish (badly) but found I could read Italian (badly) without too much difficulty - the languages are very similar being based on Latin, much closer than French or Portugese.

English on the other hand is a very different language to learn - not a lot of similarity with Spanish.

I'm told its (relatively) easy to speak English badly, but a lot more difficult than many other languages to speak well as we have more irregular verbs and several words meaning similar things (often a result of having the vikings ruling half England a thousand years ago) meaning we have many more words in common use than many other languages.

So I could sympathise with Lamela - but either he learns some English or will need to move on unfortunately - if AVB as a Spanish speaker found he couldn't make it work...its a problem
 

raf18

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Forget last year, it's a different league he isn't playing there now. Lamela can't even get a game let alone recommend where he should play.

Seriously, when he starts playing and performing then we can see how good he is, up to now he is just a youtube legend, who has played in an inferior league.

AVB failed using the tactics you are recommending, we are playing infinitely better using the tactics I suggest. Do you really want to repeat the experiment again? I bloody don't, because it doesn't work.

AVB had the right system but the wrong players. Lamela hasn't even had a decent chance there so how can you dismiss him? He got an assist at Cardiff from a cross on the right wing which shows he can cut in as well as cross from the touchline. You seem to be suggesting that every theory should be dismissed until it works, without giving it a chance to work.
 

Coyboy

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Lennon has 1 goal and 1 assist in 12 games. That gives him an 84% ineffectiveness rating.

And I'm guessing the assist was the one against Palace where Defoe still had to plough through two tackles to score.

What about United?

Now you're criticising him for actually setting up a goal. Unbelievable.
 

TheGreenLily

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What about United?

Now you're criticising him for actually setting up a goal. Unbelievable.
Ummm... He didn't set up the goal as such, it was deflected by the ManU defender which 1) slowed the ball down and 2) change the direction of the ball. Even then Eriksen just about about got to it...

If the defender hadn't blocked the cross the chances are that the ball was hit far to hard and would have ended up in no mans land, but we don't know that for sure. Although looking at it, I still think Lennon hit that cross way to hard and the only reason why Eriksen got to it, was because of that deflection and not because Lennon actually intended it, that ball could have deflected anywhere. So IMO, I don't think he should have a lot of reward for that goal, considering more than likely he had completely fucked the pass anyway.

Oh, and the goal against Palace was offside, so by all rights... If we want to be pedantic and honest, he doesn't have an assist. It wasn't ruled off side and the goal stands.

Still 1 assist for how many games for an attacking winger is just dire.

Lamela deserves at least 2-3 years to see whether he can produce real end product to his game.
 
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Coyboy

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Pick holes all you want, you and others wouldn't do that when comparing him with other players from other clubs.

And if he did get lucky with both assists, he deserved it because he put at least two sitters on a plate for Soldado which weren't put away.
 

SugarRay

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Going to be some serious egg on people faces when it comes to Lamela.

Everyone pretends they 'always knew Bale would come good' but that's bullshit. Plenty were criticising him many moons ago and he shoved it down their throats. Lamela has the talent.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Pick holes all you want, you and others wouldn't do that when comparing him with other players from other clubs.


It depends on the players, surely ?

Players who play in very similar positions for teams we are trying to outperform:

Lennon 2 goal/assist combo

Walcott 9


Navas 10


Sterling 5

Mirallas 8

Sissoko 6


Impossible to evaluate Chelsea AMR postion as they have used 3 or 4 players there, but Hazard on the other side has 14.

Doesn't really come close, and is one of the reasons we are behind those teams.
 

Coyboy

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It depends on the players, surely ?

Players who play in very similar positions for teams we are trying to outperform:

Lennon 2 goal/assist combo

Walcott 9


Navas 10


Sterling 5

Mirallas 8

Sissoko 6


Impossible to evaluate Chelsea AMR postion as they have used 3 or 4 players there, but Hazard on the other side has 14.

Doesn't really come close, and is one of the reasons we are behind those teams.

Has he played as many games as all them?

In any case, my point is you don't scrutinise each of the above's assists in the same way. Walcott might have had a deflected assist; Navas an assist to someone who was offside.

In any case Lennon deserved his 'luck' as many of his crosses don't get put away when they should do.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Has he played as many games as all them?

In any case, my point is you don't scrutinise each of the above's assists in the same way. Walcott might have had a deflected assist; Navas an assist to someone who was offside.

In any case Lennon deserved his 'luck' as many of his crosses don't get put away when they should do.


Does he deserve it because he shaves a little bad boy line in his eyebrow ? Or because sometimes when he makes a stupid decision and gives the ball away he does that little skip and then puffs out his little chest gangsta style ?
 
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Coyboy

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Does he deserve because he shaves a little bad boy line in his eyebrow ? Or because sometimes when he makes a stupid decision and gives the ball away he does that little skip and then puffs out his little chest gangsta style ?

Grow up.

No for the reason stated above.
 

hodsgod

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It depends on the players, surely ?

Players who play in very similar positions for teams we are trying to outperform:

Lennon 2 goal/assist combo

Walcott 9


Navas 10


Sterling 5

Mirallas 8

Sissoko 6


Impossible to evaluate Chelsea AMR postion as they have used 3 or 4 players there, but Hazard on the other side has 14.

Doesn't really come close, and is one of the reasons we are behind those teams.

It doesn't make sense, when a Lennon wasn't playing in the first half of the season, we had poor performances and very few goals. Since Lennon came back as a regular and settled we have played well in the league.

Now I am not saying it's because of Lennon, it's because we have improved as a team. Yet you are saying it's because of Lennon we aren't higher in the league. He has only played in twelve games I believe, with eight wins two draws and two defeats. 2.16 points per game with him with 1.95 points per game for the season so far in total.

I could have miscounted somewhere of course. However statistically playing Lennon doesn't appear to be holding us back.
 

beats1

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I used to speak Spanish (badly) but found I could read Italian (badly) without too much difficulty - the languages are very similar being based on Latin, much closer than French or Portugese.

English on the other hand is a very different language to learn - not a lot of similarity with Spanish.

I'm told its (relatively) easy to speak English badly, but a lot more difficult than many other languages to speak well as we have more irregular verbs and several words meaning similar things (often a result of having the vikings ruling half England a thousand years ago) meaning we have many more words in common use than many other languages.

So I could sympathise with Lamela - but either he learns some English or will need to move on unfortunately - if AVB as a Spanish speaker found he couldn't make it work...its a problem
I found its easier to speak translate/go from english to spanish but from spanish to english is really hard
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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It doesn't make sense, when a Lennon wasn't playing in the first half of the season, we had poor performances and very few goals. Since Lennon came back as a regular and settled we have played well in the league.

Now I am not saying it's because of Lennon, it's because we have improved as a team. Yet you are saying it's because of Lennon we aren't higher in the league. He has only played in twelve games I believe, with eight wins two draws and two defeats. 2.16 points per game with him with 1.95 points per game for the season so far in total.

I could have miscounted somewhere of course. However statistically playing Lennon doesn't appear to be holding us back.

I think he's reliable in terms of workrate even if not offering a great deal going forward. He also appears to give Walker a bit more of a platform to attack. Compare that to a player who isn't doing much going forward and isn't doing the leg work either and I can see why he gets picked even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
 

beats1

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I found it difficult translating both ways !
I found it hard as well but english is very hard to learn as its evolved alot over the last 300 years. However my cousins from Seattle seem to think Spanish is easy to learn:rolleyes:
 
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