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for all those who felt like & did give dogs abuse & generally slaughtering j.d earlier in the season
class is permanent.
class is permanent.
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$hoguN
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Bit of silly post tbh mate. We all want Defoe to do well, all of us. However scoring goals does not absolve him of making bad decisions and does not stop him meaning we completely lack an out ball. I hope he keeps scoring like he is at the moment as it is good for us, but I would still pick Ade over him even when he is scoring hat-tricks as Ade's skill set makes us a better side than Defoe's do.
Harry_Snatch
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I think thats a bit silly as well mate. Last season it made sense to pick Ade first but this season JD is scoring hat-tricks and he has massively improved his link up play a perfect example being the West Ham goal. Leaving Defoe out right now would be silly. His goals are the main reason we are in 4th atm.
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I love Defoe. He's scoring goals that are winning us games. The rest of the team can work a bit smarter.
When he's not scoring we can worry about it.
When he's not scoring we can worry about it.
TheGreenLily
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He has a great shot on him, but...
I have seen more goal scoring opportunities lost than I have fingers and toes this season from his poor decision making. Scoring goals is not just the be all and end all, I would also like a striker with a lot of assists too and allowing others to score. I just can't see Defoe passing like Sig did yesterday when in that position and yes he is still improving his link up play, but it is still not of the quality we need up front.
Until we get some new younger, intelligent strikers up front, Defoe will have a job to do, but in no way would I use his current form not address the situation and bring in 3 new hungry strikers over the next few windows.
$hoguN
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Great, you pick West Ham out as a game where he showed he can hold the ball up and ignore the next game against Liverpool where he left us short of an out ball and left us under a lot of pressure.
lilywhitecurtis
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If class is permanent, where the hell was it in the 2010/11 season when he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo?
He's playing brilliantly at the moment, having one of his real hot spots of form like he did the 09/10 season when he bagged us 18 league goals. But if recall correctly he fizzled out at the end of that season, and returning 18 in the league is his best ever tally. Ade got 17 last year and brought home 11 assists as well, in his first season at a new club not to mention I think we played better football with him up top and would probably suit our system more.
Don't get me wrong, I've always felt people are too harsh on him, but I can see why. Ironically, I think this could just be a case of form being temporary.
He's playing brilliantly at the moment, having one of his real hot spots of form like he did the 09/10 season when he bagged us 18 league goals. But if recall correctly he fizzled out at the end of that season, and returning 18 in the league is his best ever tally. Ade got 17 last year and brought home 11 assists as well, in his first season at a new club not to mention I think we played better football with him up top and would probably suit our system more.
Don't get me wrong, I've always felt people are too harsh on him, but I can see why. Ironically, I think this could just be a case of form being temporary.
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I left the Liverpooh game out because I didn't see all of it but it sounds like some classic Spurs scapegoatry to say that it was Defoe's fault for not providing an out ball that we got penned in by them. We didn't struggle to get the ball out first half.
Harry_Snatch
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If you look at the last 4-5 transfer windows, we need a new chairman before that happens. I'd be happy if we kept Ade and Defoe and Levy for that matter but added 1 new hungry striker. JD being in the form he is in doesn't hid the lack of options at forward.
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I actually think his finishing has become a little more cultured. His second yesterday is a good example, he would normally smash that shot right there, but he rolls it and the placement beats the keeper. It was refreshing to see and I think AVB has told him to become a more complete finisher - just speculating like.
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The second finish was very composed like you have said
$hoguN
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I'm not making him a scape goat. I am not saying it was all his fault however a lack of an out ball did negatively effect us.
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Just shows what confidence can do, I think it sends a great message to the squad that if you do the business you will get a run in the team
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I always hoped he'd finish like yesterday earlier in his career and during 09/10 there were quite a few goals that made me think he had developed his repertoire of shots e.g the goal from Crouch's knockdown when we beat City 3-0. What I've really missed seeing is goals like his first yesterday and first against Reading where he's made space in the box. His long range goals are great and all and I hope he continues scoring quality goals from outside the box but the greater the variety of goals he scores the better.
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I have said before I'd rather he got a goal per game eg West Ham, Liverpool, Fulham than 2 v West Ham nil Liverpool and 2 v Fulham.
And end of season record of say 25 which includes doubles whereupon the second is not necessary to win games distorts the true value of "25" or more.
Personally IMO Ade not only scores goals but provides opportunities for various other forward and get forward players.
If you look at the two goals JD scored vs Fulham I'm quite sure Ade would have finished those as well plus done more to set up Dempsey, Bale, Lennon, Gilfy.
JD is not playing brillliantly. He is finishing as he should.
JD is an impact player off the bench for me when Ade is available.
Note, nowhere have I said JD is not a good player.
I just believe Ade offers more when available. The latter's sending off was totally out of character too. Unfortunate.
We've done very well to win 3 games without him but we are better with him IMO.
And end of season record of say 25 which includes doubles whereupon the second is not necessary to win games distorts the true value of "25" or more.
Personally IMO Ade not only scores goals but provides opportunities for various other forward and get forward players.
If you look at the two goals JD scored vs Fulham I'm quite sure Ade would have finished those as well plus done more to set up Dempsey, Bale, Lennon, Gilfy.
JD is not playing brillliantly. He is finishing as he should.
JD is an impact player off the bench for me when Ade is available.
Note, nowhere have I said JD is not a good player.
I just believe Ade offers more when available. The latter's sending off was totally out of character too. Unfortunate.
We've done very well to win 3 games without him but we are better with him IMO.
You win the thread with those two lines.
playboypaul
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I think it depends on the way the team are set up to play as to the best striker to go with out of Ade and Defoe.
For ade, we all know that he brings in those around him and what he can do and that is the style of play that everyone wants to see at the moment. The more complete team game.
With Defoe, I can see why AVB has a man crush on him, because of the way things where at Porto. In that side the 4-3-3 where set up and asked to play in such a way as to make the CF the man to get the goals. The other nine outfield players worked as a unit to give their CF, Radamel Falcao, the opportunity to score. It is his one and only job in this system. It doesn't matter that he can't/wont bring in those around him as he is not meant to. IIRC Falcao set some goal-scoring record the year AVB won with Porto in Europe, more than a goal a game I think. I cant remember the exact details. Would he have set that record if the team where not set up to give him opportunites? I doubt it.
In this type of system Defoe is the perfect player to have. Would Ade be as prolific playng this role? Who knows, maybe, maybe not.
Its all a matter of perspective.
For ade, we all know that he brings in those around him and what he can do and that is the style of play that everyone wants to see at the moment. The more complete team game.
With Defoe, I can see why AVB has a man crush on him, because of the way things where at Porto. In that side the 4-3-3 where set up and asked to play in such a way as to make the CF the man to get the goals. The other nine outfield players worked as a unit to give their CF, Radamel Falcao, the opportunity to score. It is his one and only job in this system. It doesn't matter that he can't/wont bring in those around him as he is not meant to. IIRC Falcao set some goal-scoring record the year AVB won with Porto in Europe, more than a goal a game I think. I cant remember the exact details. Would he have set that record if the team where not set up to give him opportunites? I doubt it.
In this type of system Defoe is the perfect player to have. Would Ade be as prolific playng this role? Who knows, maybe, maybe not.
Its all a matter of perspective.
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