Judas at it again

[TheVoiceofReason]

I find it strange that people feel like the sol Campbell fiasco is still relevant. The amount of genuine hatred a mention of his name brings out in people is crazy. Maybe I'm sounding condescending, but for me I just see sol Campbell as misguided fool/idiot, he bears no significance to the future or the real history of spurs.

 

[StartingPrice]

I find it strange that people feel like the sol Campbell fiasco is still relevant. The amount of genuine hatred a mention of his name brings out in people is crazy. Maybe I'm sounding condescending, but for me I just see sol Campbell as misguided fool/idiot, he bears no significance to the future or the real history of spurs.

As said, I am more concerned about the way it is still willfully misrepresented as just moving from one club to another than I am about the fact that it happened, now.

I can only speak for myself, but I would imagine that I speak for quite a few Spurs fans who would express an opinion similar to mine if questioned on the subject: I am not exactly consumed by constant burning hatred of the man, that I should be wandering around incoherently chanting his name and planning the most exquisite of revenges against him, and nor am I spitting at the PC monitor as I type, now. But, whenever I see him being paraded around with the legend that he just moved from one club to another, I will state exactly what it is I find objectionable about the claim. And whenever I see a post asking why we don't just move along when I object in this manner, I think we should switch shoes, and ask you, do you think his sympathisers in the media should be allowed to misrepresent his sneaky, conniving and deceitful behaviour as just moving from one club to another, and if yes why?

 

[KitKat]

Sol campbell is scum i'll never forget how he betrayed us, the club i love.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think the main problem in this thread is that sol campbell said it. If the statement had come from les ferdinand the tone would be different.

Tbh i think that black people in general have more pressure on them to succede. Yes we have the old fashioned racism, but now we have a new form.

Look at obama. The western world (liberals) thought that he was some sort of messiah. Leading us into a new era of equality. But he is only a man.

I think that there are far more people in britain that would like a black manager do well, than there are who would like them to fail.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

I have no doubts that a lower league club would take on any high profile former footballer if they got their badges. After that point its a results based game - do well and your opportunity will come!

I can't believe Sol is playing the race card just because he hasn't strolled into a high profile job. He thinks Neville only got it because he's white? You only have to look at the change of opinion about Neville on here after the sky sports gig to know he is probably a good coach.

 

[dontcallme]

I think the main problem in this thread is that sol campbell said it. If the statement had come from les ferdinand the tone would be different.

Tbh i think that black people in general have more pressure on them to succede. Yes we have the old fashioned racism, but now we have a new form.

Look at obama. The western world (liberals) thought that he was some sort of messiah. Leading us into a new era of equality. But he is only a man.

I think that there are far more people in britain that would like a black manager do well, than there are who would like them to fail.

Campbell saying it isn't going to create a great debate on a Spurs forum.

His character and attitude are never going to get him any sympathy. He doesn't come across as an intelligent man.

From what I understand Neville got his chance after showing excellent analytical skills as a pundit. When Campbell was a pundit he showed nothing. No intelligence, character and barely the ability to speak English.

I think you're right about people wanting black managers to succeed. Many were urging Ince to make a success of it at Blackburn as it could be seen as opening the gate.

I don't buy that black managers have to go abroad to find a job. Barnes, Kamara, Ince, Kiwomya, Hughton and Tigana all found jobs as managers. They all have the kind of character that you can see being a manager even if some weren't successful.

I can't say the same about Campbell, Ian Wright and a couple of others who have played the race card before getting the necessary experience to become a manager.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

And whenever I see a post asking why we don't just move along when I object in this manner, I think we should switch shoes, and ask you, do you think his sympathisers in the media should be allowed to misrepresent his sneaky, conniving and deceitful behaviour as just moving from one club to another, and if yes why?

I see your point, but i reckon the sympathy he gets from the media, and from anybody really, stems from the nature of the abuse he received, namely the most revolting (and in reality, totally unfounded) amount of homophobia. That whole brand of abuse towards him has died down, but until quite recently was pretty intense. I remember him leaving us and I thought he was a scumbag and he broke my heart, and I totally get why spurs fans might want to disparage everything he says in the media to a degree, but I also think that the sympathy he gets in the media from non-spurs fans, is justified. We gave sol Campbell a very rough ride whilst he was still an arsenal player, but he is done now, it's over!

 

[shelfyid]

dozy lunatic probably thinks he should have got the utd job. i'm sure the moron could get a job at lower league clubs to prove himself, you know, like all wannabe managers with no experience should be doing.

 

[beats1]

Seriously who would hire someone who walked out on their club after 1 game after signing a big contract

 

[mk_spur]

Campbell in race card shocker.
Despicable human being who will sink to any length to manufacture sympathy.
Well good luck with that Judas!!!!

 

[Nicholasw23]

What's wrong with starting at the bottom....has Sol ever coached? I think not......

He should stop playing the race card and acting like a victim. Maybe he should ask Wenger for a position given how much money he saved Arsenal.

 

[Kingstheman]

Ah, to be a famous, millionaire ex-footballer who gets a bit of TV and film work and to think life took a colossal dump on you still...

 

[StartingPrice]

I see your point, but i reckon the sympathy he gets from the media, and from anybody really, stems from the nature of the abuse he received, namely the most revolting (and in reality, totally unfounded) amount of homophobia. That whole brand of abuse towards him has died down, but until quite recently was pretty intense. I remember him leaving us and I thought he was a scumbag and he broke my heart, and I totally get why spurs fans might want to disparage everything he says in the media to a degree, but I also think that the sympathy he gets in the media from non-spurs fans, is justified. We gave sol Campbell a very rough ride whilst he was still an arsenal player, but he is done now, it's over!

And I can see what you are saying, too.
Unfortunately, two wrongs do not make a right.
It was wrong of any Spurs fan to reference alleged sexual orientation or to reference race allegedly* when castigating him for his sly, sneaky and duplicitous behaviour. But, further, I always think that to focus on factors extraneous to the issue is a bad error in itself. * I say alleged because, as I understand it, at the time there were songs referring to him as Judas and referencing him hanging form a tree. Now, to me that is so obviously a clear reference to Judas, according to the Gospels, hanging himself from a tree out of remorse/despair at the extent of his betrayal of Jesus. But some experts decided that if it said hanging from a tree it could only be a reference to lynchings in the deep south. To me that was always a non sequitor - he committed an act of base betrayal and was likened to Judas who committed suicide by hanging himself from a tree /of, and any further reading was from the Scampbell Defence League trying to make Spurs fans the baddies. I am not sure that there was any direct and unambiguous racial abuse.

So, to have this need to defend the man [sic.] based upon the fact that he shouldn't have been abused about sexuality or race [sic.], rather than say that that type of abuse is wrong but accept that what he did was a deep affront to the club that nurtured him, the fans who gave him full support and that he claimed to have supported, is just wrong. It is a second wrong and the first wrong doesn't make the second wrong a right.

So, to recapitulate: I don't have much problem with media/footballing people giving him some sympathy for being the subject of intense and sustained homophobic abuse, never did it, never supported it, always thought it was a self-defeating tactic anyway. Ditto race if it was ever used against him - though, as said, IMHO the Judas song was not at all about race.

What I do have a problem with is the constant attempts to rehabilitate him with a justification of his actions as just moving from one club to another. That has nothing to do with homophobic or racist abuse. If they want to try to rehabilitate him, that's up to them - don't expect me to treat him as Yoda scapegoat figure. If they want to specifically state that nothing he did warranted homophobic or alleged racist abuse I will agree with them. But once they get onto the he only moved from one club to another - no he didn't only move from one fecking club to another, he strung the club that nurtured and developed him, and the fans that supported him, on, while secretly conspiring to join our despised local rivals, and may well have actually been duplicitous in directly conspiring to cheat us out of a transfer fee in his final window at the Lane. Hell, we may well have sold him at a decent fee the previous summer if he had been upfront about his intentions. That is not just moving from one bluddy club to another bluddy club, and every time I hear anyone on the media stating it as if it were a fact I am going to say that it bluddy well isn't so.

So, speak out against discriminatory abuse against him = okay. Try to justify his actions as a totally trivial matter and standard switch from one club to another = not okay.

And maybe, just maybe, if, rather than defending him, folk in the media went out of their way to point out how despicable his behaviour was, before roundly condemning discriminatory abuse, and if the man [sic.] himself would finally publicly admit that what he did was absolutely not okay and he has remorse about it, Spurs fans really will be able to properly move on. Is that happening, or anywhere near close to happening? NO!

 

[StartingPrice]

p.s. I find it interesting that neither TVoR, nor anyone else has taken me up on the issue Scampbell is claiming (in a totally non self-centred, self-serving way, of course) to draw attention to - namely our very own Chris Ramsey (not to mention Chris Hughton, before him.