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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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I think it all falls down to his inability to coach a proper structure and attacking strategy into the team. Also the fitness side too.

He can still get little wins along the way (like you mentioned) but ultimately It's not built to last because players may rise yo challenge for a game but they have nothing to fall back onto.

This is what surprised me more than anything. It looks like we are really badly coached. His preparing us for what we might face may be great but it’s the setting up of ourselves being omitted is what has shocked me the most. In that regard, imagine how the players feel - confused and demotivated. We can see that coming across in their performances.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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I actually think the treatment of Bale will be actually what tips the balance in levy’s mind and gets him sacked.

We were struggling in February, Bale comes back in the side making us enjoyable to watch, scoring goals and helping us to win games. Then he’s dropped after the arsenal game and never to be seen again (except in the last 5 minutes when chasing a goal) despite proving that starting him in games recently produced dividends.

If he starts against Southampton I suspect we will win with ease, but he won’t, so we won’t.
 

GutBucket

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May 26, 2013
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This is what surprised me more than anything. It looks like we are really badly coached. His preparing us for what we might face may be great but it’s the setting up of ourselves being omitted is what has shocked me the most. In that regard, imagine how the players feel - confused and demotivated. We can see that coming across in their performances.
Not surprising since he doesn't believe in sports science and previously clashed with medical staff. Hard to move forward when you hire manager who is stuck in the past, basically makes many investments in new training ground and medical/analytical stuff useless.
 

DiVaio

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May 27, 2020
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Sanchez wasn't letting us down so regularly under Poch.

In fact, I saw a video the other day showing Sanchez moving the ball into midfield frequently. The reason he was doing this was because players were rotating positions which created space, even Sissoko was doing this.

Under Jose we don't do this, which puts more pressure on Sanchez as he's not the greatest with the ball, but still Jose is making it harder for him.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Feb 1, 2005
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Sanchez isn't good enough. His passing alone would be enough reason to say that. No buses and not being thrown under one.

He does do some excellent things from time to time, but on that front he's a bit like Ndombele for me. He'll do something that makes you think 'wow' in the 15th minute of a game, then nothing, piss poor and another 'wow' moment might come a game or two later. Not enough, not nearly often enough, complete lack of consistency and in Sanchez's case, be honest, when the ball goes anywhere near him you're just waiting for the fuck up.

So he does have some positive attributes, this isn't a slagpiece, but for me, those aren't enough. He simply isn't as good a defender as you would want to see in a team going for top four, let alone titles or even playing regularly in the CL.

All in my opinion of course.
 

buckley

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Sep 15, 2012
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When you think that in the fifties pre season was aimed at getting the weight off. from the close season overeating and drinking .alcohol .
Some would resort to sending the team on boot camp army training as the years go on things change become more scientific .
Wenger introduced the need for players to eat properly with food aimed at not putting on weight with great success for Arsenal of course healthy eating and proper modern training is not the only reason for success on the field but it definitely helps healthy body healthy mind .
We are now at a point where almost all the players are fit in the extreme and tuned to healthy eating this is all down to the sports science .
when you find out Our manager does not believe in sports science football has come a long way since the beer guzzling days of footballers of the past it makes you wonder what he does believe in .
Jose is a yesterdays man and many things have past him by like all things in life things change and if you dont move with these changes you will be left behind .
 

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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I can't blame levy in going for someone who has won. I blame him for getting rid of Poch and not backing him properly and allowing him the rebuild but that is digressing.

Levy had the interests of the club at the forefront here but unfortunately Jose is shite but has won previously and his portfolio of achievements is up there.

Also let's not forget the profile of Jose is still huge... I mean remember when he was appointed? Breaking news all over the shop BBC news, sky news, sky sports news, etc etc etc
His sacking will be too
if not bigger.
 

faymantaray

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Apr 19, 2005
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That dragon news is worrying in that it hints at Levy being involved in the football side of things. I don't care who he rates or doesn't. He pays people to make those decisions and let's face it has proven he knows sweet fa.

Maybe I'm looking into it too much though. I really want a competent DOF

I think Levy has every right to be confused and pissed off when we play shit and drop points every single week and Bale can’t get a look in.
 

shelfmonkey

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Mar 21, 2007
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Just a fleeting thought, and thats all it is, I wonder if Jose is one of these people who, combined with his success and massive ego, now over analyses everything to the point where he cant see the wood for the trees.
Its bizarre the way he operates.
I think he's just an asshole but there may be an element of that in there.
Doesn't explain shockingly piss poor man management though. Thats his ego imo.

His massive toxic ego aside, I just think the game has left him behind, he hasn't progressed or adapted tactically.
 

shelfmonkey

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Mar 21, 2007
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I can't blame levy in going for someone who has won. I blame him for getting rid of Poch and not backing him properly and allowing him the rebuild but that is digressing.

Levy had the interests of the club at the forefront here but unfortunately Jose is shite but has won previously and his portfolio of achievements is up there.

Also let's not forget the profile of Jose is still huge... I mean remember when he was appointed? Breaking news all over the shop BBC news, sky news, sky sports news, etc etc etc

For me that exposes Levy's total lack of insight in regard to the football side of the club!
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Nov 25, 2012
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I don't think so. Me personally? I thought Mourinho was done as a top manager but it was by no means a given he would fail.

We have to remember that the bar was not set that high: Get back into the champions league and get the team functioning again.

Despite things sometimes being and often seeming pretty dreadful, he was always seemed to be on the verge of achieving something. Consider:

Initially he seemed to have a positive effect on Dele Alli.
He got Lo Celso finally playing and playing well
He rehabilitated N'Dombele
Kane is in great form after dropping off a little the past couple of years.
Son blossoming.
Making signings to increase our strength in depth
Addressing key weaknesses

and then there were ways he appeared to have adapted:

Getting Aurier and Sanchez into some kind of form
Getting Bale playing regularly and contributing
Rallying the team and becoming more attack minded - until things just imploded with the Arsenal match.

And that's the thing, he repeatedly showed that he could have been sufficiently successful but most promising things just fizzled out. He seemed able to gather the materials together but he couldn't build anything that could last.
"Getting Bale playing regularly and contributing"

2 starts in the league.
 

shelfmonkey

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Mar 21, 2007
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@jurgen @dontcallme My point being that the 'taking part is more important than winning' culture of modern times is not applicable in professional football, I get no satisfaction from reaching the CL final and losing in such a pathetic manner, I don't wear reaching the CL final as a badge of honour and neither should any Spurs fan, imo.
 

shelfmonkey

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Mar 21, 2007
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I think Levy has every right to be confused and pissed off when we play shit and drop points every single week and Bale can’t get a look in.

Not as confused as some of us fans when he failed to back Poch, then ultimately sacked him only to then hire Jose!!!
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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@jurgen @dontcallme My point being that the 'taking part is more important than winning' culture of modern times is not applicable in professional football, I get no satisfaction from reaching the CL final and losing in such a pathetic manner, I don't wear reaching the CL final as a badge of honour and neither should any Spurs fan, imo.
The fact that you connect this to being woke is pathetic and why I don’t bother engaging you in discussion.

Keep mentioning me all you want, this is the last time I will quote or respond to you.
 

Dougal

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Jun 4, 2004
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Think I may have a problem. Actually missing the fact we don’t have a game today. You haven’t broken me yet Mourinho...
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Feb 1, 2005
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Getting to champions league final is more impressive than winning the tinpot cuo, in terms of revenue, coverage, difficulty
Getting to any final is meaningless unless you win it, finishing second IS NOT an achievement, unless you live in PC, woke, Leftie world!!
Putting aside the needless part of your post, your response seemingly didn't consider or even address what he actually meant did it. Which is probably why you received the ratings you got for your reply.

Meh, I don't care. Don't even know why i'm bothering explaining it, I must be having a metrosexual cycle in my biorhythms :D
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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So it’s Mourinho that makes Davies, Winks, Sissoko, Dier, Aurier etc look shit? Not themselves? They weren’t shit under Poch? Nah just Jose, he’s ex Chelsea innit

Fuck this place man, can’t be fucked with it anymore

Also, that’s not a paradox
Can it not be possible to recognise that several players are not good enough, but also that I’m comparison with the rest of the league and many of the opponents we have failed against these players as a collective should have been able to find more success, and that it is the manager is getting less than the sum of the teams parts out of them?
 
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