Jose Mourinho

[Styopa]

There were people saying that they wanted to lose matches because they wanted Jose gone in match threads, there is literally actual quotes of some people saying that - it was obviously a minority but a loud one nonetheless.

People say all sorts of ridiculous stuff in the match threads though. Difficult to take a lot of the posts in there seriously, even at the best of times.

 

[Shadydan]

People say all sorts of ridiculous stuff in the match threads though. Difficult to take a lot of the posts in there seriously, even at the best of times.

They normally say it in the heat of the moment, either during the match or after it, people were saying it before the match.

 

[Gspurs11]

I feel like the next manager, whoever it is, is going to have an almighty task on their hands of 'reuniting the fanbase.' I guess winning well, being competitive and playing the 'Tottenham Way' is going to put them on the right path but that isn't going to happen overnight with the current background.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Ultimately football isn’t about being proven right or who is proven wrong. It’s about seeing your team win and be entertained.
Right now there’s no winning and no entertainment, and that is what’s divisive.
We are not a club that’s supposed to both play poorly and suffer poor results, and this thread shows that.

spot on mate

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Everton not looking much better or different under Carlo than we are under Jose. Both dinosaurs now haha?

 

[jurgen]

A few people on SC and Twitter not being on board with the appointment does not equate to Mourinho working "against a stacked deck from the beginning", much less "a divided fanbase in turmoil".

If you go back to November time people on here were happy, myself included. There were a few concerns about whether or not our style of play was sustainable, but generally, Spurs fans were happy that Spurs were winning.

The division in the fanbase is a result of the turmoil on the pitch, and of Mourinho's inability to maximise the considerable resources at his disposal. The fans haven't created a negative mood around the club, the team and the manager have.

None of this, or rather not much of this has been played out in the stadium either, so in fact it's only really been the press he's had to worry about, and in the past he's been a master of manipulation on that front, although the cracks are certainly showing now.

It's also hard to believe Jose at the peak of his powers, or even 50% of what he was, would have allowed the likes of big bad Harry Winks to sow discord within his squad.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Am I allowed to say I hope the next manager fails just so you can all finally see that we have half a squad of absolute dross and half a squad of real potential and world class players? No, because this doesn't make me a fan it makes me an arrogant, selfish and self-righteous piece of shit.

So there is no real argument for those who actually wanted us to fail so we could see the back of Mourinho. No matter how small that group of "fans" is, we have to weed them out.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I can’t imagine there’s anyone left who wants him to be our manager next season. Not match going fans anyway, unless they just want to go to the ground to moan for 90 minutes of course (so there might be!).

I would be interested to know if anyone does still want him though. No need to give a reason.

As mentioned a few times by many of us here, it takes two hands to clap. The number of mediocre players and deadwood we have to clear actually still IMVHO the top priority over the appointment of a new manager, just that wee bit slightly. I just can't be so sure a new manager will really give us so much of implementing his style considering if some of the stale players are not moved on. It's really a very delicate balancing act.

 

[mil1lion]

Jose wasn’t working against a ‘stacked deck’ just because a few fans weren’t keen on his appointment. That’s absolute rubbish and has no basis in reality. He wasn’t getting grief from the fans when stadiums were full. There was a really positive atmosphere for that Olympiacos game for example.

Compare to Rafa Benitez at Chelsea who really was up against it - the fans were actively against him, vocally, in the ground. He still won them the Europa League in the half season he was there, too.

I went to 2 games last February just before the pandemic. I never got any sense of dislike towards Jose either. We certainly don't sing his name but I would say it has been pretty neutral. We were probably more concerned about the injuries at that time. I do think most fans were prepared to give him this season after a transfer window. I expect they would have turned in the new year though if fans were around. They certainly would be by now.

 

[LeParisien]

Well the thing for me is those that were saying they wanted him gone asap clearly wanted the team to fail, as that is the only way it happens. As I say my personal opinion is always club above any player or manager. Those that don't are in my eyes not true supporters.

Sorry but I don’t think that’s fair. Those who wanted Jose gone were true supporters who wanted attractive football and better results. They didn’t feel Jose would deliver that. They are allowed to have that view even if DL disagrees. I don’t think that means they wanted us to lose matches.

Even if there were some who wanted us to lose or stopped caring, they would argue that Jose (and the team) were killing the club and only a change of manager could bring out better performance over the medium to long term.

We’re all true fans and want the teams success, we just have different priorities. X

 

[Betha]

Everton not looking much better or different under Carlo than we are under Jose. Both dinosaurs now haha?

Well, I follow Napoli quite close, and his years there were mostly a catastrophe. He seemed cleary past it, and, way to often, he looked outcoached and outthought, but still he clung to the same tactics who were losing him games.

But, Ancelotti was never about one way of playing, as much as being pragmatic. But still, he looks past it. I was honestly surprised at Everton doing so well for so long, but they seem to be regressing now.

 

[hamsup_sotong]

I feel like the next manager, whoever it is, is going to have an almighty task on their hands of 'reuniting the fanbase.' I guess winning well, being competitive and playing the 'Tottenham Way' is going to put them on the right path but that isn't going to happen overnight with the current background.

there is one way buddy. one guaranteed way.
start dele so we can go" Oh FFS DELE!!!!"
that reaction is confirmed whahhaha

 

[wrd]

Been trying to catch up on this thread and it feels like it's got to the point where people are lambasting what is a very very small and not even that relatively vocal minority of who either didn't want to give Jose or a chance or want us to lose for him to go.

Now I'm not defending those people but if I'm honest it comes across as those who were very ardent in believing that Jose was the right man for the job are now coming to terms with that looking like it's not the case but want to maintain some sort of moral superiority over the situation because maybe their pride has been dented due to the staunchness in defence of the man, to the point where we're now seeing posters who dared to critique Jose on footballing reasons need to prove they gave him a fair shake of it which is ridiculous as the vast majority clearly wanted him to succeed and their frustration more boiled down to decisions he made which led to him not succeeding.

 

[Trix]

Sorry but I don’t think that’s fair. Those who wanted Jose gone were true supporters who wanted attractive football and better results. They didn’t feel Jose would deliver that. They are allowed to have that view even if DL disagrees. I don’t think that means they wanted us to lose matches.

Even if there were some who wanted us to lose or stopped caring, they would argue that Jose (and the team) were killing the club and only a change of manager could bring out better performance over the medium to long term.

We’re all true fans and want the teams success, we just have different priorities. X

To be honest whether you think it's fair or not is irrelevant. There were 100% posters on here saying they wanted us to lose games to get Jose out quicker and that is a fact!

It's only my opinion that those posters aren't true supporters, so what difference does it make? I mean we will all go on discussing the finer points of all things Spurs, but my opinion on that specific point won't change no matter how hard it's debated.

 

[Shadydan]

Been trying to catch up on this thread and it feels like it's got to the point where people are lambasting what is a very very small and not even that relatively vocal minority of who either didn't want to give Jose or a chance or want us to lose for him to go.

Now I'm not defending those people but if I'm honest it comes across as those who were very ardent in believing that Jose was the right man for the job are now coming to terms with that looking like it's not the case but want to maintain some sort of moral superiority over the situation because maybe their pride has been dented due to the staunchness in defence of the man, to the point where we're now seeing posters who dared to critique Jose on footballing reasons need to prove they gave him a fair shake of it which is ridiculous as the vast majority clearly wanted him to succeed and their frustration more boiled down to decisions he made which led to him not succeeding.

Name names, go on I dare ya

 

[wrd]

Name names, go on I dare ya

Hahaha I'm not one for calling out individuals, I think they're heart is in the right place but I don't see why the likes of for example Dougal have to consistently prove they gave him a fair shot when it was clear they did.

 

[Shadydan]

Hahaha I'm not one for calling out individuals, I think they're heart is in the right place but I don't see why the likes of for example Dougal have to consistently prove they gave him a fair shot when it was clear they did.

Nah man call them out, it stops the confusion - I feel that people will often put themselves in a certain category and take it upon themselves to think you're talking to them and respond even if you might not be speaking about them.

In fact everyone should have the same energy from now on, just call people out, what's the worst that can happen

 

[neogenisis]

To be honest whether you think it's fair or not is irrelevant. There were 100% posters on here saying they wanted us to lose games to get Jose out quicker and that is a fact!

It's only my opinion that those posters aren't true supporters, so what difference does it make? I mean we will all go on discussing the finer points of all things Spurs, but my opinion on that specific point won't change no matter how hard it's debated.

Its all bout onions innit. We all look at it in a different way and no one has the right to tell anyone they are or are not a fan because of how differently they see something.
I detest the man, but if he made us a success then fair play and I 100% would have supported him.

 

[wrd]

Nah man call them out, it stops the confusion - I feel that people will often put themselves in a certain category and take it upon themselves to think you're talking to them and respond even if you might not be speaking about them.

In fact everyone should have the same energy from now on, just call people out, what's the worst that can happen

I lose half my day arguing on an internet forum

 

[Meercat]

I’ve said on multiple occasions I never wanted him, as a manager he annoys me in lots of ways and not just the bus parking stuff, and not simply because he’s ex Chelsea. I found his treatment of Eva Canero disgusting and he can bleat all he likes about same manager different players or whatever excuse, none of that distracts from the ‘human dimension’ he likes to talk about, and that is where I find him shameful.

but, you’ll also note, circa November I posted a hands up, I was wrong, all aboard the José train thing where I admitted I’d come to regret my vote of ffs can’t wait for him to leave...

I’m a Spurs fan, have been since the summer we signed Ossie and Ricky, and have seen good and bad, and very bad... what I’ve never wanted to see is my club brought into any sort of disrepute ala Eva... do I want him to fail? Fuck no, the ideal scenario was he won us a couple of cups and moved on, maybe even had his amazing second season league title tilt...and then became a distant memory. I might have imagined this horror show, but never ever wanted it. And I don’t think many did.

and to an extent, I’ll be sad to see him go because he’s still such a force in the game his presence can lead to the kind of transfer activity that is exciting, with names who would never normally consider us... will that draw still be there when he’s gone?