Jose Mourinho

[cjbyid]

The old Jose would not go round begging to a player. I imagine levy has told him to sort it or fuck off

Yeah 100% he wouldn't, you see this happen quite a bit with managers under pressure, never really works out though and they end up sacked anyway.

 

[wrd]

Jose Mourinho hints at a way back into Spurs first team squad for 'fundamental' and 'important' Dele Alli

Mourinho also said that Harry Kane could be back in action as soon as next week

www.telegraph.co.uk

A step in the right direction.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Including him amongst some of our worst players is massively unfair.

Players who have had a decent amount of minutes who at their best still contribute less than Dele has at his worst:

• Sissoko- what use is his power going forward if he gets a nose bleed in the final third, what use is his part in defence if he can’t track a runner, can’t jump and constantly gives away daft free kicks.​
• Bergwijn- has decent athletic, pace SCs power, and obviously good technique, but can’t seem to fashion a chance for a team mate and can’t seem to take a chance when presented to him.​
• Lamela- all the good attitude in the world can’t make up for a lack of basic understanding about when to play a pass, when to try a dribble and when to make a run.​
• Lucas Moura- copy and paste the Bergwijn description.​
• Lo Celso- this one is a bit harsh because of his injuries and how good we have seen him be on occasion, but until he can both stay fit and maintain something near his best level, he does not deserve to be spoken of in higher terms than Dele if we’re discussing actual achievement for this club.​

I’ve only discussed players getting time to perform in midfield/ attack, but if we were talking all players at the club, Aurier, Davies, Doherty and Sanchez have all had ample opportunity to perform this season and are still not not a patch on Dele in terms of what he’s done in recent memory (and I’m taking last season when he was apparently shit, not 3 years ago when he was sublime).

I’m not for a moment saying Dele deserves to be playing right now, only that he’s a long way away from being described amongst ‘some of our worst players’. A long way off indeed.

• Sissoko- what use is his power going forward if he gets a nose bleed in the final third, what use is his part in defence if he can’t track a runner, can’t jump and constantly gives away daft free kicks. - Lacks composure and general football intelligence
• Bergwijn- has decent athletic, pace SCs power, and obviously good technique, but can’t seem to fashion a chance for a team mate and can’t seem to take a chance when presented to him.- Not being used to best of his abilities. Would flourish in a front footed team
• Lamela- all the good attitude in the world can’t make up for a lack of basic understanding about when to play a pass, when to try a dribble and when to make a run. - Chronic lack of pace, poor decision making - Not good enough
• Lucas Moura- copy and paste the Bergwijn description. - Still living off Ajax hat trick.. Done fuck all since - SELL
• Lo Celso- this one is a bit harsh because of his injuries and how good we have seen him be on occasion, but until he can both stay fit and maintain something near his best level, he does not deserve to be spoken of in higher terms than Dele if we’re discussing actual achievement for this club. - Who knows what he can bring?.. Missing too much to be totally objective with assessment

 

[rez9000]

Maybe mourinho should have brought in more players like you describe rather than the ones he has with the exception of PEH.

But I do accept alot of what you say.

They don't necessarily have to have the attitude built-in when they arrive. It's about committing to the cause once here. They can learn the attitude at the club. Buy in to a specific culture. There was discussion of the siege mentality earlier in the season, with signs that it was taking root. The same thing needs to happen again.

 

[DiVaio]

Players who have had a decent amount of minutes who at their best still contribute less than Dele has at his worst:

• Sissoko- what use is his power going forward if he gets a nose bleed in the final third, what use is his part in defence if he can’t track a runner, can’t jump and constantly gives away daft free kicks.​
• Bergwijn- has decent athletic, pace SCs power, and obviously good technique, but can’t seem to fashion a chance for a team mate and can’t seem to take a chance when presented to him.​
• Lamela- all the good attitude in the world can’t make up for a lack of basic understanding about when to play a pass, when to try a dribble and when to make a run.​
• Lucas Moura- copy and paste the Bergwijn description.​
• Lo Celso- this one is a bit harsh because of his injuries and how good we have seen him be on occasion, but until he can both stay fit and maintain something near his best level, he does not deserve to be spoken of in higher terms than Dele if we’re discussing actual achievement for this club.​

I would say the only one player directly competing for place with Dele is Lo Celso and he showed this season more than Dele. And same could be said about Dele with staying fit

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I cannot believe how many of you are willing to turn on Alli for Mourinho. These are the same people who turned on NDombele last season. Mourinho is finished as a top manager he got old and more ingrained in his ways. Mourinho is no longer the winner some of you think he is. Everyday he is Spurs Manager it will get worse.

Mourinho has not done anything at Spurs to earn the loyalty of the fans. If anything he has done the opposite. People like Vinny Sameways Left Peg and Levy are deluded by his past. We should not have touched him after the bullying that he gave the female Chelsea Physio and Luke Shaw. No one is motivated by by bullying and that is all Mourinho is, as you get older it gets harder to change. The sooner Mourinho goes back to the only job he can do now punditry the better.

Couple of things here.

1) @

2) Spelling (even though I spelt it wrong and it's annoyed me for years)

3) When I was involved in the hiring process, I thought a proven winner would be good for this club.

4) Who in fucks name are you?

5) My fan club is growing with people signing up to call me deluded.

 

[rez9000]

Poch had massive thighs

Look at them - you could crack walnuts with those things!

 

[H-SF]

Yeah 100% he wouldn't, you see this happen quite a bit with managers under pressure, never really works out though and they end up sacked anyway.

As much as I agree with this, since Dele hasn't got his move why would Mourinho not at least leave the door open for him to fight his way back into the squad/first team. It's pure negligence from his perspective if he doesn't.

 

[Trix]

Would certainly be interesting to see what we played like with the peak poch team that finished 2nd with Walker, Toby, Jan, Rose, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Dele, Son Kane. I wonder if he'd have played the low block with them or gone for it?

See the difference straight away there is Jan and Toby were an excellent partnership and both at their respective peaks as well. Toby hasn't been the same playing with anyone else since.

 

[Shadydan]

Poch had massive thighs

 

[Metalhead]

The old Jose would not go round begging to a player. I imagine levy has told him to sort it or fuck off

Isn't that like saying when Poch wanted a player in the past and Levy wasn't willing to countenance it that he told Poch to deal with it or f**k off?

 

[Betha]

It's not an easy one to overcome. The CB pairings have only ever looked comfortable in that ultra defensive system, so when they struggle we see the midfield pair dropping deeper to try and help then the forward line take up the space they've left behind. This however isn't the game plan and as such no one really understands what they are doing. This then affects us going forward because the spaces in which they are supposed to operate they aren't there.

Can I ask what the game plan is or have been?

 

[rez9000]

I cannot believe how many of you are willing to turn on Alli for Mourinho. These are the same people who turned on NDombele last season. Mourinho is finished as a top manager he got old and more ingrained in his ways. Mourinho is no longer the winner some of you think he is. Everyday he is Spurs Manager it will get worse.

Mourinho has not done anything at Spurs to earn the loyalty of the fans. If anything he has done the opposite. People like Vinny Sameways Left Peg and Levy are deluded by his past. We should not have touched him after the bullying that he gave the female Chelsea Physio and Luke Shaw. No one is motivated by by bullying and that is all Mourinho is, as you get older it gets harder to change. The sooner Mourinho goes back to the only job he can do now punditry the better.

And it was Mourinho who turned him around.

Congratulations, dude - I've never seen someone totally undermine their own point in the space of eleven words.

 

[spursfan77]

Doesnt that break lockdown protocol

It is for work though isn’t it. Just like being at the training ground. Where according to the Telegraph it was yesterday afternoon.

 

[dtxspurs]

As I say I don't believe he thinks we can defend well enough to play more expansive. He's picked more progressive teams on paper and we've not gone into the low block and we've looked worse. Players scrambling around and looking scared to push forward for fear of being hit by a counter.

It's not an easy one to overcome. The CB pairings have only ever looked comfortable in that ultra defensive system, so when they struggle we see the midfield pair dropping deeper to try and help then the forward line take up the space they've left behind. This however isn't the game plan and as such no one really understands what they are doing. This then affects us going forward because the spaces in which they are supposed to operate they aren't there.

This only gets solved by saying fuck it we are going to concede so let's try and score more, reverting to the low block, or getting in CB's that are more comfortable.

You keep saying he’s not telling them to play defensive yet in so many games he’s picking Sissoko & Hojbjerg in a midfield 2. What else is he going to get out of that combo other than ultra defensive?

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

These players, regardless of formation are better than the showing against Brighton and we made some unforgiveable mistakes against Liverpool who punished us (we get away with nothing against them, been the same for years).

Whether its down to the manager or the players or both, they have to sort their shit out and play with more energy and desire.

Jose looks like he may be going down the same root that led to the end of time at both Chelsea and Man U. Whatever you think of him, he is not stupid. In fact he is very intelligent - so, i would hope that he does not go down that road and alienate the players as he has already started to do.

Time for the manager and players to reset. It can be done, its not too late, but it must start right now.

As I said in another thread, it was only a few short weeks ago that Man U were total shit and OGS was a dead man walking. There is not one person in the country, not even Ole himself who predicted that turn around. So it can be done with the right attitude and focus, no matter how unlikely that might seem today.

The trouble with intelligence or even pseudo intelligence is that if you mix it with arrogance you’re very unlikely to contemplate that you could be wrong.

 

[Shadydan]

You keep saying he’s not telling them to play defensive yet in so many games he’s picking Sissoko & Hojbjerg in a midfield 2. What else is he going to get out of that combo other than ultra defensive?

I think out of necessity those 2 needed to be picked because we've learnt that the backline cannot be trusted.

 

[DiVaio]

You keep saying he’s not telling them to play defensive yet in so many games he’s picking Sissoko & Hojbjerg in a midfield 2. What else is he going to get out of that combo other than ultra defensive?

Tbh Sissoko&Hojbjerg didn't play in midfield 3 since Leicester game and our results dropped

 

[dtxspurs]

I think out of necessity those 2 needed to be picked because we've learnt that the backline cannot be trusted.

Very possible, but Trix keeps saying he’s not telling them to play defensive yet he’s playing an incredibly defensive line up.

 

[yankspurs]

You keep saying he’s not telling them to play defensive yet in so many games he’s picking Sissoko & Hojbjerg in a midfield 2. What else is he going to get out of that combo other than ultra defensive?

Seems odd he’d continue to select the same players who dont listen to him. And he’d continue to select the very players who constantly put us under said pressure because they cannot play with the ball at their feet. Sorry but I dont buy it. Jose can say it all he likes but the proof is in the pudding. And the receipts continuously say otherwise.