Jose Mourinho

[YB123]

Absolutely no chance these players can beat City in the final. They simply dont have the minerals for it. Such a shame.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Bold parts 1 & 2 - Do you mean in the same way as members on here have a go at people who have defended Levy?

No

 

[Beni]

A really simplistic viewpoint, however I would rather Levy spent the approx. £40 million it would cost to a. Pay off Mourinho and b. Pay off our next managers club, and it be spent in taken that hit on players asking prices, whilst also recouping whatever transfer value we do get for them. That for me makes more of a business sense, and benefit to what we need as a club.

 

[spids]

Cant believe people on here still persevering with Sanchez or Dier in the team. Incredible.

Sanchez and Toby are our best CB pairing. Wouldn’t have Dier on the bench.

 

[YB123]

Sanchez and Toby are our best CB pairing. Wouldn’t have Dier on the bench.

Surely you try Rodon or Tanganga with Toby now?

 

[YB123]

A really simplistic viewpoint, however I would rather Levy spent the approx. £40 million it would cost to a. Pay off Mourinho and b. Pay off our next managers club, and it be spent in taken that hit on players asking prices, whilst also recouping whatever transfer value we do get for them. That for me makes more of a business sense, and benefit to what we need as a club.

There is a clause in the summer where we we can let him go for £25m instead. Jose will definitely be here until the end of the season.

 

[stormfly]

The players downed tools for Poch and he was sacked, the players have downed tools for Jose and he’ll probably be sacked. As soon as a few of those players fall out with the next manager, what’s going to happen?

I’m seeing stories coming out now about how the players are upset with the way they are being treated or the criticism they are receiving! What does that say about the type of player or mentality they have? We wonder why we can’t win anything when we have players that can’t handle some criticism!!

I get that some people on here hate Jose but don’t expect him being sacked for a new shiny manager being the end of all our problems. We have quite a few players on quite a lot of money that are destroying this club from within.

 

[rossdapep]

And what's worse is that when we sack Mourinho, this will give those players who have agitated license to do it again. They've seen it works and the club does precisely what they want to happen and if the next manager does things they don't like, they'll be happy to do it again.

Essentially, what happened with John Terry at Chelsea. He led a war against Mourinho, got him sacked and for all intents and purposes became the de facto ruler of Stamford Bridge. When Conte was appointed and again tried to reduce his role, it was Terry again that was the focal point of the problems Conte faced. Not the only factor in Conte's fractious relationship with Chelsea I readily acknowledge, but still one of the focal points. Who ran the club again descended into a tug of war between the dressing room and the manager's office.

Do we want the same at Spurs?

we don't but the good news here is the better players, or at least most influential, are remaining professional.

As Trix noted, most of those kicking up a stink are either likely to be off or are not that important going forward.

If we assume it's Dele, Sissoko, Aurier, Winks, Dier, etc - there's a good chance most will be gone this summer anyway.

Well, I certainly hope so.

I mean, the balls on some of these players to think they should be playing more or aren't playing the way they wish.

 

[Metalhead]

Mr A & C, you're a truly loveable rogue. Of that there is no doubt. But...

Bold parts 1 & 2 - Do you mean in the same way as members on here have a go at people who have defended Levy? And the first instinct of those who haven't defended Levy, is to have a pop at those who have?

One is understandable but the other isn't?

Bold part 3 - Of course it just hasn't worked. It never was going to work. Even the simpleton currently typing this knew that, and he was in a coma when the appointment happened. Some of us even said, back in 2018, just in general conversation, that the guy would be a disaster at this club. That we didn't have the players that suit his anti-football tactics (tactics ), or the fans to accept it.

It was never going to be anything other than a complete disaster.

Of course, ultimately the blame lies with Levy, as he's once again fucked up a managerial appointment and, seemingly, fucked up even more by not giving himself/the club am exit route from the stupidly big contract that he happily handed Mourinho. How does such an astute businessman make such a glaring error? Absolutely unfathomable!

Anyway, slag Mourinho off, don't slag Mourinho off. It doesn't matter which you are because, either way, he's still a monumental prick who should never have been allowed near our club.

And just because I haven't said it yet. Mourinho is a ****.

I think that wherever people are constructive in their criticism of people at the club, it seems to me that generally it allows the conversation to flow in a civilised manner but when inflammatory language is used, it only serves to get peoples' backs up. I think that if people avoided using insulting language, even though I know that these issues are emotive, it would promote a healthier debate.

I'm using your post as a way of making a point, not aiming anything at you.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Mourinho can be a stubborn biatch sometimes, although he hasnt been helped by another stubborn fool called Mr Levy who undermined mourinho with his reluctance to flog shiats like Ali and Winks.

 

[WannaDanceWithUdogie]

I think it's curtains if Villa do us on Sunday. We may be saved from no Grealish though

 

[stormfly]

I still can’t get my head round why he went with Dier and Sanchez at CB and a midfield of Winks and Sissoko from the start... And in such a crucial game to our season. That is unforgivable. Go out there with your strongest team, get that goal and then you can defend from there. It’s clear now that he’s lost the support of half of the squad and yet he still decided to go with those very same players on the night. Baffled by him and hugely frustrated, ‘twas a genuinely missed opportunity and he only has himself to blame imho.

Yet we are probably paying all of those players about 90k a week each! How did it come to this?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The players downed tools for Poch and he was sacked, the players have downed tools for Jose and he’ll probably be sacked. As soon as a few of those players fall out with the next manager, what’s going to happen?

I’m seeing stories coming out now about how the players are upset with the way they are being treated or the criticism they are receiving! What does that say about the type of player or mentality they have? We wonder why we can’t win anything when we have players that can’t handle some criticism!!

I get that some people on here hate Jose but don’t expect him being sacked for a new shiny manager being the end of all our problems. We have quite a few players on quite a lot of money that are destroying this club from within.

I just don’t buy this. Mabye they did down tools for Poch but to add very important context that was after 5 years with him having put in unbelievable effort for 4.5 years day in day out, towards the end it was confirmed that Poch wasn’t himself and was burntout and so that would obviously have an effect on the players as they could tell it has run its course.

I don’t think they’ve even downed tools for Jose anyway it’s just not working, the groupharmony isn’t there and the tactics aren’t working, that’s primarily on the manager. The players haven’t looked too happy under Jose for quite a while and why would they when there is such a focus on cutting out mistakes and stopping the opposition rather than asserting your own strengths and playing with more freedom.

 

[rossdapep]

The players downed tools for Poch and he was sacked, the players have downed tools for Jose and he’ll probably be sacked. As soon as a few of those players fall out with the next manager, what’s going to happen?

I’m seeing stories coming out now about how the players are upset with the way they are being treated or the criticism they are receiving! What does that say about the type of player or mentality they have? We wonder why we can’t win anything when we have players that can’t handle some criticism!!

I get that some people on here hate Jose but don’t expect him being sacked for a new shiny manager being the end of all our problems. We have quite a few players on quite a lot of money that are destroying this club from within.

I think a lot of players downed tools with Poch because he was himself becoming distant, sulking and had adopted a 'big brother' environment - by all accounts.

We never had an issue with these problems until the final year which tells you something went really wrong.

Jose has dug players out since he arrived, and with the way we've been playing it was always going to cause fracture - whether he was right to dig them out or not.

 

[Shadydan]

1. Ndombele and Lo Celso are both significantly better both offensively and defensively than Winks. Especially when paired with Sissoko (who is better defensively than any of them). I also would not have brought Højbjerg on at the end of the first leg to get a yellow card as though as these things always come back and bite you.

2. Can Toby really not play back to back games? He hardly ran anywhere on Sunday as we camped out on the edge of our box for the entire game. Dier and Sanchez is proven to be a very poor pairing at CB.

And whilst hindsight is always beneficial in this case, like many on here, when the team was announced I shook my head in disbelief and was pretty concerned at the Winks/Sissoko and Dier/Sanchez pairings in the heart of our team.

Ndombele went missing for the NLD and has been getting progressively worse recently and Winks last match against Palace he played well so if you're basing it on form that doesn't correlate, ability though you are right however it doesn't matter who we picked Winks and Sissoko pairing should have been good enough to see out a lead against this team hands down.

I thought I read on here that we need to manage Toby's minutes and struggles to play b2b matches, can't remember where I saw it but I thought that was common knowledge?

The Hojbjerg thing is very hindsigtery since everyone agreed that he looks tired and needed a rest and again the talent we had on the pitch should have been good enough to see it through. In fact had Jose played a stronger side people would have been complaining about them being tired in league matches, we literally have people saying this about Son.

 

[Beni]

There is a clause in the summer where we we can let him go for £25m instead. Jose will definitely be here until the end of the season.

Yes, but £25 million + whatever it would be to buy out the next manager we wanted to hires contract, we would be looking at spending at least £40 million.
Whilst most want this, and they’re entitled to, from a very simpleton view, if we are willing to do that, then my main focus of the issue is having that £40 million hit the club take to do this, take this hit elsewhere with whatever asking prices for the players we really need to get rid of. This being the first course of action, whilst still generating an income from whatever value these players are eventually sold at.

 

[stormfly]

I just don’t buy this. Mabye they did down tools for Poch but to add very important context that was after 5 years with him having put in unbelievable effort for 4.5 years day in day out, towards the end it was confirmed that Poch wasn’t himself and was burntout and so that would obviously have an effect on the players as they could tell it has run its course.

I don’t think they’ve even downed tools for Jose anyway it’s just not working, the groupharmony isn’t there and the tactics aren’t working, that’s primarily on the manager. The players haven’t looked too happy under Jose for quite a while and why would they when there is such a focus on cutting out mistakes and stopping the opposition rather than asserting your own strengths and playing with more freedom.

The last two games they have definitely downed tools. We’ve lost both of those games on effort.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

At this point the plan should be to go all out to get Nagglesman lined up for this summer and if it’s not much of a different in pay out then sack Jose now get in a new caretaker guy who can breathe some life into this team from now until the end of the season, I can only see this getting worse from here on in now under Jose unfortunately.

 

[Shadydan]

I just don’t buy this. Mabye they did down tools for Poch but to add very important context that was after 5 years with him having put in unbelievable effort for 4.5 years day in day out, towards the end it was confirmed that Poch wasn’t himself and was burntout and so that would obviously have an effect on the players as they could tell it has run its course.

I don’t think they’ve even downed tools for Jose anyway it’s just not working, the groupharmony isn’t there and the tactics aren’t working, that’s primarily on the manager. The players haven’t looked too happy under Jose for quite a while and why would they when there is such a focus on cutting out mistakes and stopping the opposition rather than asserting your own strengths and playing with more freedom.

You've just literally described downing tools

 

[rez9000]

Conte was backed by the board and fans in giving Terry they ole' stanky boot though.

But it was still a bone of contention before the board got behind Conte on that particular issue.

And even after he saw that his time was done, it didn't stop Terry from sowing seeds of discord until his monumentally self-aggrandising performance of being subbed off on the 23rd minute or whatever bollocks it was that was engineered for his final game.

Is that what we're saying here? That we want to give the players in our dressing room that kind of license? That essentially the club will now be run from the dressing room?