Jose Mourinho

[Shadydan]

Poch was with us 6 years. Big difference between things reaching there natural conclusion and shit going stale after so long and it all going south after you’ve been through the door after a couple of seasons.

You miss my point.

When Jose came in there was an initial bounce, now they've reverted to how they were towards the end of Poch's reign. If these players had stayed on the same curve for Jose then they would had stayed as demotivated as they were under Poch in his final season. Players showing nothing in the league but getting up for the Champions League for example.

This season you can't go from being top of the league and flying earlier in the season to relegation form 4 months later and put that all down to the manager - this is a clear trend.

 

[E17yid]

You miss my point.

When Jose came in there was an initial bounce, now they've reverted to how they were towards the end of Poch's reign. If these players had stayed on the same curve for Jose then they would had stayed as demotivated as they were under Poch in his final season. Players showing nothing in the league but getting up for the Champions League for example.

This season you can't go from being top of the league and flying earlier in the season to relegation form 4 months later and put that all down to the manager - this is a clear trend.

You act like Mourinho was given no new players to work with. It’s not the same squad mate.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I said in the same post that we need to clear out the wasters. It's the wasters who contribute to the whole attitude of the club. Players who are too big for their boots, who think they should be in the first team yet never ever put in a performance. It is imperative that is done, it is more important than a new manager, but both need to be done. One is useless without the other.

If the likes of Alli, Winks, Sissoko and Dier are still all here in 18 months, it will be obvious that as a club we are completely mismanaged.

It is very clear what needs to be done, but will the club (Levy) do it? The unique issue we have is the crucial english core at our club are the actual biggest problem.

Apologies, i missed that.

 

[Locotoro]

Enjoying the football then I take it?

Yes, I enjoyed many of our victories actually. Performances again Burnley, Crystal Palace only a week ago and wins from earlier in the season were very enjoyable.

Did you not enjoy the 4 goal thrashings or the 6 goal demolition. Even the comfortable wins again arsenal and City?

 

[Stamford]

And so will you be when in 18 months time those same players start delivering the same shit again. That's two managers running this has happened to and unless there's a clearout and changes to the whole attitude of the club, it'll happen to the next guy too.

yep precisely. Yeah a little upturn in form will be welcomed but we need to move forward with purpose and actually get dele, Dier, winks etc out. I don't want to be hereagain in two years under ac different manager. Those previously mentioned aren't suddenly going to turn into world beaters or put in a shift

 

[Shadydan]

You act like Mourinho was given no new players to work with. It’s not the same squad mate.

Try not to focus on what I 'act like' rather than what I said.

The core of the players who were here in Poch's final days are still here, no idea what new players brought in have to do with this.

It seems like downing tools is very much ingrained in the culture of football clubs clubs nowadays, I guess we are no different to anyone else.

 

[dondo]

I think most would like a rebuild but to play some nice football in the meantime.

Jose wont ever tick that second box.

In an ideal world I would sack mourinho and ditch 10 or so players from the squad. Give the job to nasslesmann with some money to spend? and give him 2/3 years but I don’t think we have the finances to do this

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Sorry, speaks, but in what way is that any kind of precis of Mourinho's approach to management?

Are you seriously suggesting that that's it? That that's what they teach for the UEFA coaching badges. If it is, I'm signing up today!

No?

I am saying that it is Jose's personal management style.

I'd hope they don't "teach it on UEFA courses" as I think it is a shit way to try and get people playing well for you.

 

[Locotoro]

I still can’t get my head round why he went with Dier and Sanchez at CB and a midfield of Winks and Sissoko from the start... And in such a crucial game to our season. That is unforgivable. Go out there with your strongest team, get that goal and then you can defend from there. It’s clear now that he’s lost the support of half of the squad and yet he still decided to go with those very same players on the night. Baffled by him and hugely frustrated, ‘twas a genuinely missed opportunity and he only has himself to blame imho.

Who would you have started in midfield?
Hojbjerg was suspended, Lo Celso is returnin from injury and Ndombele can't seem to stay on his feet longer than 12 seconds.

Whilst I agree any combination would have been better the options were limited and we have a game on Sunday

 

[E17yid]

Try not to focus on what I 'act like' rather than what I said.

The core of the players who were here in Poch's final days are still here, no idea what new players brought in have to do with this.

It seems like downing tools is very much ingrained in the culture of football clubs clubs nowadays, I guess we are no different to anyone else.

But the core players aren’t the problem are they? I thought it’s just a few bad eggs like winks? Sorry I find it confusing as to who these problem players are.

 

[hughy]

You miss my point.

When Jose came in there was an initial bounce, now they've reverted to how they were towards the end of Poch's reign. If these players had stayed on the same curve for Jose then they would had stayed as demotivated as they were under Poch in his final season. Players showing nothing in the league but getting up for the Champions League for example.

This season you can't go from being top of the league and flying earlier in the season to relegation form 4 months later and put that all down to the manager - this is a clear trend.

Our PPG average of 1.125 over the last 16 league games (since Arsenal at home) over the course of the season is 42.75 points. Even if we round that down to 42 that would see us finish 13-15 in each of the last 7 seasons, and never relegated in a 38 game season in PL history.

Our form is unacceptable, but to claim its "relegation form" is just false.

Don't be false.

 

[Shadydan]

Who would you have started in midfield?
Hojbjerg was suspended, Lo Celso is returnin from injury and Ndombele can't seem to stay on his feet longer than 12 seconds.

Whilst I agree any combination would have been better the options were limited and we have a game on Sunday

There was nothing wrong with the team he picked to take into a 2-0 lead, all we had ton do is score 1 frigging goal and the team he picked couldn't even manage to do that.

 

[dondo]

But the core players aren’t the problem are they? I thought it’s just a few bad eggs like winks? Sorry I find it confusing as to who these problem players are.

Why are winks and Dier the bad eggs? Is that hearsay or have we had itk on this?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Or let's have a look how Poch dealed with it

1. Dele having some bad games but its Dele, who was two seasons very important for the system
2. Dele continues to play
3. Dele still plays bad and does not really contribute
4. Dele plays....not very good
5. Dele is testing his limits in Social Media and gets a fine
6. Its Dele, he plays....even though not really contributing
7. Dele sad, new manager comes, praises Dele
8. After a nice start Dele plays underwhelming in 90 % of the appearances he makes

1. Be Poch.
2. You keep playing Dele.
3. You get to Champions league final.
4. Get sacked

5. Be Jose.
6. Exile Dele from the team.
7. Get knocked out of Europa scrub league.
8. Get given more money in the summer, because being knocked out of the Europa League, Fa Cup, and struggling in the PL is all Dele's fault.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Why are winks and Dier the bad eggs? Is that hearsay or have we had itk on this?

Cos when I watch them play my head feels scrambled.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Yes, I enjoyed many of our victories actually. Performances again Burnley, Crystal Palace only a week ago and wins from earlier in the season were very enjoyable.

Did you not enjoy the 4 goal thrashings or the 6 goal demolition. Even the comfortable wins again arsenal and City?

At the time yes, but the team has never capitalized from any of those results and progressed.

And theres been just as many poor performances, if not more.

Getting outplayed by the likes of Fulham, Brighton and Zagreb is not for me.

 

[E17yid]

Why are winks and Dier the bad eggs? Is that hearsay or have we had itk on this?

I dunno which is why I’m asking. You keep seeing people say these players downed tools for poch and are doing the same to Jose so I’m asking which ones.

 

[chas vs dave]

It generally stinks at the end of every mangers reign that's why they get sacked. This isn't unique to Spurs or this squad. The manager can't effectively get his message across and teams become disjointed and factions appear within the dressing room.

Agreed, he carries the burden of responsibility. Not disagreeing there. The only consistent here is that we need to have a player clear out.

I doubt we will clear many players as post covid transfers are going to be difficult, in terms of levy's values.

 

[carpediem991]

1. Be Poch.
2. You keep playing Dele.
3. You get to Champions league final.
4. Get sacked

5. Be Jose.
6. Exile Dele from the team.
7. Get knocked out of Europa scrub league.
8. Get given more money in the summer, because being knocked out of the Europa League, Fa Cup, and struggling in the PL is all Dele's fault.

What a biased and simplistic point of view not even close to the whole truth.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

What a biased and simplistic point of view not even close to the whole truth.

Sorry mate, my dissertation on inter-personal squad relations and psychology is on my other laptop.