Jermain Defoe (to Portsmouth)

[Kettle]

As I said on the Front page about this…

Personally I think this could be smart man management by Ramos. He knows Defoe wants to stay, as that’s all he keeps saying, but he isn't signing that contract.

Basically Ramos is saying look you can stay but we're willing to sell you if you don't sign a contract soon. This puts Defoe under pressure as the club is now seen as willing to sell a top player and if Defoe really wants to stay he will sign a new contract. I doubt Jol would of said something like this and would of been begging Defoe to stay in the papers etc this then means the ball is in Defoe's court and he can ask for whatever he wants...

 

[nikosramone]

Defoe loves money - not tottenham.

 

[Babylon22]

don't give a shit about defoe. where are the defernders and defensive midfielders?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just to add, I don't think this is the same as Campbell. I think Defoe would definately stay and sign if he thought he was going to see more football than of late. With Campbell there was never an intention of staying.

 

[ham]

defoe going

It was obvious when he never got a game on saturday he was going.
i hope he comes back to haughnt us.
We buy s*** like bent and we want to keep him berbatov will leave be it jan or in the summer.
so all we have is keane
why do this just before our big games defoe at least comes on and gives 100% koves the club and is really asking the question give me a chance not one game in and one game out.
we have gone from a club on the verge to one on the brink.
we need a new owner before this club goes back to the sugar days.

 

[theShiznit]

It smacks of the next level of money grabbing from Sky Andrew to me.

"Ok Jermain here is the next step, Spurs know you are going to see out your contract and rake it in with a free transfer to Pompey/West Ham etc. so they are not going to allow that with me here, so replace me as your agent (I'll still be your agent but we will only talk on the phone until you leave here) then make noises about wanting to stay and not wanting to leave for any other club, and how you love every spurs fan even the ugly ones. then as time is ticking away start saying well the club don't want me etc. until before they know it it's june 2009 and were in the money (again for me)

I wouldn't put anything past that money grabbing B'stard. *that's this one not defoe http://www.bbc.co.uk/communicate/archive/sky_andrew/page1.shtml *

 

[DC_Boy]

the thing is at spurs it is not at all clear that JD is better than Bent

Bent's injury has clouded the situation but the basic premise remains - JD & RK are an ineffectual pairing - they are too small and lightweight - Jol knew this, JR knows this

Bent like Berbs has the physical attributes that enable him to play to start with any other of the 3 strikers - that's why Bent was bought - that's why when fit he's liable to start more times than JD - it's quite simple really

 

[Michey]

Dramaqueen :evil:

 

[sloth]

The problem is this...

Defoe for all his abilities, is always going to be number three and with Bent's all round game, maybe even number four. Even if a striker leaves or gets injured, he stays where he is in the pecking order, again due to his lack of versatility. Therefore, he's a luxury and the money we could get for him could be the extra bit we need to secure real quality elsewhere in the side, especially when we'd be unlikely to get in a striker to replace him.

This means he is never going to get the playing time he wants, or indeed deserves.

Defoe's said that unless he gets the playing time he's not going to sign. Ergo, he's notgoing to sign. Especially not this window.

It follows then that we have to sell.

His claim that he's going to stay and fight for his place is disingenuous. There is no place for him here, the coach has told him so, it couldn't be clearer. He's not going to stay and fight, he's going to stay and run down his contract before leaving on his terms for a big signing on fee and the club can go f*ck itself.

We have to sell him this window and that's all there is to it.

 

[sheringmann]

Shouldnt we embrace this guy??????

I mean he is showing us some loyalty when he says he is going nowhere and wants to fight for his place....sort of like Solskjaer..

Or are we waiting for him to sign that new contract first?

 

[SpurSince57]

Defoe has scored five goals in seven matches recently, and the sure footedness he has shown in front of goal since his time at West Ham means that he would not be stuck for choices if he did elect to leave Spurs.

This guy has obviously watched us a lot over the past three years.

 

[theShiznit]

DC boy is right, in the modern game even someone as well respected as Michael Owen is often on the periphery of games and it can almost be like playing with 10 men at times as Defoe offers so little in the middle third of the pitch, or with his back to goal, and very rarely in a game does he pick the ball up final third facing the goal. with a chance to run at defenders.

 

[Legend10]

the thing is at spurs it is not at all clear that JD is better than Bent

Bent's injury has clouded the situation but the basic premise remains - JD & RK are an ineffetual pairing they are too small and lightwieght - jol knew this JR knows this

Bentlike Berbs has the physical attributes that enable him to play to start with any other of the 3 strikers - that's why Bent was bought - that's why when fit he's liable to start more times than JD - it's quite simple really

I would agree with this DC

Out of all our strikers it is only Defoe & Keane who are direct competiton, the other 2 can play with anybody or even on their own.

It would appear that like Jol before him Ramos prefers Keane, in which case with his contract running down we really must try to cash in on defoe why we can.

It pains me to say this as I actually prefer Defoe to the bottleless Keane but reality is reality and we must really attempt to get the money in to reinvest.

 

[runeskanoy]

Shouldnt we embrace this guy??????

I mean he is showing us some loyalty when he says he is going nowhere and wants to fight for his place....sort of like Solskjaer..

Or are we waiting for him to sign that new contract first?

I'd wait till he signed the contract. He hasn't even been willing to enter into discussions yet!!! And it's been more than half a year since we approached him about it:violin:

 

[sloth]

Just to clarify, pablo is a journalist and the story in today's Sun is his story. So don't look at it as confirmation from a different source.

BEN is saying on FTL there is a whole lot more that he wishes he could say and hopes to do so in a couple of weeks.

I would be amazed if Pablo was Charlie Wyett, if he were we really would have the inside line on Spurs.

What we know is Pablo is a journo working in Ireland. We also know he's a Spurs fan, unless we think he posts stuff on Spurs' forums just for a laugh. What we also know is the press are lying scum-bags, but they're also a closed shop, while they lie to the rest of us within that shop it is unlikely they don't know the wheat from the chaff.

In conclusion therefore we can say, Pablo supports Spurs, he picks up snippets through his work and the snippets he passes on are more likely to be genuine than made-up. We can be sure he only passes on what he believes to be genuine.

That to me sounds like the archetypal ITK and because of his job it makes him more reliable than many of the others. His past information suggests this, unless you either

A) Dismiss information that comes from the press because it will be in the papers the next day anyway (SS's argument). Or,
B) Remember him only for the times he was wrong and not the times he got it right (like SS does :wink

 

[Legend10]

I'd wait till he signed the contract. He hasn't even been willing to enter into discussions yet!!! And it's been more than half a year since we approached him about it:violin:

This isn't true.

Comolli himself said when interviewed at the UEFA cup draw that discussions with Defoe were going well and he hoped that a new deal would be signed soon.

 

[ethanedwards]

Just like a game of poker. Has JD overplayed his hand,senor Ramos has perhaps called and went all in. Time to lay the cards on the table folks.

 

[SpurSince57]

I would be amazed if Pablo was Charlie Wyett, if he were we really would have the inside line on Spurs.

What we know is Pablo is a journo working in Ireland. We also know he's a Spurs fan, unless we think he posts stuff on Spurs' forums just for a laugh. What we also know is the press are lying scum-bags, but they're also a closed shop, while they lie to the rest of us within that shop it is unlikely they don't know the wheat from the chaff.

In conclusion therefore we can say, Pablo supports Spurs, he picks up snippets through his work and the snippets he passes on are more likely to be genuine than made-up. We can be sure he only passes on what he believes to be genuine.

That to me sounds like the archetypal ITK and because of his job it makes him more reliable than many of the others. His past information suggests this, unless you either

A) Dismiss information that comes from the press because it will be in the papers the next day anyway (SS's argument). Or,
B) Remember him only for the times he was wrong and not the times he got it right (like SS does :wink

It's much harder to remember the times he gets anything right.

 

[sloth]

I think what those sticking up for Defoe fail to realise is that he doesn't get selected for football reasons. Given that he's at least as good at scoring goals as any of the other three, what reasons could they be??

To me it's obvious why he's down the pecking order and I don't know why others can't see it.

Anyway, he isn't in the top pair and maybe not even first stand-by and this is the decision of our coach. Ramos has been honest enough to say as much to the player, now Defoe needs to absorb it and make a decision. He says he won't sign unless he plays more often, he's been told he won't play more often, the alternative is not to run his contract down because the club won't accept it, nor will Ramos play him because he blackmails him to and playing time won't be written into any contract for any player. We have to sell him.

 

[stevenqoz]

Defoe has a contract and is meeting his part of it without question. Tottenham are meeting theirs by providing him with ongoing opportunities to train and occasionally play. It will not really matter that he doesn't sign another one and gets to leave on a 'free' because if Spurs valued their 'asset' they would have taken more care of it while they had Defoe under contract .......ie now. What do Tottenham seriously think that asset will be worth at any time between now and the end of it if they don't even pretend that it has 'worth' during the contract. Defoe will be a fully depreciated asset at the end of his contract, it will just be unfortunate for Spuirs if his residual value enables him to negotiate a decent deal on his own. BTW the Campbell and Defoe situations are different. Campbell was the backbone and skipper of our side right up until the end. Defoe is on the edge and has been there for 2 seasons now. The club are wrong here if they think theyw ill push him out. Contracts go both ways.