Harry Winks - Leicester City

[Archibald&Crooks]

"Virtue Signaling"

Love when this term is used to describe people who are being rational adults and calling out poor behavior. You're telling on yourself.

It actually annoying. I think any normal person would want SC to be a bit better than somewhere that tolerates this hateful behaviour so to see it called out is a little bit frustrating as it gives the impression that the hate is being defended and that people think SC should be a venue for that.

There's nowhere where it should be acceptable. It's hard to police on here though because people see different levels in everything, perhaps it's down to the individual to think about the reaction and consider how they want to behave going forward.

 

[C-oops]

"Virtue Signaling"

Love when this term is used to describe people who are being rational adults and calling out poor behavior. You're telling on yourself.

As the quote goes (think by some obscurish comedian) "virtue signalling is what ****s call empathy"

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The kickback has been about some of the more ridiculous, knee jerk, spite filled and hateful stuff spouted by people.

I'll be honest, I am seeing a lot more of the "kickback" than the actual " ridiculous, knee jerk, spite filled and hateful stuff spouted by people."

Maybe its being deleted before I see it - but it feels like there is more hatred towards people who hate Winks, than there are people who hate Winks.

 

[Lifelong]

All the abuse he’s getting on social media is totally ott….this is a player who, not that long ago, was being talked about in some circles to have Englands midfield built around him (I wasn’t one of them but still….). I think there are lots of teams out there that he could do more than a decent job for, it’s just we’re not one of them.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I'll be honest, I am seeing a lot more of the "kickback" than the actual " ridiculous, knee jerk, spite filled and hateful stuff spouted by people."

Maybe its being deleted before I see it - but it feels like there is more hatred towards people who hate Winks, than there are people who hate Winks.

Nobody 'hates' the people who post abuse aimed at Winks. And you're probably seeing a lot more of it because it reflects the strength of feeling on the subject. Not to mention people are probably seeing the reaction and (thankfully) giving it a rest

I'd have thought that was clear.

And it'll probably carry on until people stop making bollocks excuses for it such as we've seen over the past couple of pages.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I'll be honest, I am seeing a lot more of the "kickback" than the actual " ridiculous, knee jerk, spite filled and hateful stuff spouted by people."

Maybe its being deleted before I see it - but it feels like there is more hatred towards people who hate Winks, than there are people who hate Winks.

That’s because the hateful stuff has been a constant trickle that has permeated through many many threads across this forum over a long period of time. What your seeing now is a concentrated rebuttal to all of that coming out right now and housed entirely in this thread.

 

[UncleBuck]

Look at this guy trying to get more eyes on his instagram account

You know what I don’t do any of it apart from this work account I’ve just had to set up through gritted teeth!
I’ve always been of the nature the less out there about me the better and reading through some of the comments made to him after he’s congratulated the team on a result just amazes me.
The sooner they bring in registrations or whatever it is they are proposing for social media sites the better.

 

[qqq1]

He's not been a good enough player for a few years but he doesn't deserve abuse for that.

I remember a ridiculous comment on a match thread last season where Winks got subbed on and someone was saying they hoped we lost the game because he'd come on.

We used to laugh at Arsenal fans for treating their players like shit and always going over the top.

 

[djhotspur]

If he’s staying in the prem I hope we are getting money for him, even 15m for him, 20 for tanganga and hopefully money for regi from Fulham would make a huge difference

 

[Wig]

Keep on seeing this thread being bumped and each time it's a boring back and forth of people slating him then others defending him. Maybe we just leave it for a bit until there's some worthwhile update?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

"Virtue Signaling"

Love when this term is used to describe people who are being rational adults and calling out poor behavior. You're telling on yourself.

There’s a big difference between being a ‘rationale adult’, which I agree with you on, and the tendency to over egg behaviours that run contrary to what we agree on or value, which is what we’re seeing, at times, in here.

You’ve actually chosen to focus exclusively on a single term- ‘virtue signalling’- from my original post without considering all of what I said. I was stating that I’m seeing both sets of behaviours- virtue signalling and irrational vitriol- alluded to or even expressed in this thread and that there is a broader, more nuanced way to have this discussion about Winks. Then your last sentence accuses me of virtue signalling, despite the fact I made clear in my post that neither behaviour is especially useful, unless of course you think that any type of analysis that attempts to discuss behaviours as an example of ‘virtue signalling’, which seems conveniently dismissive

 

[kremlyn]

There’s a big difference between being a ‘rationale adult’, which I agree with you on, and the tendency to over egg behaviours that run contrary to what we agree on or value, which is what we’re seeing, at times, in here.

You’ve actually chosen to focus exclusively on a single term- ‘virtue signalling’- from my original post without considering all of what I said. I was stating that I’m seeing both sets of behaviours- virtue signalling and irrational vitriol- alluded to or even expressed in this thread and that there is a broader, more nuanced way to have this discussion about Winks. Then your last sentence accuses me of virtue signalling, despite the fact I made clear in my post that neither behaviour is especially useful, unless of course you think that any type of analysis that attempts to discuss behaviours as an example of ‘virtue signalling’, which seems conveniently dismissive

You didn't do it very well because that's how i read it too.

But thanks for clearing it up.

 

[SandroClegane]

There’s a big difference between being a ‘rationale adult’, which I agree with you on, and the tendency to over egg behaviours that run contrary to what we agree on or value, which is what we’re seeing, at times, in here.

You’ve actually chosen to focus exclusively on a single term- ‘virtue signalling’- from my original post without considering all of what I said. I was stating that I’m seeing both sets of behaviours- virtue signalling and irrational vitriol- alluded to or even expressed in this thread and that there is a broader, more nuanced way to have this discussion about Winks. Then your last sentence accuses me of virtue signalling, despite the fact I made clear in my post that neither behaviour is especially useful, unless of course you think that any type of analysis that attempts to discuss behaviours as an example of ‘virtue signalling’, which seems conveniently dismissive

I look at people who use "virtue signaling" the same way as those who use "cancel culture" and "the woke mob".

The world is evolving and they're stuck in their ways and don't want things to be better for other people. "I went through it so others should too".

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

It actually annoying. I think any normal person would want SC to be a bit better than somewhere that tolerates this hateful behaviour so to see it called out is a little bit frustrating as it gives the impression that the hate is being defended and that people think SC should be a venue for that.

There's nowhere where it should be acceptable. It's hard to police on here though because people see different levels in everything, perhaps it's down to the individual to think about the reaction and consider how they want to behave going forward.

I agree with the sentiment of your original post. And I’m always cautious of using the term ‘virtue signalling’ but there’s also a an anti anti-Winks sentiment growing here. I don’t do social media (apart from this place), and can only imagine the vile lunacy that is slung about on those platforms, and I also agree that this place shouldn’t be a venue for any type of vitriol that exists on social media but there has also been a bandwagoning of posts critical of others criticising Winks. I think we can have a discussion about the value of Winks as a player without falling into either trap

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

You didn't do it very well because that's how i read it too.

But thanks for clearing it up.

That’s the problem with typing shit and not talking with people face to face. Especially when you’re squeezed for time

 

[smithym]

The people giving him absolute pelters will be the same people chanting “Yido” and cheering his name when it’s read out when he does come back playing against us.

Pathetic cretins.

Gave us all he could give, when he first broke he looked like a classy little player and did pretty well for England in those early days. Deserves more respect than this.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I look at people who use "virtue signaling" the same way as those who use "cancel culture" and "the woke mob".

The world is evolving and they're stuck in their ways and don't want things to be better for other people. "I went through it so others should too".

I’m also very careful of that, and don’t typically use that expression although it has a place. I think people on any place on any political or cultural spectrum can ‘virtue signal’- one of the great (and most depressing) achievements of the right wing media is to codify the term into a very narrow definition. I probably shouldn’t have used it for these reasons

 

[spursfan77]

So do we think it will be a loan or a sale?

We could do with a sale really with teams only wanting to loan Ndombele, GLC and regullion. Need to bring some cash in surely? I bet the club are a bit disappointed with getting no fees in for those players.

 

[SandroClegane]

I’m also very careful of that, and don’t typically use that expression although it has a place. I think people on any place on any political or cultural spectrum can ‘virtue signal’- one of the great (and most depressing) achievements of the right wing media is to codify the term into a very narrow definition. I probably shouldn’t have used it for these reasons

All good mate!

 

[piedpiper]

What gets me when people throw this accusation out is that at the time this supposedly happened everyone wanted Jose gone. Everyone knew things had gone a bit toxic at the club. So it’s not like he stabbed a beloved manager in the back like Poch, or Jol.

But either way, it’s just rumour. And he doesn’t deserve all the abuse.

The worst part of it all is nobody can tell you exactly what he said, who he said it too and WHY did he still get game time afterwards. it's sad how so many on here can continously spout the drivel but can't give a factual account of who the journalist he went too, when and what was said. Now players who've caused disharmony have immediately been banished and trained alone...but Winks still went on to play in several games.