Harry Winks - Leicester City

[chrissivad]

Looks like he got a knock when they broke from our corner(?) and he was last man.
Slid in then side stepped around a player.

I think he will be fine, but the way he plays he will always pick up a few knocks.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Looks like he got a knock when they broke from our corner(?) and he was last man.
Slid in then side stepped around a player.

I think he will be fine, but the way he plays he will always pick up a few knocks.

Harry says Hi ..

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Delicious.

 

[gavspur]

I think we see quite a few of these DM type of players that burn out or pick up too many knocks. Palacios, Wanyama etc, hope Winks can stay strong and fit for many years though.

What I did notice about yesterday is that our midfield could really do with a Carrick type of player sitting deep. Maybe Winks can grow in to that role, which isn’t a destroyer role, just better at reading the game.

 

[mil1lion]

What because he took a knock to the ankle there is doubts he'll last the season? Nonsense. He's a tenacious young player with great heart and determination so he'll always get stuck in. He'll need to rest just as everyone else will. Hopefully Dier is available more this season to rotate with him and Skipp will get some minutes too.

 

[Giovanni]

Will his fitness survive the EPL intensity.
He's playing with so much heart and that's great, I'm not sure he will survive long in this intense league.
Looked like he got a knock yesterday.

In a 4231 he wont need to play every game. He has sissoko, tanguy, skipp, dier and glc to share with.

 

[SteveH]

In a 4231 he wont need to play every game. He has sissoko, tanguy, skipp, dier and glc to share with.

is that part of Lo Celso's game?

 

[Gbspurs]

Took a real cruncher from McGinn too. He's certainly going to pick up more injuries this season as he is so blood and thunder in how he plays.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

With the greater squad depth in midfield the players will be able to rest when injured more and not need injections to play because we are so thin.

 

[spids]

Winks is not a DCM. His positioning defensively is pretty awful. He did a great job as last man to stop that counter, but he offers no shield to our CBs in open play. Our goals against stats dipped at the same time our DCMs (Dier and Wanyama got injured / ill). Winks can set our tempo, but often starts a game too cautiously, with too many sideways passes and not enough vertical ones. Once he gets his rhythm he is great, and he is best in the middle third when he’s driving through gaps and moving us forwards with purpose. I’d like to see Dier alongside Ndombele as I think that would give us the best pivot.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Winks is not a DCM. His positioning defensively is pretty awful. He did a great job as last man to stop that counter, but he offers no shield to our CBs in open play. Our goals against stats dipped at the same time our DCMs (Dier and Wanyama got injured / ill). Winks can set our tempo, but often starts a game too cautiously, with too many sideways passes and not enough vertical ones. Once he gets his rhythm he is great, and he is best in the middle third when he’s driving through gaps and moving us forwards with purpose. I’d like to see Dier alongside Ndombele as I think that would give us the best pivot.

Maybe against bigger teams will play Dier as the DM and Winks and NDombele as Central Midfielders one slightly forward and one slightly more central but its going to end up with How Poch picks the players more forward. With Dier he is a DM without a doubt,a tough tackler and strong and Winks is more of an all rounder,but where would he fit now with Ndombele (and maybe Skipp vying for the position too)
Winks play yesterday was great in his longer passing and that great and important tackle but can he own it at DM? Difficult one

 

[Clive Wilson]

I love Winks, proper Tottenham lad, clever player, 100% committed but I still just don't see an elite player there. He doesn't make many mistakes, he is likeable, he is hard working and he plays attractive football but I'm not convinced he has that extra bit that the true top CMs have. The days of Huddlestone, Taino, Bentaleb, Mason, Livermore, O'Hara etc. have lowered our standards. If we want to be consistently at the very top we need CMs that can be compared to Makelele, Vieira, Keane, Davids, Kante, Modric, Fernandinho, Scholes, Gerrard, Toure, Silva, Alonso etc.

Like I said I love the lad but if he was from Paraguay and looked like Suarez I think our fans would be much more forthcoming when discussing his weaknesses. Like with Michael Dawson it seems to me our fans a bit biased because he just such a good bloke.

I can already predict that people will bring up Jordan Henderson in response but firstly... 2 wrongs don't make a right and secondly as much as I hate to say it Henderson is pretty damn good and particularly in that system. We don't play the same way.

I hope I'm wrong and he continues to develop.

 

[nicdic]

Still can't believe how many don't see it with Winks.

I guess the same was true of Carrick and Modric.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Still can't believe how many don't see it with Winks.

I guess the same was true of Carrick and Modric.

Classic 'makes the game look easy' syndrome. Same with Dele and Eriksen.

 

[Clive Wilson]

Still can't believe how many don't see it with Winks.

I guess the same was true of Carrick and Modric.

Modric and Carrick I loved immediately. I actually class Dembele in that same bracket also, everyone questioned his end product and lack of goals, assists but he was fundamentally a DCM QB for us, he shielded the centre backs and allowed Rose and Walker to play as wingers. Now everyone is saying 'Winks isn't a DCM' but he isn't battered with the 'doesn't score or assist enough stick'. I do see glimpses but what I see more than natural talent is work rate and likeability.

FWIW - I think Eriksen is world class and Alli is very harshly criticised, I see the intricacies in their games that make them special and of the level we need and think both could play a part in any team in the world. At the moment I don't think many top level teams would take Winks.

I genuinely would love to be able to quote this at the end of the season and laugh at myself for missing his world class potential.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I really like Winks. I happen to think that we may well settle on a Ndombele - Sissoko partnership at the base of midfield though.

Those two are just such units and Sissoko's ability to break the press is really bloody useful

 

[mark87]

Still can't believe how many don't see it with Winks.

I guess the same was true of Carrick and Modric.

A friend compared him to Joe Allen in terms of ability level a couple weeks ago. I was stunned.

 

[Styopa]

Still can't believe how many don't see it with Winks.

I guess the same was true of Carrick and Modric.

I like Winks but he has a long way to go before being seriously compared to those two. They were obviously exceptional and it was no surprise when they got massive moves.

 

[danielneeds]

Maybe against bigger teams will play Dier as the DM and Winks and NDombele as Central Midfielders one slightly forward and one slightly more central but its going to end up with How Poch picks the players more forward. With Dier he is a DM without a doubt,a tough tackler and strong and Winks is more of an all rounder,but where would he fit now with Ndombele (and maybe Skipp vying for the position too)
Winks play yesterday was great in his longer passing and that great and important tackle but can he own it at DM? Difficult one

Playing Dier against City or Liverpool is a fucking nightmare because of how vulnerable he is to high pressing. I'd rather Winks and Nodombele, who can both break the press.

 

[Trotter]

Still can't believe how many don't see it with Winks.

I guess the same was true of Carrick and Modric.

Absolutely loved Modric and Carrick and often had arguments with people that didn't see it in them.
Difference is they moved the ball around intelligently, quickly and always thinking forward to drive us on.

It is the last bit that Winks is missing, as his stock play is to pass backwards or sideways to our centre backs or full backs and let them deal with it, and why at the moment he is our weakest link in the team, well maybe apart from Right Back situation,
Our play slowed down dramatically last season (even compared sometimes to AVB in the boredom stakes at times), he is the main reason for that.

Nice guy, home grown, Committed, but nowhere near the class, or influence of a Modric or Carrick when they were with us.

Whether criticized for poor defence, or not going forward, not assisting or scoring, people that defend him, just come up with well that isn't his job, but never come up what his job really is, apart from recycling possession, sorry need a hell of a lot more than just recycling possession.
Other teams fans see him as our weakest player, and I have to agree (well Right Back is still an issue)

Instead of criticizing our fans saying they can't believe they don't see it in Winks, maybe remove the home-grown spectacles and ask yourself,
What does he really bring to the team ?
Should he be doing a lot more ?
Why did we only start attacking in the Champions League Final after he was taken off after 75 minutes (0 shots in 75 minutes, 11 in last 15 ?) Could ask that question about Saturday, and a lot more occasions by the way.
Is his regular inclusion last season (previously Dier/Dembele was main midfield) possibly one of the (if not the main) reasons why our attacking play curtailed massively, and our defence was exposed and conceded over 50% more goals.
Would we not be better playing a player in that position that adds to the defence or attacking side of our game, or preferably both ?
Would he get into any other of our peers teams, would they play a player who contributes not much more apart from making himself available to receive a pass and then passing to our defenders?

 

[DJS]

For me when all fit and fresh Winks and Ndombele is a no-brained.

Sissoko is also a valuable option and provides strength in the middle but Winks and Ndombele are different class and provide a lot more flexibility.

Also, must be remembered with both of them that they are both still young and developing, Winks has also been unfortunate that his flow has been disrupted by injuries but he is oddly underrated by some in these here parts.