Harry Kane

[For the love of Spurs]

The real elephant in the room is not whether he stays this season but where he plays next season.

I can easily see us having a decent first season under Ange with Kane central to everything followed by an almighty fall next season as the club tries to adjust to life without him. Ange could easily end up being the fall guy like Ramos and AVB were when they lost their key players after decent first seasons.

Hopefully, I am being overly pessimistic but we have witnessed our fair share of false dawns at Spurs. It would be hugely disappointing to be starting over again in eighteen months' time.

we had Kane with Poch and while Kane was good he wasn’t the reason for Poch’s success, it was the system. Ange has a system that could make the likes of Maddison, Bissouma even Richarlison (if he keeps fit) stars.

I think with Jose and Conte they are used to experienced world class players and simply leaned too heavily on Kane as he is the only player maybe in that category.

 

[Styopa]

we had Kane with Poch and while Kane was good he wasn’t the reason for Poch’s success, it was the system. Ange has a system that could make the likes of Maddison, Bissouma even Richarlison (if he keeps fit) stars.

I think with Jose and Conte they are used to experienced world class players and simply leaned too heavily on Kane as he is the only player maybe in that category.

I agree to an extent and hope you are right. But it's unlikely that Richarlison will get sufficient game time this season if Kane stays. Especially if we have no European matches. It will be a lot to expect him to step up to replace Kan after two seasons playing off the bench.

 

[muffwah]

Which, assuming we are talking something more like 50m, would seem to be something DL could agree to.

it does seem to always come down to how much HK values a move (and CL football) right now.

Or a release clause which tapers down each season

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

- If Madrid, Barca or City had wanted him this year he would of gone by now, Bayern is a bit meh to him and if he didn't get it he wouldn't cry into his beer about it.

- Levy knows he's doomed if he sells and doomed if he doesn't

Re the point above, it's not Kane's lack of excitement about Bayern that's stopping this deal happening. It's Levy not liking the package. Otherwise he goes.

Also, Levy is not 'doomed' whatever happens. He has a rock solid position at the club.

 

[muffwah]

Okay Donna.

Is this supposed to be an insult? I presume it relates to DMC - why do you imagine she has a significant influence over football matters?

Just the latest scapegoat for the fans who swallow all the journalist fantasies as far as I am concerned.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Waiting for a new 'deadline' to be set by the Bavarian club

 

[Tucker]

Waiting for a new 'deadline' to be set by the Bavarian club

That’s what I worry about, when time is involved Germans usually have “vays of making you tok!”

 

[KingNick]

Or a release clause which tapers down each season

Yes, it would need to given his age, but i think the main thing is just to initially get this season secured without the threat of him leaving for free at the end. Even a 25m release would achieve that whilst giving us the chance to persuade him that he shouldn't be leaving even if someone does want to pay that release.

Of course, the package we offer would need to be enough to keep HK happy as what he would get as a totally free agent would need to be compensated.

This is all dependent on him being persuaded that Munich is not the best move for him right now and that Ange deserves a chance.

 

[Haddock]

Waiting for a new 'deadline' to be set by the Bavarian club

All work and no deadline makes Florian a dull boy.

 

[JacoZA]

Them lot down the road have spunked £100 million on England's starting DM, and have spent £300 million, making them the highest spending club in Europe in this window.

We're flogging one of our greatest ever player to buy a couple CB's.

As the kids say; levels.

F… the kids. Comparison is the thief of joy.

 

[Styopa]

F… the kids. Comparison is the thief of joy.

I think if the last few years have taught me anything, it's that I just want to be able to enjoy following us again. I couldn't care less about what other clubs are doing as long as we are enjoyable to watch, competitive and making progress. Plenty of Arsenal fans were worried about us when we appointed Mourinho and Conte, whilst lots of people on here were laughing at Arteta a year ago. With or without Kane, the signs are we have a lot to look forward to this season.

 

[ofosh]

I'll be honest. I thought I'd be gutted at the thought of Kane going but I think it was clear from the moment Levy refused to deal with City 2-3 seasons ago that he would go on a free transfer and I got my head around it then. As I said to three of my Spurs/Cricket loving mates last week, I feel more gutted that Stuart Broad has hung up his boots than Kane going.

Yeah, he's our record goalscorer but we've lost players of his calibre before and we moved on. We will do it again. Christ, we lost Hoddle, Waddle, Lineker, Gazza, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Modric, Bale... the list goes on. Yeah, he's one of our own and it will hurt but we will survive.

From what we've seen of Ange's system in pre-season, anyone lucky enough to start up top will get chances.

However, someone needs to draw a line in the sand so we all know where we stand. Munich, Spurs, Kane, Levy...us the supporters, this cant be dragged out any more. We can't go into the Brentford game with the uncertainty. Its doing everyone's head in now.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Yes, it would need to given his age, but i think the main thing is just to initially get this season secured without the threat of him leaving for free at the end. Even a 25m release would achieve that whilst giving us the chance to persuade him that he shouldn't be leaving even if someone does want to pay that release.

Of course, the package we offer would need to be enough to keep HK happy as what he would get as a totally free agent would need to be compensated.

This is all dependent on him being persuaded that Munich is not the best move for him right now and that Ange deserves a chance.

It is utter fantasy to think Kane would not play out his contract if he stays. He isn’t stupid and it would be very stupid of him to agree something before that, when he could simply agree to stay at Spurs anyway at the end of the deal, while at the same time see what other options he has.

I know what you are saying would be ideal for us, but you have to look at it from Kanes perspective and he would be limiting his options for no gain at all.

 

[Albertbarich]

Just hope it's all resolved soon.

With van Der Ven all but in we now have a very good first 11, especially with Bentancour gets back and even if we swap Harry out for Richy.

But we need stability and probably another defender , maybe a wide player and midfielder too for options. Of course we need lots to go out but Harry leaving or staying changes the dynamics of who we can and can't get I'd imagine.

On the plus side he seems rekax d and focused on the football either way and Ange is just amazing at pushing away all the nonsense around it.

 

[sifub]

I think the ITK has been hedging their bets a little - most of the information seems to be that Bayern have made an acceptable bid, and that Kane is willing to go to Bayern - so all signs point to him leaving - while at the same time, never saying that Levy has accepted Bayern's bid.

An alternative is that Levy has accepted the bid and requires Kane to actively say he wants to go - hence the ball being in his court. If I remember correctly Kane has said he is willing to go if spurs want to sell him. He has put the onus on Levy, and perhaps Levy has flipped it to him to make the statement. It would be better optics for Levy if kane announces he wants to go.

 

[KingNick]

It is utter fantasy to think Kane would not play out his contract if he stays. He isn’t stupid and it would be very stupid of him to agree something before that, when he could simply agree to stay at Spurs anyway at the end of the deal, while at the same time see what other options he has.

I know what you are saying would be ideal for us, but you have to look at it from Kanes perspective and he would be limiting his options for no gain at all.

The gain for him would be we would significantly increase his wages for this season plus signing on fee. That could equate to a hell of a lot of money (say £15m) that he wouldn't get if he sits on his current deal. By then having a modest release clause, he is not being overly prejudiced from securing a big more and can still demand a massive deal from the buying club who would still be paying a lot less than market rate.

 

[Rosco1984]

I know people are still saying its close but its just confusing how many minutes he played yesterday not that he played at all as you wouldnt want to show your hand but to play 80 minutes? when he already had a hat trick? something seems to be getting missed here.

 

[TC18]

The gain for him would be we would significantly increase his wages for this season plus signing on fee. That could equate to a hell of a lot of money (say £15m) that he wouldn't get if he sits on his current deal. By then having a modest release clause, he is not being overly prejudiced from securing a big more and can still demand a massive deal from the buying club who would still be paying a lot less than market rate.

A release clause wouldn’t stop speculation though, so we wouldn’t be that better off (money wise definitely).

I agree though, we need him to sign a contract if he is staying. I don’t know how we can realistically convince him, sounded like our contract offer was high. We can sign all the players in the world but it takes time for them to gel.

Will surely come down to personal preference. I’ve been offered jobs in the past after interviews, sometimes moving on to ‘bigger and better’ things just isn’t as appealing when you know how much it will change your family life with young kids.

Is an easy trophy worth all the hassle? Or stay, get paid a shit tonne of money, play exciting football, become PL top goal scorer at your boyhood club?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I wonder how much longer this can drag on. Really odd situation to be in a week before the season starts. BM by all accounts have made an offer very close to what we are asking for (“an acceptable offer”) but we haven’t turned it down nor have we accepted it. Is Levy still unsure or is Kane now having doubts? Ether way surely something has to be decided in the next 1 or 2 days max. We really don’t want this hanging over us any longer surely.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I was surprised that Richy was missing yesterday. I just wonder if he was pissed that he didn't start. Hopefully he will get 90 mins vs Barcelona