Harry Kane

[GioW]

Hearing they haven't increased their bid, and they will have to if they want this done. Looks like they are so used to just bullying teams into submission which for all his faults won't happen with DL. They know what they need to do now put up or shut up.

Thought he was 100% gone last night, now I'm 50/50.

Sounds about right.

Reckon they swanned into town expecting to ultimately get their own way.

Problem is , it's us that suffers if this rumbles on. Also really worrys me that if H stays , from January onwards, every press conference becomes about him again.

 

[Tucker]

Hearing they haven't increased their bid, and they will have to if they want this done. Looks like they are so used to just bullying teams into submission which for all his faults won't happen with DL. They know what they need to do now put up or shut up.

Thought he was 100% gone last night, now I'm 50/50.

Don’t do it to me Trix. It’s the hope that kills.

 

[spursfan77]

Hearing they haven't increased their bid, and they will have to if they want this done. Looks like they are so used to just bullying teams into submission which for all his faults won't happen with DL. They know what they need to do now put up or shut up.

Thought he was 100% gone last night, now I'm 50/50.

None of that surprises me Trix. What is it with these clubs wanting Kane but not wanting him quite enough to actually pay what he’s worth. Someone needs to put a time limit on it if that’s the case. But as I said above I think levy will bd happy to let this play out for the rest of the window.

 

[heinsmit]

Well then, that's unexpected. Bit of hope maybe?

I don't think it should be unexpected though, we know we are here dealing with a) Levy, known for being rightly or wrongly steadfast in valuations, and b) Bayern Munich who are known to be arrogant and think they can always get what they want. This was always a distinct possibility

 

[G Ron]

So where does that leave our incoming business?

If we're waiting for this to conclude before pulling the trigger on incomings that's just so disappointing again from the Club.

I'm all for standing firm and not being bullied but why are we not pushing forward with addressing the weakest area of the squad, irrespective?

No choice but to conclude that Kane's sale is linked to the quality of CB we bring in

Madness. What have we spent so far? £54M? Plus we’ve recouped £10M for Winks. So net £44M. Worst case we have to pay £50M for Tapsoba and £35M for VDV that’s £129M. In no way should the Kane sale have any impact. Unless we’re planning on signing Gvardiol for £100M with the Kane proceeds.

 

[robotsonic]

How thick and isolated are Bayern if they haven't even heard of the Big Master of Negotiation before?!

 

[matty74]

So we get to keep a unhappy kane Lose his for nothing next summer and go into the new season with dier Davies and tanganga as defensive options . Bloody brilliant!!

 

[KingNick]

Interesting, almost like something happened between the low spend in the prior 20 years that allowed us to have one of the highest net spends in the last 3 years. Can't quite put my finger on what that was.

oh yeah the £1Bn stadium and £853M debt pile - the highest in the PL.

if we were debt free your argument would stack up. Sadly we’re not and so it doesn’t.

good effort though

This is just not right though. Long term debt is on favourable terms. Our Ebitda has clearly gone up since the new stadium and allows for more spending than we could have achieved pre new stadium.

 

[spursfan77]

Madness. What have we spent so far? £54M? Plus we’ve recouped £10M for Winks. So net £44M. Worst case we have to pay £50M for Tapsoba and £35M for VDV that’s £129M. In no way should the Kane sale have any impact. Unless we’re planning on signing Gvardiol for £100M with the Kane proceeds.

We are waiting for bargains at the end of the window now. It was fine when paratici was involved, we got deals done, but now levy has the reigns the modus operandi of the previous 18 years will be back. History tells us that.

 

[McFlash]

Hearing they haven't increased their bid, and they will have to if they want this done. Looks like they are so used to just bullying teams into submission which for all his faults won't happen with DL. They know what they need to do now put up or shut up.

Thought he was 100% gone last night, now I'm 50/50.

I'm pleased to hear that.

As much as Levy is an annoying little shitbag, when it comes to standing up against bullyboy tactics, there aren't many I'd rather have fighting the corner than him (probably because I suspect he suffers from small man syndrome).

I didn't think Bayern would be able, or willing, to meet our demands and that's why they've been whipping up such a media narrative, to try and force Levy's hand.
We all know that's going to do the complete opposite and he'll just dig his (uplifted) heels in further.

I'd be more than happy if Kane sees out another season and I'm prepared to deal with whatever consequences that may bring.
I just don't like the idea of Bayern trying to bully us like they do everyone else.

 

[Dave1882]

Just hope they can’t get to the number. Kane stays and Ange gets us playing enough to make him want to stay

 

[McFlash]

I'm still taking the adamant stance that whatever happens with Kane shouldn't affect the rest of our business.

Granted, it kinda looks like it is but I'm clinging on to a little bit of hope that now we're back from tour, shit will start happening.

 

[Bing]

I'm at the stage where I couldn't care about Kane and this whole saga and much more concerned on the CB situation and if selling him will hurry us up into buying them

This is about where my head is at.

Sell Kane for £80m with a PL right of first refusal, get in Tapsoba, VDV and Muani and let's see how we go.

Richarlison could step up. I'd keep one of Ndombele and GLC as well...I think they could both do a job in an Ange system. Porro is another attacking option on the right (just can;t see him working as a defender to be honest).

It's going to be a difficult season. The top teams have all done very good business.

 

[Mr Pink]

Madness. What have we spent so far? £54M? Plus we’ve recouped £10M for Winks. So net £44M. Worst case we have to pay £50M for Tapsoba and £35M for VDV that’s £129M. In no way should the Kane sale have any impact. Unless we’re planning on signing Gvardiol for £100M with the Kane proceeds.

Plus we're likely selling Reg, Dav and whoever else

 

[DenverSpur]

Bring on all your hate - but I think we will score more goals, and finish higher than 8th this season - without Kane.


Football is a team sport. I think we have become too reliant on just a few players. Without Kane to rely on - I think we will see several players step up into bigger roles this season.

We may not have a 30-goal scorer in the squad - but we will have more players involved in the build-up and in the goals.

I’m getting a bit worried that I find myself Agreeing with your posts for the last few days but you’re right again. In our run to the CL Final the team did fine without Kane in the QF against MCity and the SF against Ajax. They will do just fine again if/when he goes.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Honestly people need to ask themselves how many times they've heard the same thing's

- The reason we weren't investing was to put everything into the stadium, when that comes we'll be investing.
- Since the stadium has opened how many time's have we heard that we're ready to back a manager
- That outgoings won't impact incomings, only then for business to slow down and it comes down to getting players out the door
- We're ready to be cut players short and have the shake up the club needs and get consistent underperformers out the door, only for that not to happen
- That a player in a specific position is wanted before a certain date in pre-season, only for it not to happen
- That a manager feels we need a CB but we can't find the right one. Jose, Conte, Ange
- That a manager is more flexible with choice given us options, before we hear the problem was we couldn't get the specific player the manager wanted
- That a manager has become miserable and unresponsive to the cause and gone into self protection mode.

I presume you're blaming this on Levy / the board. How many of your bullet points came from the horses mouth and how many were rumours / speculation?

How many times is it going to take before people admit to themselves that they can't accept what's right in front of them, how many different managers, how many different styles, before the stadium, after the stadium, before covid, during covid, after covid. External factors that seemingly don't seem to impact other football teams.

Which other teams were in the middle of building an £800m stadium during Brexit and the pandemic?
Mistakes have certainly been made, but it was to be expected that we would be impacted by these factors far more significantly than any other PL team was.

How can a stadium be built with promises of revenue streams the likes of which no other club can compete with, not move the needle for this club. How many times do Arsenal and Liverpool need to outspent, outdo us before we people accept the truth. How many times do we need the same pattern to hit us in the face with different variables both for us and the patterns of other clubs, which we're told aren't sustainable before people stop the illusion of thinking the board care about anything other themselves. confront the pain and join the rest of us in the 500 stages of spurs grief.

I think I'm trying to accept it myself

Arsenal is an odd comparison to choose.

Arsenal's stadium opened 13 years before ours. It cost less than half as much as ours did and they had finished paying for it over half a decade before ours opened. Therefore, they are currently about 15-20 years ahead of us in terms of paying for and enjoying the financial benefits of a new stadium.
While they were paying for their new stadium, their transfer spending was massively impacted and they became a "selling club" with star players like Henry and Fabregas jumping ship, despite the increased matchday revenue. They went from regularly winning and challenging for major trophies to going 9 years without a trophy. After paying off their stadium, they went 6 consecutive seasons without qualifying for the CL.

So if Arsenal is the example we should be matching, for how a club should perform in similar (but in reality more favourable) circumstances to ours, you should expect:
- Kane & Son to leave.
- Our squad to become gradually weaker year-on-year for the medium term.
- A prolonged absence from the CL.
- Two or three domestic cup wins in circa 2030, but having a PL points tally closer to mid-table than to the title contenders.
- Qualifying for the CL for the first time in years in circa 2035-2040.

If we do better than the above during the next decade, we will have exceeded what Arsenal achieved. If we do similar or slightly worse than the above, it will be extremely disappointing, but pretty consistent with what should realistically be expected, if we are to use Arsenal as an example of what is "good" or "par" under the circumstances.

It seems Kane is going, but I remain optimistic that we will still do better than Arsenal did.

 

[Gpnash84]

If the stories about Kane being calm about staying one more year are true I can’t see Bayern succeeding in low balling Levy closer to the end of the window. Unlike Berbatov or even Bale who had downed tools Kane won’t do that and Levy would never recover his reputation if he sold our record goal scorer close or on deadline day. Much more confident Bayern aren’t willing to go to Levy’s price now.

 

[philll]

Well then, that's unexpected. Bit of hope maybe?

Hope for what? It sounds like he kind of needs to go if we want to get the much needed defenders in.

 

[G Ron]

This is just not right though. Long term debt is on favourable terms. Our Ebitda has clearly gone up since the new stadium and allows for more spending than we could have achieved pre new stadium.

I don’t dispute the fact the stadium build increases revenues and in turn spending power. I dispute the fact that zero net spend almost every season for almost 20 years was because all revenues were being ploughed into building a new stadium as had that been the case we would be debt free.

anyway it’s not for this thread

Back OT - So who blinks first Re Kane? I personally don’t see our owners risking losing him to a rival on a free next summer and so I wouldn’t be surprised to see stories of “Kane pushing for a move” very soon.

lets see

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Madness. What have we spent so far? £54M? Plus we’ve recouped £10M for Winks. So net £44M. Worst case we have to pay £50M for Tapsoba and £35M for VDV that’s £129M. In no way should the Kane sale have any impact. Unless we’re planning on signing Gvardiol for £100M with the Kane proceeds.

We’ve committed to Kulusevski and the obligation for Porro. Our net spend this summer is a little over £106m so far.