Harry Kane

[Monkey boy]

Glad to see this thread has calmed down a little after the last couple of days. Has anyone listed the clubs that could afford him yet or given their thoughts on likely sale price?

 

[Donki]

Little to no money.... oh how ENIC Jedi mind trick is working wonders on you

Daddy Joe is loaded and no doubt Levy has a few quid, but Tottenham Hotspur PLC is not.

 

[wrd]

Why? Levy did exactly that with Modric and honoured it completely.

Because I think if it came down to it and it meant we about to be left in a terrible position then Levy and most other chairmen would rather prioritize their club over a handshake agreement with a player with 3 years left on their contract. Given the market is overall down due to covid this summer, that his value will hold for another season, we're trying to entice a new manager and we're still looking at companies putting their name on our stadium there's a lot of reasons why selling Kane this season isn't a goer. If it were true that Kane last season had a gentlemans agreement, I don't think Levy would be afraid to renege on that.

 

[dontcallme]

Glad to see this thread has calmed down a little after the last couple of days. Has anyone listed the clubs that could afford him yet or given their thoughts on likely sale price?

My view/guess is only Man City, Man Utd and PSG are in a financial position to put up the money. The bid would need to be around 180m.

 

[HodisGawd]

Daddy Joe is loaded and no doubt Levy has a few quid, but Tottenham Hotspur PLC is not.

You're right, we're not a PLC.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Mate with the money we could get for Kane we could buy Spam’s whole squad and still have spare change

Totally bud, I was half jesting, I hate hate hate spam and would love to nick their best.

 

[Typical Spurs]

kanes been in more finals and league chases. Not everyone can win. Vardy was also anonymous in the final. But luck was with him that day.

Sorry, got to come in here. Now I don't like Vardy. But to say he was anonymous is harsh. Granted he didn't see much of the ball. But I thought his effort and work rate off the ball was fantastic. His pressing was insane. Didn't give Chelsea defenders a minute and I thought he genuinely played like his life depended on it.

In fact, most of the Leicester team effort was the same. They worked so hard on and off the ball. I said in another thread, some of our 'big' players who think they're better than they are, should take note of the effort required.

 

[robin09]

Quite possibly. What I don’t get is other team’s fans, like Liverpool, Chelsea and arsenal wanting him to join Man City. Do they not realise by him going there it basically makes the league like the Bundesliga? It will be impossible for anyone else to win the league except them. Especially Liverpool fans. It’s very stupid.

The situation is already like the Bundesliga.

It's why I'm surprised the ESL seemed a step too far to fans, as though the current system is completely fair. City win everything. Occasionally another side has an incredible season and pips them to a cup.
Neville was furious about the ESL, it would ruin football. Yet his employer, Sky, is constantly trying to unsettle the best players at any club not deemed 'big enough'. They get more views, the big players end up going to the big clubs and the status quo remains.

All that being said, Levy won't let Kane leave.

 

[spids]

Why? Levy did exactly that with Modric and honoured it completely.

When Levy would not sell Modric to Chelsea Modric was furious and claimed that Levy broke their gentleman's agreement.

"I reminded the chairman of our gentleman's agreement when we were in Dubrovnik last summer and I agreed a contract extension with Tottenham," Modric told Sportske Novosti. "At that time, I had an open chat with Levy – that if a bigger club came in with a concrete offer, we would consider it and agree the best solution for all concerned. Now Levy doesn't want to talk to me and said there is no possibility that I can leave Spurs. He threatened me – he said if I didn't accept the club's stance, they would make me sit on the bench or in the stands."

Levy forced Modric to stay an extra year and then sold him on his terms, and not to a domestic rival. Any player making a gentleman's agreement with Levy and thinking that will over rule a legally binding contract is very naive at the very least.

Levy will know there is no point keeping any unhappy player long term, and that he will need to maximise the transfer fee we recoup for that player. But right now, I imagine Levy is desperate to keep Kane at least until next season when foreign clubs will hopefully have greater transfer budgets that they do at the end of a lockdown year. After learning a hard lesson with Carrick and Berbatov he has shown with Modric, Bale and Eriksen that he will not sell players to domestic rivals.

 

[Trix]

Because I think if it came down to it and it meant we about to be left in a terrible position then Levy and most other chairmen would rather prioritize their club over a handshake agreement with a player with 3 years left on their contract. Given the market is overall down due to covid this summer, that his value will hold for another season, we're trying to entice a new manager and we're still looking at companies putting their name on our stadium there's a lot of reasons why selling Kane this season isn't a goer. If it were true that Kane last season had a gentlemans agreement, I don't think Levy would be afraid to renege on that.

Don't get me wrong even with an agreement in place, Levy will have a price in mind. He would never let an asset go for less than it's worth.

 

[wrd]

Don't get me wrong even with an agreement in place, Levy will have a price in mind. He would never let an asset go for less than it's worth.

Yeah I think my post might have come across as an implying a dig at Levy, that wasn't my intention, I just meant that any player thinking a gentleman's agreement will be enough in my opinion is foolish because when push comes to shove, a chairmen will have no problem upsetting the player if it leaves the club in a hole, with Levy I don't think he'd bat an eyelid at if Kane is kicking up a fuss this summer given the circumstances, he'll be steadfast and @spids just showed an example of that with the modric situation of where my thinking was.

 

[Trix]

When Levy would not sell Modric to Chelsea Modric was furious and claimed that Levy broke their gentleman's agreement.

"I reminded the chairman of our gentleman's agreement when we were in Dubrovnik last summer and I agreed a contract extension with Tottenham," Modric told Sportske Novosti. "At that time, I had an open chat with Levy – that if a bigger club came in with a concrete offer, we would consider it and agree the best solution for all concerned. Now Levy doesn't want to talk to me and said there is no possibility that I can leave Spurs. He threatened me – he said if I didn't accept the club's stance, they would make me sit on the bench or in the stands."

Levy forced Modric to stay an extra year and then sold him on his terms, and not to a domestic rival. Any player making a gentleman's agreement with Levy and thinking that will over rule a legally binding contract is very naive at the very least.

Levy will know there is no point keeping any unhappy player long term, and that he will need to maximise the transfer fee we recoup for that player. But right now, I imagine Levy is desperate to keep Kane at least until next season when foreign clubs will hopefully have greater transfer budgets that they do at the end of a lockdown year. After learning a hard lesson with Carrick and Berbatov he has shown with Modric, Bale and Eriksen that he will not sell players to domestic rivals.

He says it himself there though it has to be in the best interest of all concerned. Selling him to Chelsea was never in our best interest. As soon as a good bid came from abroad he went.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Because I think if it came down to it and it meant we about to be left in a terrible position then Levy and most other chairmen would rather prioritize their club over a handshake agreement with a player with 3 years left on their contract. Given the market is overall down due to covid this summer, that his value will hold for another season, we're trying to entice a new manager and we're still looking at companies putting their name on our stadium there's a lot of reasons why selling Kane this season isn't a goer. If it were true that Kane last season had a gentlemans agreement, I don't think Levy would be afraid to renege on that.

Levy wouldn't even put himself in the position of having to renege on it. Even if he agreed to let a player go if Spurs received an acceptable offer, he would never reveal what he deems that to be. So whatever offer did come in, he could refuse it and legitimately say that it didn't meet his valuation. He would not be honour bound to accept it.

 

[robin09]

Glad to see this thread has calmed down a little after the last couple of days. Has anyone listed the clubs that could afford him yet or given their thoughts on likely sale price?

A gajillion quid. So no clubs will be able to afford him. So the whole thing is a waste of time.

 

[wrd]

Levy wouldn't even put himself in the position of having to renege on it. Even if he agreed to let a player go if Spurs received an acceptable offer, he would never reveal what he deems that to be. So whatever offer did come in, he could refuse it and legitimately say that it didn't meet his valuation. He would not be honour bound to accept it.

Yep this is why I hate the notion of gentleman's agreements, not just in football but in general. There's always these loopholes and the person whose had the carrot dangled in front of them always comes away with a certain belief and what they think they've just agreed to is usually vastly different than what the person with the power actually agreed to, always worded carefully. If it's not in your contract or in writing then for me you're just setting yourself up to be pissed off down the line. The gentleman's agreement usually only comes good when the variables change to where there's no choice to honour it or it's too good to turn down, in Modric's case it was because he was going abroad for a large chunk of change, In Kane's case it'll be when there's 2 years left because that will be at the right moment between extracting value and time left on contract.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

He also had an inform Eriksen behind him back then.

I feel this almost reinforces my point. Back then Kane had a peak Eriksen, Dembele and Dele in the side to build attacks with, now he’s just had Son for 2/3 of a season and Bale for admit 1/4, so everything has gone through him.

I’m not trying to denigrate his improvement, but the way, he is currently my favourite version of Kane. I’m probably not articulating it particularly well but what I believe is that he was always around this level anyway when fully fit, and that all we’ve seen is his own natural progression and high standards. I don’t think he has in anyway been coached to be any better than he was pre Mourinho, I think he has done what I expect of him as I think he’s been the best number 9 on the planet since he was about 22.

Same as I think that Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Zidane, Del Piero real Ronaldo when fit, do and did always perform at an incredible level from their early twenties onwards regardless who was in charge.

If Mourinho really was able to get Kane from being great to even greater, then he’d have been able to get our good players to very good and our poor players to adequate. You don’t just coach one player at a time.

 

[Athenspur]

The best way for Spurs to show ambition like Kane wants is keeping Kane for at least another year.

 

[spids]

He says it himself there though it has to be in the best interest of all concerned. Selling him to Chelsea was never in our best interest. As soon as a good bid came from abroad he went.

I think the point is that a gentleman's agreement (and particularly with Levy) is not well defined and is all about how Levy interprets the agreement himself. Modric for one certainly felt that Levy did not fully honour their agreement so I do not think you can say that he did (as you said in your post that I replied to).

You could say Levy felt that he honoured it whilst Modric felt he did not. Just as Levy will feel he honoured any agreement made with Kane last season if he makes him stay another year. Top tip to footballers - do not sign new long term contracts and then make an informal 'gentlemans' agreement with Levy outside of it.

 

[swarvsta]

Sorry, got to come in here. Now I don't like Vardy. But to say he was anonymous is harsh. Granted he didn't see much of the ball. But I thought his effort and work rate off the ball was fantastic. His pressing was insane. Didn't give Chelsea defenders a minute and I thought he genuinely played like his life depended on it.

In fact, most of the Leicester team effort was the same. They worked so hard on and off the ball. I said in another thread, some of our 'big' players who think they're better than they are, should take note of the effort required.

Nice of you to pop in and say hello, Brendan.

 

[spursfan77]

Don't get me wrong even with an agreement in place, Levy will have a price in mind. He would never let an asset go for less than it's worth.

Less than he perceives it is worth. If nobody matches that price, Kane won’t be going.