Harry Kane

[mpickard2087]

Was just about to bump this one myself, because I cant hold my tongue any longer. People like to discuss the easy targets when someone like this is where the spotlight needs to fall because he's a shining example of the drop in standards.

The decline in his workrate in the last 3 years has been steady and he's now at disgraceful levels in my opinion. There is no question he's a supremely talented footballer/goalscorer and a lot of fans might be happy with a goal a game from a handful of involvements where he suddenly turns it on but we're increasingly seeing in recent months that's not enough overall to help us win a game.

He's not leading the line. He's not leading the press. He's got no energy. He doesn't work his bollocks off anymore for the cause. We get dubious selections/formations so Moura can 'do the running up front'. The guy is, deservedly, an integral part of the team. Maybe the integral part. But he shouldn't be untouchable and we should ask questions. When we're asking what's going wrong and why Poch's approach to football is seemingly not presently being carried out/working, look at the main components rather than the easy ones I say.......

As I've said before, I want that 2014-16 version of him back that put it all on the line. That means he probably plays only like 40 games a season rather than 60+, eventually the club might work out that's for his benefit.... But I want to see a bit fire back in his belly. Whisper it, but no matter what the goals stats look like, I don't particularly enjoy watching this version of him. And as I also said over the summer, if I keep seeing this anaemic, tbh lazy, present day version of him I'm going to have to keep hammering him on here. He's not the only one that needs to rediscover that bit of sparkle and hunger, but he's possibly the most crucial one.

 

[JCRD]

Ive been pointing it out for awhile. He’s been utterly useless for far too long. It’s time to consider his place in the XI.

Yank with the very utmost and due respect thats a load of bollocks dude

Kane keep running after the ball rather than getting the ball. We just arent playing to his strengths and we should be. Passing it from side to side like we do is just shit.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Was just about to bump this one myself, because I cant hold my tongue any longer. People like to discuss the easy targets when someone like this is where the spotlight needs to fall because he's a shining example of the drop in standards.

The decline in his workrate in the last 3 years has been steady and he's now at disgraceful levels in my opinion. There is no question he's a supremely talented footballer/goalscorer and a lot of fans might be happy with a goal a game from a handful of involvements where he suddenly turns it on but we're increasingly seeing in recent months that's not enough overall to help us win a game.

He's not leading the line. He's not leading the press. He's got no energy. He doesn't work his bollocks off anymore for the cause. The guy is, deservedly, an integral part of the team. Maybe the integral part. But he shouldn't be untouchable and we should ask questions. When we're asking what's going wrong and why Poch's approach to football is seemingly not presently being carried out/working, look at the main components rather than the easy ones I say.......

As I've said before, I want that 2014-16 version of him back that put it all on the line. That means he probably plays only like 40 games a season rather than 60+, eventually the club might work out that's for his benefit.... But I want to see a bit fire back in his belly. Whisper it, but no matter what the goals stats look like, I don't particularly enjoy watching this version of him. And as I also said over the summer, if I keep seeing this anaemic, tbh lazy, present day version of him I'm going to have to keep hammering him on here. He's not the only one that needs to rediscover that bit of sparkle and hunger, but he's possibly the most crucial one.

Hard to disagree with that. He’s looking like Pavlyuchenko right now, and it’s hurting us. I can’t even think why, he’s a young, fit, gifted footballer, so either his attitude has gone south or the manager has developed him/ is using him poorly. Probably a combination of all of that, but the same end result.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

It’s a lot harder for him when Son and Moura and sometimes Lamela are stood on his toes. They needed to drag players out wide. Get the ball worked into Kane with a yard of space. For me they didn’t play smart.

 

[fletch82]

I think Harry's biggest problem is he is trying to be like a Ronaldo messi type player.
He listened to all those no mark has been sky wank rags saying yeah but he doesn't assist much and all he does is score goals and has been determined to prove them wrong.
It's not working but it's not in his nature to give up trying.
He is no longer playing as a striker he is in dm, cm right back left back the wings in fact 70% of the game he is anywhere but up top doing what he did best.

Stick to being a number 9 harry it's what you do best possibly better than any other player in the world.

 

[Haddock]

Lloris may have the armband but Kane is and have been our leader on the pitch for years. He's our highest paid player and he's now a seasoned veteran.

Yes of course the delivery dictates the amount of goals s striker scores but Kane can't be immune to critique because he's English and one of our own. Just as @mpickard2087 points out, Kane's work rate and overall influence on the team hasn't been consistently good for a long time.

He's had the odd flash of brilliance in individual matches similarly to Eriksen but that feeling of Kane completely dominating defenders and leading the line just isn't there at the moment.

Still love him and all that but he needs to step it up. A team where your best player isn't looking as your best player isn't a healthy team.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

I think Harry's biggest problem is he is trying to be like a Ronaldo messi type player.
He listened to all those no mark has been sky wank rags saying yeah but he doesn't assist much and all he does is score goals and has been determined to prove them wrong.
It's not working but it's not in his nature to give up trying.
He is no longer playing as a striker he is in dim, cm right back left back the wings in fact 70% of the game he is anywhere but up top doing what he did best.

Stick to being a number 9 harry it's what you do best possibly better than any other player in the world.

He can’t be a number 9 when we’re trying to create chances with our CB’s from 25 yards out. There’s absolutely no room for him or Son to do anything. Harry might as well of been at a tennis match today just watching everything go side to side

 

[fletch82]

He can’t be a number 9 when we’re trying to create chances with our CB’s from 25 yards out. There’s absolutely no room for him or Son to do anything. Harry might as well of been at a tennis match today just watching everything go side to side

Then it's down to the manager to play to his strengths and tell him to do your job and trust your team mates to do theirs
Stop trying to do everyone else's job for them push son and moura wider at times to stretch the back line
Work a system so our full backs are creating width.
Play midfielder's who can string a through ball instead of being one paced metronome,s or get players running at opposition back lines.
Whatever it is harry is not playing the same game that made him lethal.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Was just about to bump this one myself, because I cant hold my tongue any longer. People like to discuss the easy targets when someone like this is where the spotlight needs to fall because he's a shining example of the drop in standards.

The decline in his workrate in the last 3 years has been steady and he's now at disgraceful levels in my opinion. There is no question he's a supremely talented footballer/goalscorer and a lot of fans might be happy with a goal a game from a handful of involvements where he suddenly turns it on but we're increasingly seeing in recent months that's not enough overall to help us win a game.

He's not leading the line. He's not leading the press. He's got no energy. He doesn't work his bollocks off anymore for the cause. We get dubious selections/formations so Moura can 'do the running up front'. The guy is, deservedly, an integral part of the team. Maybe the integral part. But he shouldn't be untouchable and we should ask questions. When we're asking what's going wrong and why Poch's approach to football is seemingly not presently being carried out/working, look at the main components rather than the easy ones I say.......

As I've said before, I want that 2014-16 version of him back that put it all on the line. That means he probably plays only like 40 games a season rather than 60+, eventually the club might work out that's for his benefit.... But I want to see a bit fire back in his belly. Whisper it, but no matter what the goals stats look like, I don't particularly enjoy watching this version of him. And as I also said over the summer, if I keep seeing this anaemic, tbh lazy, present day version of him I'm going to have to keep hammering him on here. He's not the only one that needs to rediscover that bit of sparkle and hunger, but he's possibly the most crucial one.

1000% agree.

He also paid 3x some of our players in the squad, and this version of him is not earning that fully.

 

[CowInAComa]

We talk about Kane purely as a clinical goal scorer these days. Or more damning a lethal penalty taker.

He used to be so much more, a total bull up front, uncontainable, and I remember also pretty much man of the match every game. Guardiola christened us the Harry Kane team he was so dominant ffs.


I'd like that guy back please. Missing since 2017.

 

[rossdapep]

It’s a lot harder for him when Son and Moura and sometimes Lamela are stood on his toes. They needed to drag players out wide. Get the ball worked into Kane with a yard of space. For me they didn’t play smart.

I'm gunna get pelters for this but how many times has Kane been hot with Moura on the pitch at the same time?

I've been thinking it for a while but the balance is not right. Kane, Alli and Eriksen was deadly, add Son and I felt we had all the tools. Since Lucas has joined we've barely managed to match those performances.

I love Lucas as a player and his attitude but I really feel that he's too individualistic and not completely in rhythm. It's stifling Kane and the fluidity we had.

 

[chinaman]

I think playing for England where he has to assume a new role just to accommodate Sterling has dulled his instinct upfront.Dropping deep does not require the sudden burst he used to have when he was solely responsible for goal-scoring. If we want to see the old Kane who was unique and a rare talent, we'll have to play him as he used to be pronto. The longer heis played as a general purpose forward, the more he'll lose his alertness in front of goal and there'll come a time when he is so used to prodding about that it would be impossible to regain his former style.

 

[thePessimist]

I'm gunna get pelters for this but how many times has Kane been hot with Moura on the pitch at the same time?

I've been thinking it for a while but the balance is not right. Kane, Alli and Eriksen was deadly, add Son and I felt we had all the tools. Since Lucas has joined we've barely managed to match those performances.

I love Lucas as a player and his attitude but I really feel that he's too individualistic and not completely in rhythm. It's stifling Kane and the fluidity we had.

i got murdered from saying something similar a while back. moura is not a very intelligent player. Very hot and cold

 

[wrd]

Was just about to bump this one myself, because I cant hold my tongue any longer. People like to discuss the easy targets when someone like this is where the spotlight needs to fall because he's a shining example of the drop in standards.

The decline in his workrate in the last 3 years has been steady and he's now at disgraceful levels in my opinion. There is no question he's a supremely talented footballer/goalscorer and a lot of fans might be happy with a goal a game from a handful of involvements where he suddenly turns it on but we're increasingly seeing in recent months that's not enough overall to help us win a game.

He's not leading the line. He's not leading the press. He's got no energy. He doesn't work his bollocks off anymore for the cause. We get dubious selections/formations so Moura can 'do the running up front'. The guy is, deservedly, an integral part of the team. Maybe the integral part. But he shouldn't be untouchable and we should ask questions. When we're asking what's going wrong and why Poch's approach to football is seemingly not presently being carried out/working, look at the main components rather than the easy ones I say.......

As I've said before, I want that 2014-16 version of him back that put it all on the line. That means he probably plays only like 40 games a season rather than 60+, eventually the club might work out that's for his benefit.... But I want to see a bit fire back in his belly. Whisper it, but no matter what the goals stats look like, I don't particularly enjoy watching this version of him. And as I also said over the summer, if I keep seeing this anaemic, tbh lazy, present day version of him I'm going to have to keep hammering him on here. He's not the only one that needs to rediscover that bit of sparkle and hunger, but he's possibly the most crucial one.

To an extent I like the fact that he has learnt to preserve his energy a little better but he needs to find the balance, he needs to use his experience to pick the right moments to expel that energy. Today he looked like he didn't have any. You're right in that Poch has seemingly made him look untouchable and that needs to change. Poch needs to show he has a willingness to drop him. Pep can drop Aguero and KDB.

 

[Hakkz]

Something needs to happen very soon. Kane needs to work harder and the tactic must be tailored to get him more chances.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Sorry but I completely disagree, I see where you’re coming from but taking Kane out the team takes 20-25 goals away

Exactly spot on. Ludicrous suggestion to say to drop him lol. The key is actually getting him some decent service again.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We talk about Kane purely as a clinical goal scorer these days. Or more damning a lethal penalty taker.

He used to be so much more, a total bull up front, uncontainable, and I remember also pretty much man of the match every game. Guardiola christened us the Harry Kane team he was so dominant ffs.


I'd like that guy back please. Missing since 2017.

Agree with this. His work rate has dropped off massively in the past few seasons. Everyone tries to make excuses with him citing injury, fatigue, tactics etc... but he simply doesn’t offer the team the same movement, workrate, thrust etc.. that he did and it’s effecting us as much as any other element right now.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Agree with this. His work rate has dropped off massively in the past few seasons. Everyone tries to make excuses with him citing injury, fatigue, tactics etc... but he simply doesn’t offer the team the same movement, workrate, thrust etc.. that he did and it’s effecting us as much as any other element right now.

Could be because of his ankle injuries and he’s purposefully trying not to go gung ho into tackles etc now? Ever thought about that?

 

[rossdapep]

Peak Kane

Dier Dembele
Alli Eriksen
Kane

or

Wanyama Dembele
Alli Eriksen Son
Kane

Poch needs to start thinking about how he can get the best out of Kane, not how to fit Lucas or Son in. Replicate what we had before.

 

[Hakkz]

Agree with this. His work rate has dropped off massively in the past few seasons. Everyone tries to make excuses with him citing injury, fatigue, tactics etc... but he simply doesn’t offer the team the same movement, workrate, thrust etc.. that he did and it’s effecting us as much as any other element right now.

Maybe his ambition has dropped a bit now that he has worked his way to the top of our team? Used to be so hungry and energetic when he broke through.