Harry Kane

[Japhet]

I actually feel sorry for him now, he clearly wants to stay and me the legend of legends , but with baldys ambiiton he will never be able to do it it’s sad very sad, respect harry but his got to to to Utd now just to win something he deserves it

United have had a decent half season under Ten Hag. before that they've been hit and miss for years. They could easily drop off again. Nothing guaranteed there.

 

[PCozzie]

Yes, but that's not the choice he's making though.
He's not going to win anything at Spurs- the club isn't set up for winning trophies.
The choice is move elsewhere and possibly/ probably win something
OR stay at Spurs and see out your career loved by fans but never winning a trophy.
I know what choice I'd make if I were him.

This misses my point. It's not a question of whether Kane moves to win a trophy - it's blindingly obvious he could have his choice of trophy at any of the top clubs across Europe. It's whether, in making the decision to stay or go, after all the blood, sweat and tears of ten years at Spurs, he considers it a greater achievement to stay and win an FA cup here, or move and fill his shelf up with silver on the back of successful squads built by others, for fan bases that - up until the very moment he joined - couldn't stand him.

In 30 years when he's telling his grandkids about his career, would that one trophy have genuine meaning?

In your words, I know what choice I'd make if I were him.

 

[thelak]

This misses my point. It's not a question of whether Kane moves to win a trophy - it's blindingly obvious he could have his choice of trophy at any of the top clubs across Europe. It's whether, in making the decision to stay or go, after all the blood, sweat and tears of ten years at Spurs, he considers it a greater achievement to stay and win an FA cup here, or move and fill his shelf up with silver on the back of successful squads built by others, for fan bases that - up until the very moment he joined - couldn't stand him.

In 30 years when he's telling his grandkids about his career, would that one trophy have genuine meaning?

In your words, I know what choice I'd make if I were him.

Are we going to win a trophy here though

we keep getting knocked out by dross teams in the cups year in year out

 

[spurs mental]

Let’s tell teddy , carrick and berba that shall we

How do you cope with actual life when you're this negative all the time?

 

[hooty]

United have had a decent half season under Ten Hag. before that they've been hit and miss for years. They could easily drop off again. Nothing guaranteed there.

United's hit and miss last decade would have counted as among our most successful decades though?

 

[barry]

The only place that can pretty much guarantee a trophy in England is City. The only real option he has to move to is Utd but they really aren’t that good.

This is what I don't get. Go online and these arrogant twunts are saying he has to go to United to win trophies. This ain't Fergie's United, this team ain't guaranteed shit.

 

[Japhet]

United's hit and miss last decade would have counted as among our most successful decades though?

Absolutely, but it's about the future and theirs' is still hit and miss.

 

[PCozzie]

Are we going to win a trophy here though

we keep getting knocked out by dross teams in the cups year in year out

I know it's fashionable to be somewhat down on the club and it's hard to see where the silverware is going to come from, but I don't image that Wigan fans were eyeing up where to watch their FA Cup open top bus parade at the start of that season, and Leicester fans were definitely more concerned about which League 1 ground they were going to be visiting the following year when they won the title.

 

[faymantaray]

There is something to be said for staying loyal to your boyhood team but the club is so dislikable, directionless and inept at the moment that I would fuck off to Madrid ASAP.

 

[hooty]

Absolutely, but it's about the future and theirs' is still hit and miss.

But everyone's is potentially hit and miss though? Is it more hit and miss than ours?

Based on a sample size of the last year, 5 years, 10 years or 20, which club is more likely to win trophies over the next 1, 5, 10 or 20 years?

 

[Westmorlandspur]

United have been nowhere near winning the league or champ lge since Fergie went 10 yrs ago.
finished 2nd under Mourinho and Solksjaer but we’re never in contention to win it.
when he broke the England record you could see how important these things are to him.
48 goals to beat Shearer. That’s 2 decent seasons or 3 below average ones.
he averages 23 pl goals per season over the last 8 seasons.
if he doesn’t go this season ,United will have bought a top centre forward this summer and will they want him, even on a free. Harry won’t want to sit on a bench for part of the season. Will he even be on pens.
just stop with us, win an fa cup and break the record.
when you think of Shearer it is all about the record. Most people won’t even know he won a lge with Blackburn. Scored over 40% of his prem lge goals for Blackburn.
if he gets the record he will hold it for a very long time. The only player I could see challenging was Mason Greenwood who was banging goals in at 18/19 yrs. no chance of that now.
no one else on the horizon apart from Haaland. He won’t do it because he won’t be here long enough.
Real Madrid or City…no competition really. Especially as Pep will be gone in a couple of yrs.

 

[hooty]

I know it's fashionable to be somewhat down on the club and it's hard to see where the silverware is going to come from, but I don't image that Wigan fans were eyeing up where to watch their FA Cup open top bus parade at the start of that season, and Leicester fans were definitely more concerned about which League 1 ground they were going to be visiting the following year when they won the title.

It's fashionable because it's been a pretty obvious downward trajectory over the past 5 years on the pitch and with multiple very strange decisions off it.

 

[hooty]

They all left for a dominant utd team. The only dominant team is city. They don't need him.

Berbatov has told him to stay.

I've just read Berbatov's comments and he doesn't quite say that. He said he needs to be careful not to tarnish his legacy at Spurs but also mentioned that it is important for him to win something before he has finished his career and he therefore needs to decide what is important to him.

Its also in the context of him saying we're probably going to win something at some point....which is factually true but as for how likely that is in the rest of Kane's career with us, I'm increasingly skeptical.

 

[PCozzie]

It's fashionable because it's been a pretty obvious downward trajectory over the past 5 years on the pitch and with multiple very strange decisions off it.

Don't disagree. But the notion that Kane winning any kind of silverware with us if he stays being impossible is (mostly) just an expression of frustration from us, and almost like we're preparing the landing ground for our own disappointment if he leaves.

We had two really good opportunities this year and lost them both because we disrespected the teams we played (Forest, Sheff Utd). The draw was kind, and we might well have been playing this afternoon for that FA Cup, even in this, one of the worst seasons we've had in 20 years.

 

[djhotspur]

the Madrid thing is a bit worrying. I don’t think they’d stump up what Levy would want though.

Perhapswe can exploit the special relationship to take a couple of their baby galacticos in part ex?

They probably would. They paid huge money for touchemeni etc. They have been pretty careful with how they have spent the last 5-6 years so I bet there is money there.

 

[djhotspur]

Don't disagree. But the notion that Kane winning any kind of silverware with us if he stays being impossible is (mostly) just an expression of frustration from us, and almost like we're preparing the landing ground for our own disappointment if he leaves.

We had two really good opportunities this year and lost them both because we disrespected the teams we played (Forest, Sheff Utd). The draw was kind, and we might well have been playing this afternoon for that FA Cup, even in this, one of the worst seasons we've had in 20 years.

Worst part about it is next season if we can just bloody get our act together and sign maddison, Laporte, raya, have the manager do well and focus on the cups we can really go for it and have a great chance at winning stuff like you say.
But we all know we won’t do any of that

 

[djhotspur]

United have had a decent half season under Ten Hag. before that they've been hit and miss for years. They could easily drop off again. Nothing guaranteed there.

Yeah but they are in for very very smart and good signings. If they pull them off they will be looking very strong next season, throw in Kane to that and he scores 30 in the league for them they will 100% be close to a title

 

[hooty]

Don't disagree. But the notion that Kane winning any kind of silverware with us if he stays being impossible is (mostly) just an expression of frustration from us, and almost like we're preparing the landing ground for our own disappointment if he leaves.

We had two really good opportunities this year and lost them both because we disrespected the teams we played (Forest, Sheff Utd). The draw was kind, and we might well have been playing this afternoon for that FA Cup, even in this, one of the worst seasons we've had in 20 years.

That's fair to say if it happens once for instance? Or twice? Or even 3 times. Its happened again and again and again though, across many different managers and across many different sets of players.

I feel like we have this conversation so often. If only x or y had happened, then we'd be in with a shout of a trophy. How often have we been knocked out by these crap teams?

I imagine the club's attitude at times towards the domestic cups has been borne from decisions higher up and its filtered down to the fans as well, some of whom now hilariously turn their noses up at the FA/EFL/UEFA cups, even though we barely win anything.

I think Levy has beaten some of the fanbase into submission, including myself.

 

[thelak]

I know it's fashionable to be somewhat down on the club and it's hard to see where the silverware is going to come from, but I don't image that Wigan fans were eyeing up where to watch their FA Cup open top bus parade at the start of that season, and Leicester fans were definitely more concerned about which League 1 ground they were going to be visiting the following year when they won the title.

It’s not fashinable to be down on the club

The reason to be down on the club is based on cold hard facts

Bringing Wigan into the argument is ridiculous given they are now in freefall down the leagues

This club should be set up to have chance of success year in year year out with a good probability at the outset

Not a once in a lifetime win based on all the cards falling their way

Kane needs to believe at the outset that we are set up to win….not stick around hoping for some streaky lucky plucky underdog run that wins us a cup

 

[thelak]

Don't disagree. But the notion that Kane winning any kind of silverware with us if he stays being impossible is (mostly) just an expression of frustration from us, and almost like we're preparing the landing ground for our own disappointment if he leaves.

We had two really good opportunities this year and lost them both because we disrespected the teams we played (Forest, Sheff Utd). The draw was kind, and we might well have been playing this afternoon for that FA Cup, even in this, one of the worst seasons we've had in 20 years.

coulda woulda shoulda

what does it say about the culture of the club that we disrespected these two teams

why should an elite sportsman want to be a part of that unless it’s really going to change