Harry Admits He Was Indecisive During Transfer Window

[SPURS_F@N]

Yeah AG i dismiss your argument because your saying harry must have felt he wasn't right. Yet he said he was a good signing when asked.

 

[Kendall]

None of whom comes close to Suarez in this respect, as you'd know if you'd actually watched him. But then, you're a Joey Barton fan, aren't you?

Nani too, who isn't great. They may be dirty cheaters, but they're in the CL every year and chellenging for the title every year. I'll have a bit of that.

I am a fan of Joey. Especially when he's playing like he is this year, but you won't be able to watch him objectively because his past clouds your judgement. I especially like it when he's man of the match after inspiring his team to come back form 4-0 down against the goons. That's real leadership and bottle from the man.

What can I say? I have loose morals.

 

[AngerManagement]

Bit of an elitist view of our league no? Apart from the top 5/6 teams who have international defenders the rest of the teams in the league probably have defenders on par or not as good as the teams in a 'weaker' dutch league.

Tevez was unproven when he came over with Mascherano. He wasnt great till the second half of the season if memory serves. He came from the Brazillian League, last time i checked they are not flush with international defenders.
Buying proven Premiership players hasnt been a major success for us yet. its still a 50/50, same as buying from abroad or using youth.
Prem Players
Not Worked (IMO)
Bentley
Bent
Keane (2nd time round)
Defoe(2nd time round)
Chimbonda

Debatable (IMO)
Crouch
Krunchie
Bassong
Jenas

Worked (IMO)
Lennon
Woodgate
Palacious
Corluka
Gallas

"unproven"
Worked (IMO)
BAE
Modric
VDV
Bale
Dawson
Huddlestone
Gomes

Debatable/Not Worked(IMO)

Hutton
Pav
Dos Santos
Sandro

Anyway people have their own view on things and Suarez will be debated for a while yet. Like was said only time will tell if we mucked up.

I don't know if you have misunderstood me or if not quite why you have listed all the players we have signed in recent times because I never said we should only sign proven PL players, nor did I say we shouldn't have bought Suarez.

Just that now he has signed for Liverpool we do not know for sure we have made a huge error not signing him ourselves for the reasons I have listed.

I don't think it is elitist to say the standard and style of PL defending on a whole is more demanding on strikers than that in the Dutch league. The vast sums of money generated by all clubs and spent on players across the board makes for tougher opponents on the whole.

The pace of the Premier league alone makes it much harder for strikers, from games I have seen time on the ball is far greater in the Dutch league and considerably less pressure placed on strikers match to match.

I thought it was pretty much accepted as fact that the Dutch league was considerably weaker than the PL, performance of the respective teams in European's competition certainly suggests our league is stronger and the sums spent in transfer fees (the fact that most the best players in the Dutch league are exported out while the EPL is largely a buying league)

 

[Matrix]

I would say he can play anywhere along the front 3. LW RW ST. If anything he would fit right in our system easier then VDV.

I find it funny people are all for Forlan, a player who failed in the Prem. Why is again up for debate. But he would occupy the similar area to VDV. Yet he would fit into our system? Where as Suarez would not fit in as he would play in the same area as VDV?

Redknapp would have his reasons why not to commit, let hope he gets proved right.

 

[SPURS_F@N]

Anyone that has a life size bronze statue of himself in his house can stay the fuck away from WHL!

Not a barton fan myself but there's no one better with a dead ball at the moment.

 

[AngerManagement]

Yeah AG i dismiss your argument because your saying harry must have felt he wasn't right. Yet he said he was a good signing when asked.

and you just said yourself that harry contradicts himself, which means things harry says to the media do not always reflect his true feelings on any given subject.

So how can you, after stating yourself that what Harry says to the media my not be an accurate reflection of his real opinion then use something you claim he has said to the media as evidence for anything?

Surely you are contradicting yourself now and your points are becoming less and less relevant.

 

[SPURS_F@N]

Because he doesn't lie. He may have contradicted himself saying 2 different players were the signing of the window, but it doesn't change the fact he said he was a good signing and good player.

 

[SpurSince57]

Bit of an elitist view of our league no? Apart from the top 5/6 teams who have international defenders the rest of the teams in the league probably have defenders on par or not as good as the teams in a 'weaker' dutch league.

Tevez was unproven when he came over with Mascherano. He wasnt great till the second half of the season if memory serves. He came from the Brazillian League, last time i checked they are not flush with international defenders.
Buying proven Premiership players hasnt been a major success for us yet. its still a 50/50, same as buying from abroad or using youth.
Prem Players
Not Worked (IMO)
Bentley
Bent
Keane (2nd time round)
Defoe(2nd time round)
Chimbonda

Debatable (IMO)
Crouch
Krunchie
Bassong
Jenas

Worked (IMO)
Lennon
Woodgate
Palacious
Corluka
Gallas

"unproven"
Worked (IMO)
BAE
Modric
VDV
Bale
Dawson
Huddlestone
Gomes

Debatable/Not Worked(IMO)

Hutton
Pav
Dos Santos
Sandro

Anyway people have their own view on things and Suarez will be debated for a while yet. Like was said only time will tell if we mucked up.

Some—indeed most—of these players cost peanuts compared to Suarez, let alone Carroll or our Rossi offer. I'm not sure how you can put Bent into the 'Not Worked' category, either, as there wasn't a great deal wrong with his goal return.

I'm not at all convinced by Harry's statement that Suarez would only duplicate VdV; anyone who's watched Suarez will tell you that's bollocks. I'll tell you it's bollocks. But it would have been his neck on the line if we'd blown £20m+ on Suarez and he'd flopped, not mine or yours.

 

[Matrix]

I don't know if you have misunderstood me or if not quite why you have listed all the players we have signed in recent times because I never said we should only sign proven PL players, nor did I say we shouldn't have bought Suarez.

Just that now he has signed for Liverpool we do not know for sure we have made a huge error not signing him ourselves for the reasons I have listed.

I don't think it is elitist to say the standard and style of PL defending on a whole is more demanding on strikers than that in the Dutch league. The vast sums of money generated by all clubs and spent on players across the board makes for tougher opponents on the whole.

The pace of the Premier league alone makes it much harder for strikers, from games I have seen time on the ball is far greater in the Dutch league and considerably less pressure placed on strikers match to match.

I thought it was pretty much accepted as fact that the Dutch league was considerably weaker than the PL, performance of the respective teams in European's competition certainly suggests our league is stronger and the sums spent in transfer fees (the fact that most the best players in the Dutch league are exported out while the EPL is largely a buying league)

Im just saying its impossible to say who will succeed or fail depending on what league or background the player has. Suarez has the same chance as failing or succeeding in the Prem as Alex-Ox-Chaimberlain, Darren Bent @ Villa or Torres@ Chelsea.
People cannot judge if a player will fail on the pure basis of the league they come from. There are too many variables which could launch and kill a players career in the Prem.

 

[brett.spurs]

If Harry's asked about a Liverpool signing he's hardly going to turn around and say "Yeah, I know about him, he's a bit shit though" is he? :roll:

 

[SPURS_F@N]

Im just saying its impossible to say who will succeed or fail depending on what league or background the player has. Suarez has the same chance as failing or succeeding in the Prem as Alex-Ox-Chaimberlain, Darren Bent @ Villa or Torres@ Chelsea.
People cannot judge if a player will fail on the pure basis of the league they come from. There are too many variables which could launch and kill a players career in the Prem.

Agreed.

 

[AngerManagement]

Im just saying its impossible to say who will succeed or fail depending on what league or background the player has. Suarez has the same chance as failing or succeeding in the Prem as Alex-Ox-Chaimberlain, Darren Bent @ Villa or Torres@ Chelsea.
People cannot judge if a player will fail on the pure basis of the league they come from. There are too many variables which could launch and kill a players career in the Prem.

Which was my entire point in the first place. (it would seem you never read my initial post and have misinterpreted my points by seeing my latter posts that were on something of a tangent based on replies to other posts.)

I never said we weren't wrong to sign Suarez, I wanted us to sign him during the transfer window and was somewhat disappointed we didn't when Liverpool won the race (although I understood the price he went for represented a fairly large gamble)

I never said we shouldn't sign players from abroad. My whole point was that now Suarez has signed for Liverpool to start ranted about missing out on him being a huge error based on one game for Liverpool (even if he did score) is far too soon to proclaim him as the new Tevez.

 

[Matrix]

Some—indeed most—of these players cost peanuts compared to Suarez, let alone Carroll or our Rossi offer. I'm not sure how you can put Bent into the 'Not Worked' category, either, as there wasn't a great deal wrong with his goal return.

I'm not at all convinced by Harry's statement that Suarez would only duplicate VdV; anyone who's watched Suarez will tell you that's bollocks. I'll tell you it's bollocks. But it would have been his neck on the line if we'd blown £20m+ on Suarez and he'd flopped, not mine or yours.

Yes Bents goal return was good but he didnt work out for him @ THFC at that time IMO, hence hes gone. Hes always been a top striker in the Prem.

I know thats bollocks as i have posted.

Are not all players a risk though? Regardless of 20M to 3M, unless they are free its all a risk.
If we continue to buy safe will we ever kick on? Just a though.

 

[AngerManagement]

Agreed.

why are you agreeing with him when he is saying the very same thing I said to you earlier which you disagreed with?

The point I made was it is far too soon for you to say he is obviously going to be a success as there are many factors involved a players ability to perform in a new league.

You dismiss my comment then agree with this even though the essence of the post is identical. :roll:

 

[Matrix]

Which was my entire point in the first place. (it would seem you never read my initial post and have misinterpreted my points by seeing my latter posts that were on something of a tangent based on replies to other posts.)

I never said we weren't wrong to sign Suarez, I wanted us to sign him during the transfer window and was somewhat disappointed we didn't when Liverpool won the race (although I understood the price he went for represented a fairly large gamble)

I never said we shouldn't sign players from abroad. My whole point was that now Suarez has signed for Liverpool to start ranted about missing out on him being a huge error based on one game for Liverpool (even if he did score) is far too soon to proclaim him as the new Tevez.

I admit i did not read the whole thing....

Looks like we were reading off the same page!

 

[Essexyido33]

Evening gents just been reading through some of the post's on here about the last transfer window, was reading this earlier and didn't think it would be relevant until now, this was taken from an article on suarez. Just a couple of paragraphs after reading this I am thinking do we really want players like this at spurs.

Liverpool's new £22.8million striker became a football outcast last summer when his instinctive decision to punch Dominic Adiyiah's goal-bound effort off the line in the last-minute of a World Cup quarter-final enabled Uruguay to advance after a penalty shoot-out

Then two months ago, the "Hand of the Devil" became "The Cannibal of Ajax" when Suarez was caught sickeningly sinking his teeth into the shoulder of PSV Eindhoven's Otman Bakaal. :think:

 

[SPURS_F@N]

If Harry's asked about a Liverpool signing he's hardly going to turn around and say "Yeah, I know about him, he's a bit shit though" is he?

Good point, but he's honest to the media, and I believe what he's said about saurez was genuine.

 

[SPURS_F@N]

Originally Posted by SPURS_F@N
Agreed.
why are you agreeing with him when he is saying the very same thing I said to you earlier which you disagreed with?

The point I made was it is far too soon for you to say he is obviously going to be a success as there are many factors involved a players ability to perform in a new league.

You dismiss my comment then agree with this even though the essence of the post is identical.

FFS lol. I agree with what matrix said about it not being cut and dry. Its not mathematical science that a player from a weaker foreign league will not be as successful as a player from a stronger foreign league. Many other factors are involved.

You're arguing the fact that suarez wasn't a good signing lol We dont agree, end of story.

 

[Jaispurs]

Yeah Harry is shit.

Who actually spent money this January?

City £27m
Chavs £70m
Villa £24m

Liverpool just spent the money they got in for Torres. We wanted both Suarez and Carroll but for £55m for the pair? Come on

Bent - £24m - nah

Dzeko - can't match City's wages of £180k a week

What more can we do? Did Spanish teams spend any money? No.
Did German teams spend any money? No
Italian ? No

The players we were supposedly after didn't want to come Rossi, Aguero and Llorente all signed new contracts.

Summer is the time.

We are 2/3 through the season on 44 points. Replicate that and we finish on 66 points our 2nd highest points tally since the EPL began and you lot are complaining? Get real, understand who we are and what we are to the rest of the world. We are a growing force and will do well in the Prem league this year. Lowest we will finish is 5th which made Jol a hero.
Understand how good we are and stop your bloody moaning. You give Spurs fans a bad name

 

[AngerManagement]

FFS lol. I agree with what matrix said about it not being cut and dry. Its not mathematical science that a player from a weaker foreign league will not be as successful as a player from a stronger foreign league. Many other factors are involved.

You're arguing the fact that suarez wasn't a good signing lol We dont agree, end of story.

When did I argue the fact that Suarez wasn't a good signing? maybe you should read what people post before you reply to them. I said it was not cut and dry that he would be a success in opposition to your saying after one game it was obvious he will be class.

So you disagreed with my saying it is not cut and dry whether he will be a success yet proceeded to agree with matrix when he made the very same assessment.

I never said being from a weaker league was any indication that said player could not succeed in our own league, merely that one game is not enough to determine he will be a success and we made a mistake nor is his record in a weaker league.

By definition, if it is not an exact science that someone from a weaker league will or won't succeed then his record can't be used as evidence to say already he certainly will be a success like he claimed.

You have either confused yourself or you never actually read what I wrote in the first place and just wanted to argue silly points with no merits.