Tucker
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They may love him now, and sure he does a job, but I doubt they’d have signed him at all if he hadn’t been homegrown.
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They may love him now, and sure he does a job, but I doubt they’d have signed him at all if he hadn’t been homegrown.
Tucker
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Chelsea have done it plenty of times themselves in the past. Let’s not forget they signed Scott Parker and stuck him on the bench, ditto Danny Drinkwater, and to a lesser extent Ross Barkley.
I’d imagine Maguire comes in to replace Stones, but my point isn’t a criticism of City, more the HG rules that have put a much higher price on English players and at times stifled their progress. Parker could have run the England midfield for years if he had gone somewhere where he’d get regular football instead of Chelsea, in the end he worked hard enough to blossom later in his career. Whereas Scott Sinclair signed for a City team he had no chance of breaking into and ended up at Celtic in relative obscurity.
You end up with players that would otherwise be the star man for a premier league side being a bit part player somewhere with money, imo that harms the England team rather than helps young English players get a chance.
Marty
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I'm so unconvinced by Stones, because he doesn't show any signs of learning from his mistakes. His calmness in possession becomes complacency far too easily, as we saw in the Nations League games. I think there's a reason he didn't play much in City's run-in, I don't think Pep trusts him.
If Otamendi also leaves they bring Maguire in to partner Laporte and have Stones as first backup. Surely they need one more?
Shadydan
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Stones is getting canned for his performances in the NL but in his defence he's used to giving the ball to the midfielders under pressure and them being comfortable with the ball, Maguire was also made to look bad as well although he wasn't the one caught on the ball - point is that you have to look at Southgate if he's preaching playing out from the back it's all well and good having defenders comfortable on the ball but when you don't have midfielders showing for the ball then mistakes will happen.
I think Pep does trust him but he simply had Laporte who was one of the best defenders in the league last season and Kompany who is captain ahead of him so it's unfair to judge him on that, they speak really highly of him in that documentary.
Cornpattbuck
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Wan-Bissaka to United pretty much confirmed in a deal "worth" £50m: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48770843
tooey
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I'd be interested to know how much it is upfront, not including addons because 50m off the back of 1 good season is steep, even in this climate.
'O Zio
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Agree. I don't think quotas like that ever really work to be honest, but if the purpose of it was to give more gametime to English players, then they should've made the quota relate to the starting 11, not the 25-man squad. The current system achieves nothing for the national team and actually stifles the development of a lot of players because they get signed for inflated fees by a Chelsea/City type only to then never be heard from again or it just inflates the prices of English players so much that only the rich teams can afford the half-decent ones.
Marty
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Palace were said to be holding out for £70m before the U21 Euros. One bad game and they are happy to accept £20m less?
'O Zio
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The hype around Stones was always ridiculous. He basically did a Cruyff turn once and it came off for him, and all of a sudden was being talked about like he was basically a younger Rio Ferdinand crossed with Lionel Messi. Since that one successful Cruyff turn he's tried it umpteen times and given the ball away in dangerous areas. He's not particularly impressive as a defender, not anywhere near as good on the ball as people seem to make out, and doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes as you say. I know plenty on here seem to rate him but I've never ever been convinced by him whatsoever. He's just been dining out on a couple of months of hype 3 years ago
Marty
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I don't want to be quite that harsh on him as he has bags of natural ability both as a defender and on the ball, and I can certainly see why Pep wanted/wants ideally to have Stones and Laporte as his first choice CBs. With Stones I think it's all in his head, he does stupid things far too regularly and doesn't seem to realise what he's doing wrong or try to stop those things from happening. That's why Pep dropped him after City's (by their standards) poor spell over Christmas and New Year.
'O Zio
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He's got ability, but he's never has anything like as much ability as is often made out.Like I say, to me he's had a short purple patch with a couple of good highlights, and that's now used as an example of his consistent level, but he rarely plays to that level in practice IMO. That's the exception, not the norm. And the mistakes/stupid decisions are something that you can somewhat forgive when he's a kid just breaking through, but the fact that he still gets caught out over and over for the same daft shit despite multiple managers telling him to stop faffing about indicates to me that he's just not got the intelligence to fulfil his obvious potential IMO. I'd be surprised if he's really ever anything more than a promising player who never quite got it. Same goes for Barkley, bags of talent but doesn't seem to have what it takes to make the most of it.
dirtyh
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45 + 5 allegedly.
NickHSpurs
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Looks like the wheels are turning and money is starting to move in the Prem now!
Insomnia
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He'll leave them short in a few areas though, imo
Armstrong_11
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Cillessen to Valencia has got me smiling. I really like him and always felt he was a waste on Barca's bench. i hope he gets his chances there.
Cornpattbuck
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Kovacovic to Chelsea for £40m. Weird signing: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48782683
Kingellesar
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Kinda feel Chelsea felt they had to sign him due to the transfer ban.
Showed no signs of being good enough for the prem last year.
Showed no signs of being good enough for the prem last year.
Shadydan
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£40m for a player who didn't score any goals last season.
