FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[dagraham]

Some insight into the dynamic within the club over the last few weeks:

Don’t have the time to watch that now, but is it something like this?

 

[hellava_tough]

Don’t have the time to watch that now, but is it something like this?

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Watch the first 15 minutes; it's surprisingly interesting

 

[Snarfalicious]

Ali Gold looks like he just did 4 months at Guantanamo Bay.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This is unfair - Martin Jol and Harry Redknapp played huge roles in getting us to the top 4

He didn’t pick Jol, Jol was an assistant manager who fell into the job after Santini resigned.

Redknapp had to be picked to save us from relegation, but yes levy did technically pick him.

Jol, Redknapp and Poch my 3 fave spurs managers of the last 20 years but levy only really picked 2 of them and even still we were so close to getting LVG instead of Poch.

Anyway Conte will be a game changer if so.

 

[chrissivad]

Jol didn't fall into the job.
Levy didn't think he was a big enough name for the fans, so was brought in as assistant with the plan he would take over.

Was just a much quicker transition

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Jol didn't fall into the job.
Levy didn't think he was a big enough name for the fans, so was brought in as assistant with the plan he would take over.

Was just a much quicker transition

Really?! never ever heard that before. Interesting, thanks for sharing.

 

[Serpico]

Hope everyone’s proud of themselves, Nuno back on the streets.

 

[chinaman]

He didn’t pick Jol, Jol was an assistant manager who fell into the job after Santini resigned.

Redknapp had to be picked to save us from relegation, but yes levy did technically pick him.

Jol, Redknapp and Poch my 3 fave spurs managers of the last 20 years but levy only really picked 2 of them and even still we were so close to getting LVG instead of Poch.

Anyway Conte will be a game changer if so.

There were talk about Joe Lewis picked Poch at the advice of his Argie associates.

 

[FITZ]

EXCLUSIVE: Boss has bigger office shock!

 

[Locotoro]

Really?! never ever heard that before. Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Arnesen wanted Jol, levy wanted santini. The compromise was Santini as #1 and Jol as #2.
When Santini walked Jol was in an nice place to pick up the pieces.

Another football decision that Levy initially got wrong...still he lasted longer than Nuno

 

[Guntz]

 

[YB123]

This is unfair - Martin Jol and Harry Redknapp played huge roles in getting us to the top 4

He got extremely lucky with both. Was reactive not proactive with both, as per.

 

[Montalbano]

Dodged a bullet by not whacking 50m on Traore...

Turns out Levy knows ball

 

[Nayim60yards]

Nobody really remembers or mentions Santini as our manager apart from to quickly say that Jol took over from him. I reckon Nuno will suffer the same fate. A mere footnote in our history as he kept the seat warm for Conte who we snared at the second attempt. Deservedly in my opinion as he didn't really leave us with anything indelible to remember. If he had beaten Chelsea or Arsenal as one of his five wins he would have had to be mentioned in future years, but he didn't. Boring football, boring bloke. Conte is the antithesis.

 

[piedpiper]

Dodged a bullet by not whacking 50m on Traore...

Came in to say exactly this. Would those who wanted him....even at £50 million still want him now? It's tricky giving players a manager wants early on. We'd be saddled with him now or he'd have prolonged Nunos exit.

 

[whitesocks]

He didn’t pick Jol, Jol was an assistant manager who fell into the job after Santini resigned.

Redknapp had to be picked to save us from relegation, but yes levy did technically pick him.

Jol, Redknapp and Poch my 3 fave spurs managers of the last 20 years but levy only really picked 2 of them and even still we were so close to getting LVG instead of Poch.

Anyway Conte will be a game changer if so.

I think it was Paul Kemsley, friend of Sugar and mike ashley and a director at the time, who heavily pushed for Redknapp. I can't think Levy was very keen at all, and probably just saw him as an interim manager.

Levy wanted van-gaal, not pochettino - meant to be Lewis' choice.
Jol was arnesen's choice.

Levy did select Hoddle as manager, and while he wasn't very successful, it was a very satisfying appointment. Full marks there.

 

[Armstrong_11]

glad we moved on quickly.

I really couldn't stand the team A and team B style any longer.

that's how I manage the team on Fifa to make sure their fitness is up.

i said this once and i will say it again... our players need to be fit enough to play 2 games a week. Tue/Wed and Sat, or Thu and Sun. you can change the wingers and the wide players, but the core has to remain for every game. we need to build momentum, not chop and change or play 2 teams.

 

[Armstrong_11]

*double post*

 

[bigfrooj]

Nobody really remembers or mentions Santini as our manager apart from to quickly say that Jol took over from him. I reckon Nuno will suffer the same fate. A mere footnote in our history as he kept the seat warm for Conte who we snared at the second attempt. Deservedly in my opinion as he didn't really leave us with anything indelible to remember. If he had beaten Chelsea or Arsenal as one of his five wins he would have had to be mentioned in future years, but he didn't. Boring football, boring bloke. Conte is the antithesis.

The win against Manchester City was thrilling and a great victory. A false dawn as it turned out but a very memorable game and day at the new stadium at full capacity.

 

[rez9000]

He's my penny's worth....

Nuno seems to be getting a hell of a lot of flak and criticism for the way we have been playing and he's been sacked after 10 league games. Having put up very gracefully with a summer of bullshit including Kane wanting to leave, Ndombele wanting out, not getting some players until late in the window. He dealt with having a silly injury list and having players "lost" to international breaks and covid restrictions.

Nuno gave every player in the squad a fair crack at the whip and many of them let him down big time. He set up the team to win (whilst being unattractive) and the fans complained, he changed the team to be more attacking and the performances improved but some of the results didnt (and the fans still complained). He gave opportunities to Scarlett, Nile John and other youth products.

He took a team that has been performing utter shite and ineffective under Poch's final months, utter shite and ineffective under Jose. and after 3 months of working with most of the players (likely less time with some of the others) the board and the fans have decided thats enough time to completely change the direction of this team performances and mentality despite several senior players calling out some of the squad over the last 18 months.

With all things being considered and I feel utterly disgusted by the way the club and the fans have treated Nuno. He never said a bad word of any player or the clubs conduct. He set up the team selection (most of the time) the same way many of us on here would and yet he still got blasted by fans for team selection (can anyone tell me they would have picked a different team bar Ndombele against United?). Fans never took to him as we had threads for Nuno out from day one.

I used to look at clubs like Chelsea and Watford that seemed to change their managers every season (whether they were successful or not) and think, I'm glad we're not like that and we give managers a bit of a chance.


We're that club

Sorry, Loco, but I'm not having that. I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree.

The fans are tangentially responsible for Nuno's sacking, but it was the chants of 'we want Levy out' that stung our chairman. It's also been reported that Paratici had run out of patience, with his reaction to Cavani's goal being to furiously walk down the tunnel when it happened in a towering rage.

The fans are not responsible for the piss-poor management that we've experienced under Levy. It was his decision-making that ultimately led to Nuno's appointment. It's unfortunate that Nuno was the fall guy, but it wasn't the fans that put him on that cliff-edge by appointing him, it was Levy.

And Nuno was a desperate man at the end, as evidenced by his roundly-derided substitution. The reason for his being so desperate was because he was never fit-for-purpose. He was what he was: an average manager who was expected by the club to overachieve to a degree unprecedented in football.

If I take my expensive car to a garage, expecting it to be put under the care of their top mechanic and they instead employ a trainee who promptly screws the thing up, I have every right to be angry at the garage. I can also be critical of the work the trainee did. I'm not criticising the trainee himself, but his work is fair game. And likewise, the work of the management of the garage who decided to employ the trainee to do the job in the first place.

We, the fans, are not responsible. Some of us have been a little harsh on Nuno, or have expressed disproportionate rage at him not achieving targets he isn't equipped to meet, but we didn't hire him and we certainly didn't fire him.