FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[taricco]

I don’t think I’ve ever asked myself this before, but (hold on, don’t shoot!), what would Chelsea do? As much as I hate them, when the football starts getting bad, they react. And then they spend for the right person. I’m not saying they are always correct, but let’s put it this way:

Conte, one of the Worlds best coaches, is currently unemployed.
So does Levy really have the ambition, and really want the club to move forward and compete, or is he happy where we are because he can then still sit at the top of our club?

We should be all over Conte right now, and giving him what he needs to turn us around. Chelsea sacked Frank, and went and got Tuchel, they then won the Champions League, and are competing for the League title this year.

Not a big Levy fan at the moment, but comparing us to Chelsea is just going to serve to wind yourself up. They are a billionaires plaything with no care about cash spent.

We are run as a business. But that doesn’t mean Levy doesn’t have options. For me our strategy has got to be about investing in slightly longer term projects, both in terms of player and manager.

The fact is that at the moment that from a player perspective there are some green shoots of trying to invest in young talent again. Nuno on the other hand is just poor strategy - he’s just a bad fit even as a project.

We would have been much better investing the time in someone like Potter or Parker. Someone with the right philosophy who may, in time, become the real thing. Exactly like Poch was.

 

[Betha]

Gattuso would have had us playing better than we are under Nuno. The main issue is we are demanding a style of play Nuno can’t coach. We would be better of letting Nuno set us counter attack like he did at wolves and to some degree how we beat Man City.

I'm not sure how much Napoli you watched over the 18 months he was there, but I pretty much watched every game. And, Gattuso is, unfotunately for Napoli, very similar to Nuno.

Last season, the league, was indeed very winnable for Napoli, but the team was very undercoached, and struggling with the exact same problems in having no clear identity or any pattern of play to rely on. The team where allowed to keep the ball a lot, simply because there was hardly any danger in letting them play. And with a few exeptions, the only times they actually looked good was when they where given a lot of space.

The number of times where Gattuso looked like the second best coach was alarming. And, he was outcoached and outsmarted regularly. He basically seems like a one-trick pony, who for a short time isable to motivate and build a basic organization for a good team in a bad position. When asked to expand from the basics he doesn't offer alot. Which is excactly the same as what happened in Milano.

The fact that Paratrici actually wanted Gattuso says quite a lot in my humble opinion. And not in a good way.

 

[Albertbarich]

He was clearly given a remit of finding a coach who was not attached to a club. One that would be cheap and not after a long contract.

Levy has been happy to pay coaches out of contracts in the past (Redknapp, Poch, Ramos). I believe he put feelers out to get Rodgers and Potter, then after realising that was going to be expensive, and considering the pandemic, combined with paying Jose off, he baulked and realised he needed help in bringing someone in.

If he is really waiting out on Poch, I think he'll be left with egg on his face. Poch was a wonder for this club and I really wish we were say here now with Poch having a Klopp-like stature at the club.

My worry is that Poch himself hasn't learnt from his mistakes. The book should never have been done and looked like someone was buying into himself a little too much, save that for when you retire or years down the road. The contradictions about players who have their eyes set on leaving have to be out the door, yet he did the same thing and expected players to continue following him.

Maybe, Levy's ways ground him down too much.

But I do know that the club don't get by if we are relying on Poch and Levy at the head of choosing players because they royally screwed that up between them. You have to have a sporting director who is buying particular players who fit the mould of what you are trying to do. If Poch doesn't want that then I fear we'll end up in a similar situation down the line.

Poch's best work was always improving the players who were already at the club and taking them to their peak. Other than Sonny and Toby, most of the other signings didn't get anywhere close to those levels - whether they were Poch's choices or not.

That scares me a little and I'd like to go down the Ten Hag, Potter, Gallardo or even Gerrard route because they are fresh, can all work with young squads (which is where we are heading) and under sporting directors

I think poch will end up at united

I reckon they will sack Ole and Fergie will encourage them to go for him and united will pay whatever PSG want.

 

[spursfan77]

He was only appointed because there was a week until preseason started and we had fucked up the managerial hiring process over the previous 2 months and he was out of work. There is no other reason he is here now.

 

[YB123]

Yesterday yes, you have to respect West Ham defensively who can hurt you on the break and from set pieces, they want teams to overcommit.

For me our forwards failed to take the very numerous chances they had.

Very Numerous? Our first shot on target was 43rd minute and then we didnt have a shot in the second half?

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Just to add some context, the guy narrating thinks the reason we aren’t creating anything is because Dele isn’t in the team.

 

[Jamturk]

Very Numerous? Our first shot on target was 43rd minute and then we didnt have a shot in the second half?

Does a shot have to be on target before any situation is called a chance?

 

[13VanDerBale13]

How in any way is this acceptable, he should be hounded out ASAP

 

[Ghost Hardware]

And if this is the case mate which I agree it could well be then this is why there is so much frustration right now because the fans can see that the club have yet again made mistakes and bad moves on the football side, its tiring and wasting our time, we want a team we can be proud of and we want to see a project we can get behind, right now we have neither, again.

Oh I am right there with you. I think the hardest thing for most of us is we are all swiftly coming to the realisation that essentially we have another waisted year of football ahead of us. That’s the cold hard truth. We are not going to achieve anything this season and there is a real fear we might not even make the next appointment right. There’s no optimism around the club right now, I bet even the players know Nuno won’t get us top 4. One of the hardest things for humans to do is accept the cards they have been dealt when they are not to one’s liking, so obviously we are all angry and frustrated and each week is like another nail in a coffin that will take many months to close. Even when we play well at the moment I feel we are just clutching at straws that this might be the turning point when deep down we all know the man in charge is just not good enough. Unfortunately the sooner we all come to terms with the fact Nuno will be here for the year most likely the sooner we can leave the anger and frustration behind. Because Levy doesn’t care and the stadium will always be near full regardless what we think. Banners, protests etc, won’t do anything.

It’s waisted energy imo and so much anger and vitriol can have nasty side effects when left unchecked. Too many times I have seen in here people attacking others because of their views which to me is crazy, how can someone’s feelings be wrong, everyone is entitled to feel the way they do about Spurs, you may disagree with it but when disagreement turns to name calling then that is just too much. I have posted a lot about my concerns with our club over the months and will probably continue to do so, but they are my concerns and as much as I would love Nuno out now, it won’t happen unfortunately so I’m not going to loose sleep over it.

 

[YB123]

Does a shot have to be on target before any situation is called a chance?

It helps...

 

[Deleted member 29446]

How in any way is this acceptable, he should be hounded out ASAP

bUt w3 aRE 6ThhhZ.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

we're in the same boat as United just waiting for it to get worse until finally the manager will be replaced

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Our game yesterday was crying out for width, as West Ham are a well drilled and disciplined defensive unit and trying to be intricate going through the middle was playing into their hands. There is a general concern to where our width is coming from or to be honest not coming from. Both fullbacks rarely get in behind opponent defenses.

 

[Jamturk]

Our game yesterday was crying out for width, as West Ham are a well drilled and disciplined defensive unit and trying to be intricate going through the middle was playing into their hands. There is a general concern to where our width is coming from or to be honest not coming from. Both fullbacks rarely get in behind opponent defenses.

He did bring on Gil high on the left when we were chasing.

 

[Albertbarich]

we're in the same boat as United just waiting for it to get worse until finally the manager will be replaced

I think united are in a strange situation.

I fully expect them to pick up form again ( this time last year we did them 6-1 remember) and probably finish top four which saves his job.

Of course that isn't really good enough but it will keep him and they will stay in this situation of being the nearly men whilst spending a fortune.

We on the other won't spend like that so really need a manager to come in and take the club by the throat and drag it in a different direction. I think we all know that isn't nuno but I'm not sure who else it is

 

[rossdapep]

We're better not changing managers at this very second.

That isn't optimism. I'm not claiming he's going to win things here. That's realism based on thinking more than 5 minutes into the future.

My reasons are this:

- There are no more managers available now than there were in the summer, with the exception of Steve Bruce and whatever cacker Watford dismissed
- We made ourselves look like rank amateurs with no interest in winning when we dismissed Jose - mere months ago
- Most decent managers will have been alarmed at how Jose was dismissed; almost all managers would be apprehensive about a club which dismisses two managers in the space of 15 Premier League fixtures
- We have already failed to secure Conte, Ten Hag, Rodgers and Pochettino in the last couple of months, they are no more likely to come now than they were in June
- When a new manager is top 6 after 9 games, dismissing them says you think that 6th place at this point is so far beyond the pale as to be irredeemable. Nobody on here thinks we should be higher than 6th, so you can guarantee no other manager does
- Ryan Mason as a caretaker manager is not an option

The reality is that Nuno is not a long term option here. He is, for all intents and purposes, a caretaker manager in all but name, who we got in when we'd finished pissing everyone else off. He will be gone at the end of the season in any case.

Replacing him with another caretaker manager at this point makes us look even more toxic, even more clueless, and even more of a kneejerk basket case than we already do. If that was even possible.

Exactly this!

It's all well and good asking for his removal but unfortunately the timing is appalling.

The club can't go and get Potter, Ten Hag or whoever because it's simply not feasible. The coaches won't want to leave so early into the season and the clubs will be demanding a hefty pay off. We will almost certainly be told where to go by both club and coach.

Coaches are wiser nowadays and don't just jump ship as soon as they get an offer. They know it can derail their career so wait until a good moment comes, ie, the summer or the end of a project.

So what's the point in getting Valverde or another interim coach? They likely won't be happy with a contract til the end of the season, and they will need about 2 months to understand the squad they have at their disposal.

Tuchel was able to come in and do a great job early on at Chelsea because their squad didn't really have any deep issues. It just needed a coach who knew what he was doing.

We unfortunately have roo many weak areas and a new coach would need to work his way around that.

Even when Redknapp came in that year, our form dipped after the honeymoon period because he had loads of gaps in the squad.

Same thing would happen again. So what's the point in changing right now.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Not a big Levy fan at the moment, but comparing us to Chelsea is just going to serve to wind yourself up. They are a billionaires plaything with no care about cash spent.

We are run as a business. But that doesn’t mean Levy doesn’t have options. For me our strategy has got to be about investing in slightly longer term projects, both in terms of player and manager.

The fact is that at the moment that from a player perspective there are some green shoots of trying to invest in young talent again. Nuno on the other hand is just poor strategy - he’s just a bad fit even as a project.

We would have been much better investing the time in someone like Potter or Parker. Someone with the right philosophy who may, in time, become the real thing. Exactly like Poch was.

Agree with this. We can’t compare ourselves with Chelsea they’ve a fantasy football plastic club and can just pick and choose virtually any player or manager, whereas we need to be ‘cuter’ and ‘clever’ to build a project where we get 110% out of the players we have and system we put in place.

It is however frustrating when you compare the calibre of managers that they’ve hired over the years compared to us: (just look at the names below!)
Mourinho, Scolari, Hiddink, Anchelotti, Benetiz, Sarri, Conte, Tuchel.

8 world class top top managers.

In comparison we hired the likes of Santini, AVB(didn’t learn from Chelsea’s mistake with him!), Redknapp (did a great job but hardly world class in the calibre of the others mentioned), Poch (great appointment as he fitted our DNA and build a project), Jose (when he was past his peak and on the way down, should’ve hired him 10 years before this and now Nuno another mid table manager who doesn’t fit our DNA or look like getting 110% out of our squad.

It’s night and day.

But sure comparing is pointless given their resources but that having said after Poch left we had just reached CL final, had a good squad and have best infrastructure in Europe so we could’ve gone and got a top top world class manager in a la Nagglesman, Conte, Ten Haag, Tuchel but we go for Jose who WAS a top class manager but at that point was very much on his way down and leaving a trail of distraction in his wake at his two previous clubs so it’s just poor decision making again and again.

One of the appointments I actually liked was Ramos as he was doing a brilliant job with Sevilla at the time and winning trophies and playing good football however he couldn’t speak a word of English and we got Poyet as his assistant who had a completely different idea of how he wanted the team to play so that didn’t work out but other than Ramos and Poch we’ve never gone out and hired a top top manager in their prime or a very talented up and coming one.

 

[yankspurs]

Hahaah this idiot’s still here?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Just to add some context, the guy narrating thinks the reason we aren’t creating anything is because Dele isn’t in the team.

that’s Nathan “I’m a self-taught tactical expert” Clark to you.

 

[stonebrow]

Has there been any reliable sources reporting that his job is at genuine risk?