Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[fishhhandaricecake]

Protests won't matter mate. Levy responds to media pressure more than he ever will a few banners.

Hopefully he’s read todays Telegraph article slaying him then.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Expect DL is counting the cost , 3 months to go on Conte's contract , will termination include all his backroom staff and at what cost ?

 

[H-SF]

I can see the appeal of breaking the cycle and backing the guy. I can.

But by god we are boring to watch.

We shouldn’t just ’break the cycle’ just for the sake of bucking the trend. We will never compete at the very top of the EPL with Conte as our manager. His tactical approach is not competitive with that of Arteta, Guardiola, De Zerbi etc… It would genuinely be a massive waste of time to persist with him. Arteta was given time because the product on the pitch warranted it, they improved every year and there were signs of a really impressive style/model being implemented. On the other hand we have regressed on the eye and statistically. Not to mention Conte’s handling of the squad has been very bad and his talent ID (with Paratici) is not particularly impressive. Trusting the process is only applicable when there is an actual visible and tangible evolution occurring on the pitch which is worth believing in. There is not in our case and keeping Conte next season would be a mistake.

 

[Metalhead]

We shouldn’t just ’break the cycle’ just for the sake of bucking the trend. We will never compete at the very top of the EPL with Conte as our manager. His tactical approach is not competitive with that of Arteta, Guardiola, De Zerbi etc… It would genuinely be a massive waste of time to persist with him. Arteta was given time because the product on the pitch warranted it, they improved every year and there were signs of a really impressive style/model being implemented. On the other hand we have regressed on the eye and statistically. Not to mention Conte’s handling of the squad has been very bad and his talent ID (with Paratici) is not particularly impressive. Trusting the process is only applicable when there is an actual visible and tangible evolution occurring on the pitch which is worth believing in. There is not in our case and keeping Conte next season would be a mistake.

What can we do? We're at the mercy of whatever decision Daniel Levy makes.

 

[mil1lion]

Sure he has, then again Liverpool have more resources than us, but it was about beating the odds. Getting into CL final 4 times with Dortmund/Pool is such for example. Conte not winning a single CL knockout game for a decade managing Juventus, Inter, Chelsea and us is the opposite.



It is easier to back a manager whose progress and ideas show on the pitch than one who comes out clueless week in, week out.


We are in top 10 in terms of turnover, I don't bother to post the link the third time around, but it goes deeper into our financial situation at the moment.

Top 10 in terms of takeover etc etc, fact is we can afford to be more ambitious than we are, we simply don't have the ambition. It's like Conte said, 20 years under this owner and it's the same story. Too many players on big wages coasting because they don't want the pressure that expectation requires. Conte has more league titles than Klopp so I have no idea why so much attention to the Champions League. Actually I do know, you hate Conte and don't credit anything good he does and have no balance to your opinions.

 

[H-SF]

It's a sad state of affairs but I actually disagree with this mate.

Think Marc Guehi, Joachim Anderson and Tyrick Mitchell all start for us.

Tyrick Mitchell is a good defender but he wouldn't. He's like Wan Bissaka, brilliant 1v1 defensively but limited technically and offers little going forward. He'd be a bad LWB.

 

[mil1lion]

We shouldn’t just ’break the cycle’ just for the sake of bucking the trend. We will never compete at the very top of the EPL with Conte as our manager. His tactical approach is not competitive with that of Arteta, Guardiola, De Zerbi etc… It would genuinely be a massive waste of time to persist with him. Arteta was given time because the product on the pitch warranted it, they improved every year and there were signs of a really impressive style/model being implemented. On the other hand we have regressed on the eye and statistically. Not to mention Conte’s handling of the squad has been very bad and his talent ID (with Paratici) is not particularly impressive. Trusting the process is only applicable when there is an actual visible and tangible evolution occurring on the pitch which is worth believing in. There is not in our case and keeping Conte next season would be a mistake.

We need Conte gone but we need Levy gone too because this is the last throw of the dice for him.
He talked about the clubs DNA and got 3 managers the opposite of what that is. Unless he's dyslexic and meant NDA not DNA.
New owner with new director who have a vision and a manager who fits that vision.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think I'm just fed up of 'if he gets his players' managers

I know it's too simplistic to just say 'do some coaching...improve what you have available' but that has to be part of what a manager does surely?

And that's quite aside from the fact he has actually bought in quite a few players anyway.

Bang on !

Compare to Poch right… day 1 he turns Eric Dier from a CB to a makeshift RB who scores on his debut and then to a CDM because we don’t have an adequate one in our squad.

Poch was also the fullback whisperer, Walker and Rose used to get pelters from our fans before Poch got hold of them.

He turned £5mil 19yr old box to box CM dele alli into one of the best late 3rd man running CAM’s and into one of the best English midfielders at the time.

He improved Trippier and Davies, he adjusted Dembeles position who became a beast for us.

He gave Mason, Bentaleb, Winks, Kane the platform and belief to thrive playing in a young high energy style.

He made Eriksen our creative hub and turned Sonny into a world beater.

The best example… Moussa Sissoko! He asked for Winjaldum, he instead got Sissoko. He turns Sissoko into our player of the season.


It was never oh wait until Poch has his players (8-10x £30-50m* players)

That is coaching and motivating and improving players.

I’ve seen NONE of that from Conte.

 

[MichaelPawson]

While I was annoyed at Conte's lack of personal responsibility in his meltdown over the weekend, I also understand the perspective of those of you on here who see our current problems as primarily the fault of ownership. In fact, I agree to a certain extent- Conte is by no means the biggest villain in this story, and the club has structural issues that no "serial winner" is likely to ever solve. That press conference was a bad look for him, but not a fireable offense IMO.

However- pretending like those comments weren't also directed at the board a few days after the fact is, quite frankly, pathetic and cowardly on his part. If you want to talk shit, stand by it, and don't run off to the nearest sympathetic journalist you can find to take those words back once you realized you put your paycheck at risk. If I was a player on the team, I would see no reason to listen to Conte's home truths regarding attitudes and courage- he's proving he's as much of a bottler as they are.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

While I was annoyed at Conte's lack of personal responsibility in his meltdown over the weekend, I also understand the perspective of those of you on here who see our current problems as primarily the fault of ownership. In fact, I agree to a certain extent- Conte is by no means the biggest villain in this story, and the club has structural issues that no "serial winner" is likely to ever solve. That press conference was a bad look for him, but not a fireable offense IMO.

However- pretending like those comments weren't also directed at the board a few days after the fact is, quite frankly, pathetic and cowardly on his part. If you want to talk shit, stand by it, and don't run off to the nearest sympathetic journalist you can find to take those words back once you realized you put your paycheck at risk. If I was a player on the team, I would see no reason to listen to Conte's home truths regarding attitudes and courage- he's proving he's as much of a bottler as they are.

Or it’s very clever from him as Daniel gullible Levy would probably buy it tbh. But the fans and players aren’t stupid/oblivious to the reality.

 

[Beni]

I’m sorry, majority backing the players over Conte and expecting Conte to get more out of them etc will be the same fans reeling off 40-45% of our squad on their sell wish lists true FM style when the transfer forum opens up in couple of months.

When/If we get Poch back or more of an attacking manager the majority want, in 12-18 months they will then be using the players+Levy as the excuse as to why it’s then failing for that manager.

Problem is lots lots more deeper than Conte. Break the cycle and change our approach and you possibly may see an upturn in what Conte is capable of at Tottenham, and it not be as doom and gloom and as boring as it has been this season.

Back the manager, get rid of the players that have been here years too long, on the decline etc with the view of potentially taking a financial hit (if needs be) in order to refresh the squad with who the manager wants, with much needed improvements particularly at centre back, and you may get a fresher looking team all hungry playing for him and excited for the challenge playing for Tottenham, instead of lots of players that are stale and just going through the motions here picking up their salary.

 

[RuskyM]

So half of our outfield players that started the game

Aye we should’ve sold Kane and Son years ago.

 

[anydange]

Bang on !

Compare to Poch right, day 1 he turns Eric Dier from a CB to a makeshift RB who scores on his debut and then to a CDM because we don’t have an adequate one in our squad.

Poch was also the fullback whisperer, Walker and Rose used to get pelters from our fans before Poch got hold of them.

He turned £5mil 19yr old box to box CM dele alli into one of the best late 3rd man running CAM’s and into one of the best English midfielders at the time.

He improved Trippier and Davies, he adjusted Dembeles position who became a beast for us.

He gave Mason, Bentaleb, Winks, Kane the platform and belief to thrive playing in a young high energy style.

He made Eriksen our creative hub and turned Sonny into a world beater.

The best example… Moussa Sissoko! He asked for Winjaldum, he instead got Sissoko. He turns Sissoko into our player of the season.


It was never oh wait until Poch has his players (8-10x £30-50m* players)

That is coaching and motivating and improving players.

I’ve seen NONE of that from Conte.

It was never oh wait until Poch has his players (8-10x £30-50m* players)

Great post!

 

[TropicalYid]

We need Conte gone but we need Levy gone too because this is the last throw of the dice for him.
He talked about the clubs DNA and got 3 managers the opposite of what that is. Unless he's dyslexic and meant NDA not DNA.
New owner with new director who have a vision and a manager who fits that vision.

Well I dont know Levy, but I too thought that getting "serial winner" Jose would get us some silverware. And I thought the same with Conte. Think most of us, probably also including Levy thought that these men could give us some silverware fast.

 

[FinnYid]

Top 10 in terms of takeover etc etc, fact is we can afford to be more ambitious than we are, we simply don't have the ambition.

Turnover, we were 5th in PL in terms of turnover last season and we have 5th highest wage bill this season. We operate on limited resources, just like Arsenal. Trick is to back the right horse, not the wrong horse. Conte is as wrong horse as we can find and every penny we threw at him is off the right horse should we find him.

Conte has more league titles than Klopp so I have no idea why so much attention to the Champions League

It was about beating the odds, Kloppo did it by taking Pool to the league title too as he did with Dortmund overtaking Bayern twice on the trot. Or taking Mainz to Europe.

Too many players on big wages coasting because they don't want the pressure that expectation requires

I honestly don't even know what that means, players feel the pressure and expectations. And they are able to handle it. They have shitloads of trophies on various competitions (36 trophies on top 5 leagues or those cups or international tournaments) to show that. What they can't handle is shit leadership and bad management, it affects their performances. Just like it does on any given business.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

We need Conte gone but we need Levy gone too because this is the last throw of the dice for him.
He talked about the clubs DNA and got 3 managers the opposite of what that is. Unless he's dyslexic and meant NDA not DNA.
New owner with new director who have a vision and a manager who fits that vision.

Levy can sack Conte but who is going to get rid of Levy. As far as I can see according to Wiki, ENIC paid a total of £45 million for control of the club , Spurs are now worth something in the region of £3 billion and that is with winning just one trophy under ENIC ownership. If the stadium was half empty every home game maybe they would think of cashing in but it's not.

 

[yido_number1]

Some of them aren't, and it's easy to adopt a culture the more time you are around it.

Exactly, in the same way the winners at Chelsea have kept the winning mentality over the years we've kept the losing mentality.

 

[RuskyM]

Exactly, in the same way the winners at Chelsea have kept the winning mentality over the years we've kept the losing mentality.

Okay but there was at least one person back in 2018 who didn’t agree Chelsea had winning mentality.

"I have great ambition but I don't have money for Chelsea. The club knows very well what is my idea, what is my ambition. That is very clear. When you decide to work with this type of coach, you must understand that you take a coach with great ambition. Not a loser but a winner. And that ambition must always be shared."

 

[mil1lion]

Turnover, we were 5th in PL in terms of turnover last season and we have 5th highest wage bill this season. We operate on limited resources, just like Arsenal. Trick is to back the right horse, not the wrong horse. Conte is as wrong horse as we can find and every penny we threw at him is off the right horse should we find him.



It was about beating the odds, Kloppo did it by taking Pool to the league title too as he did with Dortmund overtaking Bayern twice on the trot. Or taking Mainz to Europe.



I honestly don't even know what that means, players feel the pressure and expectations. And they are able to handle it. They have shitloads of trophies on various competitions (36 trophies on top 5 leagues or those cups or international tournaments) to show that. What they can't handle is shit leadership and bad management, it affects their performances. Just like it does on any given business.

No the trick is to back the right horse with the right players. That's what succeeded with Poch. We had great players with a great man manager. It was never one without the other. It fell apart as the squad got worse. It's a package deal. A great manager might overachieve with a good team but only for so long. The players have won elsewhere but so has Conte. Yet again you ignore anything Conte does well because of your agenda. You say the players are good because they've won titles yet Conte is shit but he's also won titles. How the hell does that work? The team is still incomplete even if another manager comes in. You're only as good as your weakest link and we still haven't addressed ours. So what if 'some' of those players won things elsewhere, they're comfortable here challenging for top 4 and nothing more. Show me the desire and hunger they've shown for Spurs under Conte, Jose, Nuno, Poch at the end.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Aye we should’ve sold Kane and Son years ago.

That’s what I said wasn’t it.