Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Black]

A discussion is one thing, but when someone is clearly being childish and trying to derail the thread with troll comments it’s the furthest thing from it.

You seem to be one of those types, the internet bully who wets himself in person. So let’s rather leave this where it is now.

Internet bully? Wets him self in person? You make these comments then run and hide, people like you need to strengthen your mind. Society has made people weak and always want to be offended always need to be upset about something.
you think I can come on the internet and bully people? or even let people bully me? Come on, that's all in your mind. it does make me think is there something in the water that is making people so soft

 

[djhotspur]

I think only people in frame (that aren’t at other clubs) would be Tuchel, Poch, Benitez, Zidane, Bielsa and Hassenhutl.
Of those 2 obviously stand out, but one would be accepted by majority.
I think he will be managed out now, Stellini or Mason seeing it out for season, unless Poch says we wants to come in now rather than the summer

Tuchel will require the same backing as Conte. If we give Tuchel 2 top draw CBs and a GK I would love Tuchel.

He does fall out with his players, but I think he's tactically elite.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Spot on. Poch was a terrible talent identifier but a brilliant, brilliant coach. Sarr and Spence would’ve excelled under Poch this season.

Poch, allied with financial backing and a good recruitment team, would be a huge success. I’m sure of it.

Not trying to defend him, but doesn't that applicable to Conte as well? Yet that's what not happening and the blame is put squarely on the manager.

 

[Black]

Tuchel will require the same backing as Conte. If we give Tuchel 2 top draw CBs and a GK I would love Tuchel.

He does fall out with his players, but I think he's tactically elite.

I think he could actually get us playing better football with the current players we have.

 

[Spurzinho]

Tuchel has a nasty habit of falling out...with everyone. I'm also not convinced that his style of football would be much of an upgrade on Conte and goodness knows that's what I need going forward. I don't want to sit down to watch us feeling like I'm going for a root canal.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Not trying to defend him, but doesn't that applicable to Conte as well? Yet that's what not happening and the blame is put squarely on the manager.

I think the level of financial backing Conte and Poch require are vastly different. Conte seemingly wants ready-now, experienced players. Which is another way of saying he wants players he doesn’t need to put the hard graft into coaching.

Poch would want/need players with very evident potential that need proper coaching and guidance to help them reach their potential. We failed Poch in that regard too many times during his time here, E.g. lowballing Villa for Grealish. Someone like Alex Scott would thrive under Poch, imo.

 

[spursfan77]

Wouldn't be shocked one bit if he didn't come back

Wish him a speedy recovery but he clearly isnt well and really needs some rest, he isnt going to get it at this shit show

He'll be back, he just returned too early because he is an absolute nutter and workaholic.

 

[Trix]

But that's it you just ignore it and keep it moving. When you see homeless people on the street do you blur them out so you don't see them to make your self feel better ?

This is the issue we currently have in the world people would rather run to their safe space than have a discussion, people need to strengthen their mindset.

@Trix do you want Poch back?

It's nothing to do with wanting to go to a safe space, and everything to do with not tolerating, WUM's, Trolls and repetitive idiots. If I was in the pub and some irritating knobber kept saying the same bollocks over and over I'd not engage them and cut them off, so why wouldn't I do the same on the net?

As I've already posted if their was a solid plan in place of how to properly move forward with some actual long term thinking involved I would be for any good coach regardless of who that was.

 

[Trotter]

I think he could actually get us playing better football with the current players we have.

I think 90% of people in football could get us playing better football with the players we have. That isn’t setting the bar high

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Internet bully? Wets him self in person? You make these comments then run and hide, people like you need to strengthen your mind. Society has made people weak and always want to be offended always need to be upset about something.
you think I can come on the internet and bully people? or even let people bully me? Come on, that's all in your mind. it does make me think is there something in the water that is making people so soft

Enjoy your day bud

 

[jimbo]

Calling out nonsense like “Conte loves the club” is not “troll comments.”

In his own words:

"I'm really proud of my players because I said to them I know that before having good players, I have really good persons."

"I said to them just now that I’m proud to be the coach of this team because, first of all, we have top men and really good players.”

Doesn't fit the narrative so no doubt will be dismissed.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

In his own words:

"I'm really proud of my players because I said to them I know that before having good players, I have really good persons."

"I said to them just now that I’m proud to be the coach of this team because, first of all, we have top men and really good players.”

Doesn't fit the narrative so no doubt will be dismissed.

In fairness, Conte said we have a world class stadium and training facility.

But the majority of his reign has seen him criticise the players after nearly every defeat, criticise the board (rightfully) despite them backing him more than any other manager in recent history, and even criticise the fans.

Calls for fans to be patient after every defeat and begs for stability when he is the one causing the biggest instability within the team. Refuses to discuss his future beyond this season then goes off on a love story about returning to Italy in the near future.

Yes, sounds like he adores the club.

 

[Black]

It's nothing to do with wanting to go to a safe space, and everything to do with not tolerating, WUM's, Trolls and repetitive idiots. If I was in the pub and some irritating bloke knobber kept saying the same bollocks over and over I'd not engage them and cut them off, so why wouldn't I do the same on the net?

But that's different, you can hear that person, on the internet you just scroll past and keep it moving you just dont engage. No one has the ability to make you angry especially on the Internet its all in your mind you choose to get upset . Real life and the internet are two completely different things

how to properly move forward with some actual long term thinking involved I would be for any good coach regardless of who that was.

Who is your preferred coach? Or would you stick with Conte?

 

[rossdapep]

He's going to end up the same way as his mates if he's pushing things when he's not fit to do so. I've been behind Conte throughout this and the ideal scenario for me was to back a manager that was always going to require that level of financial support. It's been yet another joke appointment by the board completely missing many over riding factors that would need to go hand in hand with hiring Conte.

When he was brought in everything coming from the club was that he was going to be backed, levy was going to take a back seat and FP was going to have control over who came in and out with Conte's blessing obviously. The first January window was a good one bringing in Bentancur and Kulusevski and things looked to be right on track. Then came the Summer and Djed Spence. Levy saw £££ signs and had to have him despite Conte not being overly interested at all. We did OK in that Summer window addressed a couple of issues but never managed to get the CB, that Conte wanted. Levy made a huge deal of telling us they were going to pump £150mil into the transfer fund, that quietly dwindled down to £100mil and we still didn't have that CB we needed.

I maintain my position that regardless of who we bring in it will all fall apart sooner rather than later because Levy is Levy. I am now of the opinion that he needs to go for his own sake more than ours because he'll end up in a hole next to Vialli and Ventrone if he carries on with us. Lets just hope we've actually got some sort of coherent plan to move forward, but I sincerely doubt it. I expect it to be Poch, but as I say it could be anyone because I doubt he'll get what he needs in the long term.

Yep, totally agree.

Thats how it looks from the outside too.

A complete waste of everyone's time. Still Levy got that CL money.

Obviously whats going on personally for Conte is completely unavoidable but what has been avoidable is the lack of defensive reinforcements which is a crucial aspect for any coach building HIS squad.

Conte got Luiz, Kante and Alonso immediately at Chelsea, for example. Defensive core and attack minded left wing back in.

Pep had 2 stabs at it with City, first Bravo, Stones. Then realised that those at the club couldn't adapt to his demands and Bravo wasnt up to it. So spent over 200m on Walker, Ederson, Danilo, Mendy and Laporte to really fix it.

Which they did.

United have spent on Ten Hag's number 1 CB pick, A LB and one of the best def mids in Casemiro. Transformed them.

Arteta spent nearly 200m on Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel and Partey over 18 months.

Footballing people will understand that to become a strong, stable team you need to reinforce the core and strengthen the backline.

Since Toby and Jan wilted, we have only brought in Romero (and Rodon) to bolster this area.

Conte has not had that benefit of bolstering or switching up the backline. He hasnt had a significant outlay here and the only defensive player he got was a loan and a young RWB.

Imagine if any of those aforementioned coaches didnt get those defensive reinforcements?

It's not like its a new problem either. You may have told us, and it was certainly out there, that Conte wanted 2 CBs and a WB for each side last summer.

We got a loan CB, a LWB (Conte's pick) and a young RWB.

Hardly bolstering is it?

Conte is to blame for tactics and selections lately, but then he's not well so who would be at their best?

But Levy and co have absolutely failed once again by not acknowledging and then doing everything they can to rectify the squad's shortcomings.

It is all so absurd.

Hire 'winning coach' because you want to get over the line.

When winning coach says "I need this and this to do that" shit yourself and pull the brakes on.

Too scared to win.

To Dare Is To Do

Daniel Levy is the antipathy of that motto

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I do feel we have a lot of players that Poch could work with and improve - Bissouma, Reggy, Spence, springing immediately to mind with Udogwie arriving during summer.

Only concern I have is Will Kane stay if Conte goes? We do have Richarlison now, but would be preferable to have Kane as well.

Yep I don't think Poch would need tons of new players to make his style work tbh but we'd almost certainly need to get him:
New GK
CB x1 or 2
LB if Udogie or Sess aren't up to it and/or if he doesn't want to recall Reggie (Although I think in the 4-2-3-1 advanced FB's Udogie and Reggie could both work pretty well)
CAM - Maddison etc (as we completely lack the linking player which we had in Eriksen)
AM - Sign Danjuma permanently or a different one, basically so we have 8 options across 3x AM and 1x ST spot.

So 5 new players and he could be good to go really. A CM would be needed if Bissouma and/or Bentancur's injuries are going to keep them out for a large part of the start of next season, could possibly recall Lo Celso however as I think given a chance and with some fitness he could be good under Poch as we never got to see if he'd work under Pochball or not.

If Kane is going that is a whole different story/ballgame but ofc we'd need to replace him, however as a hard working forward in a 4-2-3-1 Richarlison showed for Brazil that there aren't actually many better in the world at that role than him.

 

[jimbo]

But the majority of his reign has seen him criticise the players after nearly every defeat, criticise the board (rightfully) despite them backing him more than any other manager in recent history, and even criticise the fans.

"I'm really proud of my players because I said to them I know that before having good players, I have really good persons."

"I said to them just now that I’m proud to be the coach of this team because, first of all, we have top men and really good players.”

 

[Black]

Enjoy your day bud

I will, just got back from my morning swim about to do my yoga session, meditate and wim hoff. I'm good.

The day I let the internet effect how I feel is the day I need to look at my self .

 

[tommo84]

Not trying to defend him, but doesn't that applicable to Conte as well? Yet that's what not happening and the blame is put squarely on the manager.

The difference for many of us - I think - is that it’s looking almost certain that Conte won’t be here next season come what may. If Conte returned from his recovery period and signed a new contract it would affect my view on whether or not he should be given that time and backing. But for as long as it appears he’s off in June anyway, we need to be looking for his successor.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Am I missing something here? Conte rushed back one week after surgery when he should have rested for two or three weeks at least. His Doctors have now thrown the book at him and he's reluctantly agreed to actually listen to the medical advice. But surely there is nothing here to suggest that he won't be back in a matter of weeks and bang up for the rest of the season?

Huh, who or where has it said that Conte has rushed back too soon and has to go and rest again.
By all accounts he was signed off to come back but he's been taking it easy compared to normal with regards to shouting and movements etc but he said from next match onwards he should be able to be more himself, unless I've missed something.

 

[Phil_2.0]

They are taking over until Conte is back. I haven't seen anything to say Conte is gone for the rest of the season (might have missed it)

So his 2 coaches take over and continue his work

We don't know how long he will be away with his illness and it is not like the club is firing on all cylinders with this current coaching staff.

If we lose at the weekend Spurs will be forced into a change, crucial part of the season and too much at stake.

If anyone thinks we can drift until the end of season they are mistaken.