Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Trix]

Levy's getting a lot of flak right now, but he is a Spurs fan just like the rest of us, and can anybody here say hand on heart that they wouldn't want a bit of input if they were in his shoes? Just a little bit?

There is no defending him any more mate, what he's done as far as the infrastructure is concerned is brilliant ,but that has been and gone now. I have spent the best part of 2 decades defending him, but he's run out of rope now for me.

 

[Nine while nine]

Levy's getting a lot of flak right now, but he is a Spurs fan just like the rest of us, and can anybody here say hand on heart that they wouldn't want a bit of input if they were in his shoes? Just a little bit?

I would, but, that noted, I'd also recognise that there's no point in hiring a dog and then barking yourself.

The only thing I'd want if I were in Levy's shoes is bigger shoes.

 

[wadewill]

Levy's getting a lot of flak right now, but he is a Spurs fan just like the rest of us, and can anybody here say hand on heart that they wouldn't want a bit of input if they were in his shoes? Just a little bit?

No, not if I didn’t have a fucking clue what I’m talking about

Which I don’t, it’s why I’m on here

 

[wadewill]

I

There is no defending him any more mate, what he's done as far as the infrastructure is concerned is brilliant ,but that has been and gone now. I have spent the best part of 2 decades defending him, but he's run out of rope now for me

Is it that bad

And I was waiting for the WC to finish… maybe I’ll stop wishing that away

 

[archiewasking]

Levy's getting a lot of flak right now, but he is a Spurs fan just like the rest of us, and can anybody here say hand on heart that they wouldn't want a bit of input if they were in his shoes? Just a little bit?

There's wanting input and there's having the sense to let others who know more about a particular aspect of a business run it.

 

[TOLBINY]

Whilst I believe Levy's position is too strong, I also feel the best time for serious, sustained fan protests against him are now - before the horse has bolted (Conte gone) it may just convince Levy to back the bloke rather than flirt with Poch.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

There is no defending him any more mate, what he's done as far as the infrastructure is concerned is brilliant ,but that has been and gone now. I have spent the best part of 2 decades defending him, but he's run out of rope now for me.

Just so disappointing that with everything seemingly in place, we’re stuck with a giant pebble in our shoe in the form of Levy

it’s the hope that kills you

 

[Gb160]

Levy to SC:

 

[HildoSpur]

i'm all for Poch returning, all of you saying otherwise are delusional.

BUT only after Conte is fully backed and given a proper chance to make this team his own

Nobody is being delusional - if you had actually read what people were saying it's the prospect of Poch coming in now or at the end of this season that people are expressing concern about. Everybody as far as I can see want Conte backed properly and given time to build his own team. I'm sure everybody would welcome Poch back with open arms but only after the Conte project has had it's time.

 

[dontcallme]

Nobody is being delusional - if you had actually read what people were saying it's the prospect of Poch coming in now or at the end of this season that people are expressing concern about. Everybody as far as I can see want Conte backed properly and given time to build his own team. I'm sure everybody would welcome Poch back with open arms but only after the Conte project has had it's time.

There has always been a split between people wanting Poch back or not.

He’d be welcomed back, but not everyone would think it’s the right appointment.

 

[thebenjamin]

Poch coming back and trying to play a high pressing game with 29 yo Kane and 30 year old Son is definitely a great idea and will turn out exactly as successfully as when PSG employed him to do the same thing with Messi and Neymar.

 

[Trix]

I

Is it that bad

And I was waiting for the WC to finish… maybe I’ll stop wishing that away

It is and it isn't. It's not like it's at breaking point, but it is certainly going to hold us back. Someone has to be responsible(wholey responsible) for who comes in and out of a football club, and there are two ways of doing this. Either the manager makes those decisions and the DOF/Chairman or whoever do whatever they can to get those players. Or the DOF/Chairman etc get the players and you employ a coach who works to that structure and moulds what he gets into a team. When you hire a rigid manager that needs specific types you have to let him decide the players, especially when that manager has proved time and again that his way brings proven success.

The problem we have right now is that we have a manager who needs specific player types, a chairman who has one eye on a bargain regardless of how they'll fit, and a DOF who is very good at getting players but has different ideas of what the team needs than both the manager and the Chairman but will still do his best to get the players the manager wants but sometimes through gritted teeth. Levy basically favours the buy 5 for £15mil each and as long as one is a massive hit it pays for the rest. Conte on the other hand doesn't want to wait 3 years to find out which one of those is the superstar and would rather get them once they've proved they are the standard required but that obviously costs more. Don't get me wrong though, it's not like Conte won't compromise but he's only willing to compromise on who that player is, not on the qualities that player has.

The biggest problem for me is that we will never reach where Levy wants us to be if he keeps interfering. Be that with Conte, Paratici or whomever else follows them, because they need control of what they are doing and as long as they are being questioned at every turn and micromanaged on every decision It will only ever end up with mediocrity.

 

[Trix]

i'm all for Poch returning, all of you saying otherwise are delusional.

BUT only after Conte is fully backed and given a proper chance to make this team his own

Doesn't matter who the manager is, if they don't get what they need it will make no difference at all to the final outcome. If Conte can't get what he ultimately needs to succeed here then no manager will especially "football friend" Pochettino.

 

[dudu]

It is and it isn't. It's not like it's at breaking point, but it is certainly going to hold us back. Someone has to be responsible(wholey responsible) for who comes in and out of a football club, and there are two ways of doing this. Either the manager makes those decisions and the DOF/Chairman or whoever do whatever they can to get those players. Or the DOF/Chairman etc get the players and you employ a coach who works to that structure and moulds what he gets into a team. When you hire a rigid manager that needs specific types you have to let him decide the players, especially when that manager has proved time and again that his way brings proven success.

The problem we have right now is that we have a manager who needs specific player types, a chairman who has one eye on a bargain regardless of how they'll fit, and a DOF who is very good at getting players but has different ideas of what the team needs than both the manager and the Chairman but will still do his best to get the players the manager wants but sometimes through gritted teeth. Levy basically favours the buy 5 for £15mil each and as long as one is a massive hit it pays for the rest. Conte on the other hand doesn't want to wait 3 years to find out which one of those is the superstar and would rather get them once they've proved they are the standard required but that obviously costs more. Don't get me wrong though, it's not like Conte won't compromise but he's only willing to compromise on who that player is, not on the qualities that player has.

The biggest problem for me is that we will never reach where Levy wants us to be if he keeps interfering. Be that with Conte, Paratici or whomever else follows them, because they need control of what they are doing and as long as they are being questioned at every turn and micromanaged on every decision It will only ever end up with mediocrity.

Thanks for info Trix.

It's not like we haven't splashed some decent fees on players the last few windows though - Romero, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Richalison... It seems like, from the very outside looking in, we are prepared to both looks for bargains and spend a decent fee for some.

I just wonder how much the Lo Celso and Ndombele transfers have spooked the board - Big fees for what essentially were big risks that did not pay off either on the pitch or financially.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Doesn't matter who the manager is, if they don't get what they need it will make no difference at all to the final outcome. If Conte can't get what he ultimately needs to succeed here then no manager will especially "football friend" Pochettino.

If we don't give Conte a proper go - especially when combined with having a generational talent up front - then I'm not really sure what the point of our football club is. Everything about the club says we want to compete and be a big team except the board.

Worryingly it sounds like this will be the case.

I'm sure Levy is a Spurs fan but I think it's pretty clear that comes a distant second to the investment in the club and cashing out on it with as little outlay as possible.

I wonder if two factors have lead to this change in atmosphere:

1. Bigger clubs openly up for sale in Utd and Liverpool, making ENICs exit unlikely.

2. Whatever is going on with Paratici in respect of his part in the Juventus fiasco.

 

[yido_number1]

He would be an absolute mug to get rid 9f Conte. I love Poch but it's obvious it would be a downgrade to bring him back right now.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Nobody is being delusional - if you had actually read what people were saying it's the prospect of Poch coming in now or at the end of this season that people are expressing concern about. Everybody as far as I can see want Conte backed properly and given time to build his own team. I'm sure everybody would welcome Poch back with open arms but only after the Conte project has had it's time.

you literally re-worded my post?

 

[phieffect]

Finally some drama again

Things have been too quiet for a while

Now we have Levy destroying everything, Fabio's going to jail, Conte will probably two-foot Spence in training and Kane will be kidnapped by Bayern on the way back from Qatar

 

[allatsea]

I’m not just blaming Conte, you’ve interpreted that yourself. I hope he doesn’t go, but you can’t deny that a potential positive of a different manager would hopefully be more opportunities for youth players.

Remember though the old football saying "you never win anything with youngsters".

 

[HildoSpur]

you literally re-worded my post?

Yes because you were calling people delusional for saying things they didnt actually say?